[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I cannot believe this troll is tolerated, and that people are actually conversing with him as if based on his posts that were thankfully removed he deserves any respect.[/quote]
I didn’t see those posts, but anyone can see by his screen name that it’s a troll. Probably HH, it seems in line with the rest of his personalities.
Sento is probably aware, but as long as he gets to make his (good) point, what’s the difference who asked the question. :)[/quote]
I’m shocked at the mods to be honest, not any of the posters.
Based on his statements & screen name the fact that account is still active is kinda embarrassing for these boards IMO.
I didn’t pay attention to what he had to say about training. He could be right for all I know.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
I can’t speak for the medical profession here, but speaking as someone who has a doctorate in engineering and currently engaged in full-time research for the french government (so to speak)…some of us actually do sit in front of a computer/laptop from 9 to 6 including meal breaks, and have shockingly risen above being constantly monitored by a superior.
Unless you’re a complete bottom-feeding minion in your profession, n’importe quelle…or you just don’t have access to the internet at work, I’m surprised if you can’t surf the web meme temps que travail Factor in the midlife crisis some of us older members are going through, its no mystery why some of us DO post all day long.
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I find it amazing for someone who is a “Professor” has enough time to train so often and also has time to put on over 30000 posts. I know quite a few doctors who work in emergency and they don’t have time to do a shit!
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ah ouais ben je mettrait mes bottes dans ton cus si tu travallait pour moi
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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
its_just_me I’m in the process of writing a new program entirely for you.
It will feature 7-days-a-week training, 6 sessions per day, full body each session with 5 exercises per muscle-group and very high volume per exercise.
You will grow better on it than on your current routine because it will make it impossible for you to spend time discussing stuff completely irrelevant to your level of training experience in intricate detail for 12 hours a day.
Your strength will double on everything within a week simply because your Nervous System will no longer be constantly fried from trying to cope with the pseudo-intellectual overkill here…
So… What do you say? Wouldn’t you like to finally be able to move past the pink dumbbell on kroc rows?
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Good to see you again! Shame the first post directed at me was a piss take though lol.
Did it never occur to you that the reason why I post on here often is because I don’t have a life or any friends?
I can’t wait to get past the pink dumbbells, but I don’t want to overdo it though (I may break a sweat)…
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
Thanks for the response. I understand you aren’t trying to convert me lol, I’m also just replying why I feel the way I do. I do like the push pull type split, which is why I’ll be doing that on the 3 way split (done 4-6 times/week…depending on recovery). I think it’s one of the best ways to minimise overlap (train muscle when they’re more recovered), and spread the load better.
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Cool. Glad you’ve come up with a routine that you believe in. Hope it works out for you.
Honestly I don’t really think you’d need to worry about taking off days when needed, even on a 3 days per week program. An extra day here or there (or even an extra few) isn’t going to make much difference in the long run. Plenty of people have reached freakishly large status training their body parts once every 7 days.
Nor was I trying to suggest that splitting the routine more was just for advanced individuals. Just that there comes a point in development where it becomes necessary. In other words a 2 way split is probably not appropriate for most advanced individuals. That’s not the same as saying that a routine that splits the body up over more sessions isn’t appropriate for beginners and intermediates.
Which would be something I would suggest (the cardio).
Again, it depends on the individual and the training program. I get extremely bored and don’t feel like I’m training right if I’m not really pushing myself in the gym. I’ve tried the “stop well short of failure” high frequency stuff in the past and it’s just not for me. So, with the intensity that I like to train at, I’d burn myself out in no time if I didn’t have the extra rest days. I’ve also got a lightning fast metabolism and don’t really need to worry about things like fat to muscle ratio while bulking. For me, it’s easier to get in a caloric surplus and continue progressing if I have more rest days.
As far as the hormonal stuff, I honestly think that those effects that you mention have more to do with nutrient partitioning (you’re more active, therefore the calories that you’re eating are used more “constructively”) and possibly some effects on things like insulin sensitivity (if that’s an issue for you) than it is due to the workouts themselves producing more testosterone or GH.
There might be some T or GH produced during a workout, but I doubt it’s much (if any) greater an increase than simply looking at pics in the SAMA forum. Again, it’s far from a scientific fact.
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One important point to restate is the fact that it’s not necessarilly much more volume, it moreso spread out. So on the days where you would normally have a rest, you are getting the hormone boosting effects again if you trained (this is brief training, compared to 3x/week). Even if it was just a boost in metabolism, that’s still superior to no boost on what would normally be a rest day.[/quote]
No, not really much more volume.
Again, it depends on the individual whether a metabolism boost is really something they want or not. I do cardio on my off days, and it probably does improve insulin sensitivity and improve nutrient partitioning but I do it more so just for the general health benefits. I don’t “need” to do cardio on the off days to avoid getting fat, even while eating big. But that’s me, I’m well aware that not everyone is like that.
Like I said, if you feel like this method works well for you and you believe in it, then that’s great. I was simply trying to point out that training 3x per week wasn’t as inherently inferior to training more days a week as your original post seemed to suggest. It has worked quite well for some people, and probably not so well for others. Find what works for you and stick to it.
[quote]knee-gro wrote:
His example of a push/pull/legs is a good one, that and an upper/lower done on an ABA schedualle will have less overlap than some 5 way splits.
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I thought he meant overlap within the session (i.e. chest+delts+tris = something is likely going to suffer, though exercise selection etc can help to some degree and this kind of thing is easier to pull off with a low-volume approach or when doing things the way CT has been talking about lately…).
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Hmmm, that may be. If that’s what he meant, then yeah there would be more overlap with that type of split. Which is probably why such splits are low volume. Doesn’t necessarily make them inferior though.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I cannot believe this troll is tolerated, and that people are actually conversing with him as if based on his posts that were thankfully removed he deserves any respect.[/quote]
i understand where your coming from. i read his original posts before they were deleted (along with mine) and you have my sympathies. unfortunately the heavyweights who joined in after probably missed it.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I cannot believe this troll is tolerated, and that people are actually conversing with him as if based on his posts that were thankfully removed he deserves any respect.[/quote]
i understand where your coming from. i read his original posts before they were deleted (along with mine) and you have my sympathies. unfortunately the heavyweights who joined in after probably missed it.[/quote]
Well, maybe those guys who missed it should pay attention to those who didn’t. It is retarded that anyone is responding to that jackass seriously at this point…and even more intolerable that this site allows him to hang around simply because he changed his log in name.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Looks like Juanke is the first misguided poster of the '10 class, congrats man![/quote]
I’m not misguided. This is a difference of opinion.[/quote]
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one…
Are you stating that all the squat based mass programs, some which advise you to squat 3x a week, are completely unfounded and messed up?
Of course this depends on your level of training, but for most beginners and intermediates, I don’t think ‘big scary compound movements’ like squats, deads, etc need to be restricted to 1x every 2 weeks…
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I cannot believe this troll is tolerated, and that people are actually conversing with him as if based on his posts that were thankfully removed he deserves any respect.[/quote]
i understand where your coming from. i read his original posts before they were deleted (along with mine) and you have my sympathies. unfortunately the heavyweights who joined in after probably missed it.[/quote]
Well, maybe those guys who missed it should pay attention to those who didn’t. It is retarded that anyone is responding to that jackass seriously at this point…and even more intolerable that this site allows him to hang around simply because he changed his log in name.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Who gives a shit about whether YOU train 3 days a week or not? You can do whatever the hell you want to but don’t log in acting like only training 3 days a week is as effective to getting really big optimally as those who train more frequently.
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Well 3 a week CAN be more effective than more frequently, depending on a lot of factors. It’s really ignorant and close minded to think your way is the only way.
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I actually think that he’s right. A 3x a week program can be much more effective than one that trains more frequently (if the person designing the more frequent program has NO IDEA what the hell they’re doing).
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I cannot believe this troll is tolerated, and that people are actually conversing with him as if based on his posts that were thankfully removed he deserves any respect.[/quote]
Maybe because he has formed his own opinion on how to train. What do you want him to do? Agree with every word that professor x says and keep pumping him up like you do??? Get some backbone and stand on your own two feet. The problem I see at gym’s is that everyone just asks the biggest guy in the gym how he trains and thinks that if they do the same thing then they will get just as big. Ain’t going to happen.[/quote]
Ahhh, you really just don’t get it do you…
But thanks for letting me know I can ignore your posts as well as the racist’s posts, who you are defending.
Good job buddy.
And nice fake e-stats dude, you should be on stage at those numbers, winning shows.[/quote]
What’s there to get? Although I am ‘bigger’ than most guys in the gym, I would hardly say 107kg at 6’ 2" is all that impressive. If I was going to make up stats it wouldn’t be that shit.
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one…
Are you stating that all the squat based mass programs, some which advise you to squat 3x a week, are completely unfounded and messed up?
Of course this depends on your level of training, but for most beginners and intermediates, I don’t think ‘big scary compound movements’ like squats, deads, etc need to be restricted to 1x every 2 weeks…[/quote]
Yes I’m stating that you won’t progress in squats if you squat three times a week with 75-100% of your max weight. If you do it long enough you will probably break your knees or go progress backwards becaue of over training. This doesn’t even depend on your level of training.
And what mass programs really advice you to squat three times a week?
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Yes you will break your knees or injury lower back or just burn out eventually if you won’t have a longer rest period at some point.
Squatting stresses knee joints and ligaments for sure.
Break your knees??[/quote]
Yes you will break your knees or injury lower back or just burn out eventually if you won’t have a longer rest period at some point.
Squatting stresses knee joints and ligaments for sure.
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I know what you’re attempting to communicate, but it’s so theoretical that it doesn’t matter.
I wouldn’t do it, but you could easily manage working up to doubles or triples with 75%, 3 days/week. So it does depend on other factors. Doable, but you have to keep volume and intensity in check.
Joints and ligaments are stressed … then strengthened when strength training, not just squatting. Also not sure why your lower back must be injured.
Allright maybe you can squat three times a week.
I saw this on the "squat 3x per week misconception thread:
But in this program you’re basically just squattining toxins out of your muscles after monday. And if training three days per week and taking the weekend off like this there is enough time for recovery.
I have to say here that when it comes to simple basic strength programs i do favor 5/3/1.
[quote]juanke wrote:
Allright maybe you can squat three times a week.
I saw this on the "squat 3x per week misconception thread:
But in this program you’re basically just squattining toxins out of your muscles after monday. And if training three days per week and taking the weekend off like this there is enough time for recovery.
I have to say here that when it comes to simple basic strength programs i do favor 5/3/1.[/quote]
As do I. My point is that you have to be careful, or be specific in your wording. It is possible under certain circumstances …
[quote]juanke wrote:
Allright maybe you can squat three times a week.
I saw this on the "squat 3x per week misconception thread:
But in this program you’re basically just squattining toxins out of your muscles after monday. And if training three days per week and taking the weekend off like this there is enough time for recovery.
I have to say here that when it comes to simple basic strength programs i do favor 5/3/1.[/quote]
As do I. My point is that you have to be careful, or be specific in your wording. It is possible under certain circumstances …[/quote]
And I am still stating
You stress your CNS too much and progress backwards.
When speaking of compound exercises you have to admit that deadlift is something you do at most two times a week and even then you’re not lifting heavy the second time.
Factor in the midlife crisis some of us older members are going through, its no mystery why some of us DO post all day long.