[quote]XiaoNio wrote:
Also, regarding guys being great and then suddenly falling off…
Chuck was on a 6 fight win streak until he lost to Rampage for a 2nd time. A lot of fighters do fairly well then have a precipitous drop in performance. Pulver, Jardine, Sokoudjou, Wanderlei, Crocop, etc.
I think it’s too early to tell with Penn, but it’s certainly not impossible.[/quote]
when he said he liked fighting at welterweight cause he could eat whatever he wanted, he wasnt lying. he just cant be pushed by the guys here in hawaii like he was when his camp was in california, if he would bite the bullet and head up to AKA or jackson’s or coutures…or just anyone who would make him do the necessary roadwork and give him solid gameplans, it would go a long way to revatalizing his career (imo.) he still has the solid skillsets that make him such an enigma, but damn it would help if he had the right people around him…and im not sure if this is the same guy who was motivated to win the title back in the day. same attitude, willing to fight anyone anywhere whether or not he’s in shape, but i think he’s got other things on his plate that take his attention.[/quote]
Uh huh
i should also say that i think bj winns this fight more often than not, but the lines have moved in bjs favor so much that i like the underdog bet, not strictly betting hughes cause i think he’s gonna win, i just think the lines make it a good bet
Holy shit. Good fights all night. Props to Page for recognising a close fight. I thought it was a draw or a 29-28 for Page, but a lot of my friends thought otherwise. Either way, Lyoto looked off for the first two, and Page had a good gameplan: stalk, cut off the cage and clinch. Good job. Once Lyoto smelled blood he put on a ground clinic, lol, just not enough for a 10-8, at least for most judges.
GSot looked like he got caught off guard by Lauzon’s pace. He’s been the more active guy for all his fights before this one. Once Joe slowed down, gassed we should say, the technical gap on the ground and in their wrestling came out. As a guy goes for a lot of the things George does, and tries to emulate his top game, it seemed like he was a little frustrated that his game wasn’t as sharp. Even then, again, awesome submission from a legit BJJ BB (yay for high paced BJJ).
BJ got his fire back alright. I wonder if it really was motivation that made him lose the Edgar fights. Time for the UFC to feed the fire.
Fuck that guy Gerald Harris fought. Fuck if I can remember his name. Let’s hope he’s not good enough to rise through the ranks.
[quote]rundymc wrote:
Holy shit. Good fights all night. Props to Page for recognising a close fight. I thought it was a draw or a 29-28 for Page, but a lot of my friends thought otherwise. Either way, Lyoto looked off for the first two, and Page had a good gameplan: stalk, cut off the cage and clinch. Good job. Once Lyoto smelled blood he put on a ground clinic, lol, just not enough for a 10-8, at least for most judges.
GSot looked like he got caught off guard by Lauzon’s pace. He’s been the more active guy for all his fights before this one. Once Joe slowed down, gassed we should say, the technical gap on the ground and in their wrestling came out. As a guy goes for a lot of the things George does, and tries to emulate his top game, it seemed like he was a little frustrated that his game wasn’t as sharp. Even then, again, awesome submission from a legit BJJ BB (yay for high paced BJJ).
BJ got his fire back alright. I wonder if it really was motivation that made him lose the Edgar fights. Time for the UFC to feed the fire.
Fuck that guy Gerald Harris fought. Fuck if I can remember his name. Let’s hope he’s not good enough to rise through the ranks.[/quote]
Why blame Falcao Harris was the one down two rounds he should have pushed the fight period.
Still, an exciting win for him tonight. Surprisingly, beating Serra, Renzo and Almedia does NOT mean you’re stand up is all that good, at least not when you’re in the cage with BJ.
[quote]OneMoreRep wrote:
Still, an exciting win for him tonight. Surprisingly, beating Serra, Renzo and Almedia does NOT mean you’re stand up is all that good, at least not when you’re in the cage with BJ. [/quote]
ya, i think your right…i kind of thought that too, Hughes tore up 3 BJJ guys, only Serra was know to have an pop in his fists at all, and Serra to me is really a blown up light weight.
BJ, on the other hand, has great boxing.
I thought Hughes would do better, but I figured BJ would mess up his face some regardless.
Though surprised, I am sort of glad Quinton beat Machida.
perhaps this is a message the UFC is sending the other fighters to be more aggressive and try to make more exiting fights.
sort of their(the UFC) version of yellow cards?
And I agree with the kid earlier(Sardines), Harris was way behind and he did not step on the gas to try to finish the fight in the last round, even though everything was on the line. he deserved the loss.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
Though surprised, I am sort of glad Quinton beat Machida.
perhaps this is a message the UFC is sending the other fighters to be more aggressive and try to make more exiting fights.
sort of their(the UFC) version of yellow cards?
And I agree with the kid earlier(Sardines), Harris was way behind and he did not step on the gas to try to finish the fight in the last round, even though everything was on the line. he deserved the loss. [/quote]
Machida is the most frustrating guy to watch in the UFC. If I’m frustrated watching him I know the dudes fighting him are pissed. I pray for him to get his clock cleaned every time he fights. That Penn knockout happened so fast I missed it twice. Good card.
As I said if Hughes tries to trade with Penn it could have disastrous results. There is almost nothing worse for an mma fighter than to start training in striking late in his career and because of that try to trade with someone who is actually good at it. I think Hughes would have done much better staying away, like he used to and wait for the opening and shoot. But, hopefully now he’ll retire he has nothing to prove. He’s one of the greatest UFC champions in the history of the sport.
A nice win for Penn who at 31 has many good fights left in him at whichever weight class he chooses to compete in.
to take a broader view…I really think the UFC needs to do something to make fighters fight less defensively.
I am not suggesting they go to the yellow cards like Pride, but perhaps the decision loss by Machida was a subtle message that you have to try to make a fight if you want to win.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
to take a broader view…I really think the UFC needs to do something to make fighters fight less defensively.
I am not suggesting they go to the yellow cards like Pride, but perhaps the decision loss by Machida was a subtle message that you have to try to make a fight if you want to win. [/quote]
Technically the UFC doesn’t have anything to do with the judges. They are commission judges, not UFC judges. Although, I’m sure the UFC (and the media) has put pressure on them to reconsider the way they judge fights.
Really though, Rampage-Machida should have been a draw. Rampage (barely) won the first round, and Machida clearly won the last. If you can’t call the second round a draw, then I guess you would give it to Rampage by a hair for being the aggressor.
It was also a result of the 10-point must system. A lot of people (not necessarily you, just generalizing here) love the Pride rules where they judged the overall winner, and, by that metric, Machida clearly would have won. He had Rampage in real trouble in the last round, while Rampage never had Machida in any real danger.
I’m not disagreeing with your overall premise though; I’m all for “aggressiveness” being a larger part of the judging. It’s tough to say though, because in this fight, Rampage kind of “outpointed” Machida by simply charging him with (mostly inaccurate) strikes. It worked though, and if that fight would have went 5 rounds, I think the last two would have been really exciting as Rampage was really getting in Machida’s face, but Machida was also starting to time Rampage better.
I think Jordan Breen at some point suggested having .5 points so you could have a 10-9.5 round and pushing for me liberal use of 10-8 rounds. I also don’t think the judges have monitors, so they can’t replay/slow mo/change angles on what they see. But you could go off for a while on all the problems/things you’d change in MMA judging.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
Why blame Falcao Harris was the one down two rounds he should have pushed the fight period.[/quote]
I blame them both, but it was more than a case of Harris having nothing for the guy and not willing to go out on his shield. Falcao was the superior fighter, literally, all round. It’s one thing to play a defensive game when you know you’re ahead on the cards, it’s another to say ‘Fuck it take this round, Imma win anyway, lol’ which is what he did.