[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
deadlifter405 wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
Why do you even do this shit in the first place?
Because when your natural T-level falls to 1/2 that of the average 90 year old man your quality of life has dropped off to an unacceptable point. I used to understand the saying that men die younger than their wives because they want to, because they’re simply tired and worn out. Not anymore! I’m looking forward to decades of an enjoyable life living it the way I want to.
It would be best if I had a natural normal T-level, but being high-normal with test cyp injections is a good place to be too.
[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
deadlifter405 wrote:
Julius_Caesar wrote:
Why do you even do this shit in the first place?
Because when your natural T-level falls to 1/2 that of the average 90 year old man your quality of life has dropped off to an unacceptable point. I used to understand the saying that men die younger than their wives because they want to, because they’re simply tired and worn out. Not anymore! I’m looking forward to decades of an enjoyable life living it the way I want to.
It would be best if I had a natural normal T-level, but being high-normal with test cyp injections is a good place to be too.
Can’t you take viagra for that?
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I don’t know much about HRT as it isn’t an issue with me (PTL), but even I know that Viagra doesn’t impact T levels. It just allows your hydraulics to work. Your balls impact your T levels.
If you’re going to bust balls on here, do a little bit of research (read, Google) and have your facts straight.
I know guys who are well into their 50s and lift without doing HRT. I look at it this way: if I get so old that my body can’t produce test, I will just take up jogging or somthing like that.
My cynic side tells me that the HRT is really all about legal juicing with many.
Wait a minute - I know blokes in their 50’s who smoke as well. Why dont you take that up as well!
I highly recommend you take up jogging now
off you go!
[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
I know guys who are well into their 50s and lift without doing HRT. I look at it this way: if I get so old that my body can’t produce test, I will just take up jogging or somthing like that.
My cynic side tells me that the HRT is really all about legal juicing with many.[/quote]
[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
I know guys who are well into their 50s and lift without doing HRT. I look at it this way: if I get so old that my body can’t produce test, I will just take up jogging or somthing like that.
My cynic side tells me that the HRT is really all about legal juicing with many.[/quote]
UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE. Do you realize what an assbag you sound like? For a chemist you aren’t very intelligent.
[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
I know guys who are well into their 50s and lift without doing HRT. I look at it this way: if I get so old that my body can’t produce test, I will just take up jogging or somthing like that.
My cynic side tells me that the HRT is really all about legal juicing with many.[/quote]
I’m 36 and T defficient.
You can’t juice if you have low test for two reasons.
The test you get only brings you up to normal levels.
They don’t give you enough. A starter cycle of test for juicing purposes is 500mg 2x’s per week. HRT you may get 200mg /week.
Before you trash perfectly good informative threads … get informed.
Since your a chemist(??) maybe you could make up some lubricant to get your foot out of your mouth.
Are you educated on the physiological/psychological effects of low T levels?
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Some of you guys, and you are the lucky ones because you clearly don’t need HRT, simply don’t understand.
Viagra will not work. It’s not a matter of the hardware not working, it’s that I simply did not want to use it anymore. HRT is not a cure for ED, it’s a cure for low-T of which ED-like symptoms are only part of the problem to be fixed.
I’m 45, and had been declining slowly for 10 years. My primary care physician didn’t care, I finally talked him into a T-level test as a guess in the dark as to what I thought might be wrong with me, and it came back very low and he still didn’t care. My wife had to take my test results to her endo and make an appointment for me.
I had the total T-level equivalent to 1/2 that of the normal 90 year old male. With HRT, I am now at about a normal 25 year old male level. There is a world of difference between feeling 180 years old and 25 years old.
I am educated on the physiological effects of low-T as best as I can find information, the JCEM website is a real goldmine but is definitely geared towards doctors.
[quote]Julius_Caesar wrote:
I know guys who are well into their 50s and lift without doing HRT. I look at it this way: if I get so old that my body can’t produce test, I will just take up jogging or somthing like that.
My cynic side tells me that the HRT is really all about legal juicing with many.[/quote]
I can see the rest of the board has already ripped you a new one for this post, so I’ll try to be a little more diplomatic.
We guys who need HRT to lift past our 30s would prefer it to not be so. I’d love to have a natural high-normal T-level but it didn’t work out that way for me.
Sure a lot of guys lift into their 50s and 60s, and I plan to be one of them. They’re the lucky ones who can do it completely naturally.
I’m not so sure you’d choose to take up jogging if you had hypogonadism. You’re a member of T-Nation, you clearly train hard, so I doubt you’d be so willing to live with what is really a fairly minor problem which can be fixed with a $6/week shot.
Cynicism is good! But, I’ve seen very little evidence that HRT is being abused for juicing. Most guys simply want to get to a high-normal T-level and reap those benefits. Those who want to go the AAS route are free to do so and have other means to get there. No legitimate doctor will prescribe enough T to get you anywhere near a AAS cycle level. If you can find one that will be generous, then it’s not HRT anymore.
[quote]deadlifter405 wrote:
I can see the rest of the board has already ripped you a new one for this post, so I’ll try to be a little more diplomatic.[/quote]
Don’t waste your time with this type. It’s best to ignore them and not give them the attention they want.
Again, with the T-Points, he would have had a shitload of points subtracted for this tripe.
The overall quality of all these forums has gone down a lot.
OK,I have been on hrt now for a few months(mostly) with the test cyp. weekly and the hcg,for two months,i have not noticed any ball shrinkage yet,if they do they do.Feeling good is far better than having big balls.
As far as hrt goes hell yea if i didn,t need it i wouldn’t be doing weekly injs. But who wants to be over 40 and have the T of an 80 year old!Not me!
After two months on .5ml of 200mg/ml test cyp my nuts were smaller and were somewhere between uncomfortable and sore. I had a vasectomy 5 or 56 years ago and feel that this is related to that… a familiar feeling. After getting snipped, it was only tender for 3 years…
A natural way to prevent mini-nuts? Well; HCG is natural and almost exactly the same as LH and LH is as natural as it gets. 250IU of HCG twice per week has made things feel normal again, size wise and the discomfort, which was significant, is gone. HGC also seems to improve mood. But I guess pregnant women could have told you that too. Also has improved my appetite so that I don’t feel comfortable skipping a meal any more.
I would like to try 250IU HCG every other day, as a study of intratesticular testosterone (ITT)determined that this dose restored ITT levels in men who were given 200mg of test cyp per week to shut down LH production. Large doses of HCG should not be used at the testes will respond by down regulating LH receptors.
I am 33 and 2 months ago I finished up 40 weeks of Test Cyp shots at 100mg a week. During the entire course of HRT I did not notice any shrinkage of the testes. In the 2 months since finishing the shots, I do notice that the testes are a little bit larger. Since finishing the shots I’ve been taking Alpha Male, a aromtase inhibitor called Myomin, and 1/4 of an Arimidex tablet 2x a week. Just had a bloodtest Friday so I’ll know if my levels are still up after stopping treatment. If so, then the testes must be doing their job!!!
Ok - so my spouse started andro gel a couple of weeks ago, and you guys are not giving me much hope of things getting better soon! You are telling me I gotta wait another 6 months or so before things get better? Please tell me it is not so…
[quote]firebug9 wrote:
Ok - so my spouse started andro gel a couple of weeks ago, and you guys are not giving me much hope of things getting better soon! You are telling me I gotta wait another 6 months or so before things get better? Please tell me it is not so…[/quote]
It is not so!
Or at least, it shouldn’t be. For me my improvement on 5 grams/daily of Testim as dramatic and I was a raging bull in the bedroom by the 3rd day. Okay, I fell off a bit in a couple of weeks and needed to go to 10 grams/daily which worked very well.
If your husband isn’t noticing a change for the better in the first two weeks, he’s not getting enough T. Time to increase his daily Androgel dosage up to 10 grams. If he’s already at that level, then switch to T-cyp shots.
[quote]deadlifter405 wrote:
firebug9 wrote:
Ok - so my spouse started andro gel a couple of weeks ago, and you guys are not giving me much hope of things getting better soon! You are telling me I gotta wait another 6 months or so before things get better? Please tell me it is not so…
It is not so!
Or at least, it shouldn’t be. For me my improvement on 5 grams/daily of Testim as dramatic and I was a raging bull in the bedroom by the 3rd day. Okay, I fell off a bit in a couple of weeks and needed to go to 10 grams/daily which worked very well.
If your husband isn’t noticing a change for the better in the first two weeks, he’s not getting enough T. Time to increase his daily Androgel dosage up to 10 grams. If he’s already at that level, then switch to T-cyp shots.
Don’t wait months to dial in his protocol.[/quote]
Nope, no change in site. Literally! He is on 5mg now - but being it is the military, who knows how long it will take to get them to change the protocol.
this has been a very informative thread, along with the “why HRT” thread in here. I am almost 39 and have been concidering seeing an endo for a T level test. the whole ball size thing doesn’t bother me because just feeling better in general would be nice. thanks to most of you for the info. As for Julius, you should stick to the T-vixen forum since your testosterone level is obviously not something you care to have an interest in.