is the usapl tested?
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I remember this guy! That short guy thread was golden.
Wector, everybody in here believes that if a person uses steroids, he will get bigger and stronger.
People disagree about the numbers you threw out as natural limits. A 1600 is definitely NOT the limit for humans without steroids. You may be in the ballpark for guys under 200 lbs, although you’re still low in that regard. Sorry man, too many natural lifters have exceeded this number. It’s a big number, without a doubt, particularly for guys with lower bodyweights, but there are PLENTY of heavyweights who are stronger than this. Without steroids.[/quote]
You really cant understand who is natural or not.
Its clear that there are millions of steroid users in the world right now.
A man can use steroids for DECADES, but 3 months before competetion he could stop steroid usage and no one can detect him. He could easily compete in " Drug Free " powerlifting meets.
Lots of people are denying about their steroid usage. Mainly in USA because its illegal.
So if 1600 Lbs Total Raw seems to less for you, what do you think about Raw Total should be? 1800? 2000? Or 2399 ? So steroids give only 1 lbs to powerlifters ? Cause you seem to think like that!
Can you proove me that the people that exceeded 1600 Lbs Raw Total are lifetime drug free?
What was their weight and bodyfat percentage and height ?
There are some people like Kali Muscle for example, he is 5 Ft 9" 250 Lbs and around %5-8 Bodyfat, yet he still persists he is drug free.
Some people even believe him he is really all natural. What a bullshit.
Claiming more than 1600 Lbs Raw Total is also same ball park as this. Bullshit.
Just post the guys who did more than 1600 Lbs Raw Total, along with their height, bodyfat percentage and weight. I can say them if they are clean or not.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I remember this guy! That short guy thread was golden.
Wector, everybody in here believes that if a person uses steroids, he will get bigger and stronger.
People disagree about the numbers you threw out as natural limits. A 1600 is definitely NOT the limit for humans without steroids. You may be in the ballpark for guys under 200 lbs, although you’re still low in that regard. Sorry man, too many natural lifters have exceeded this number. It’s a big number, without a doubt, particularly for guys with lower bodyweights, but there are PLENTY of heavyweights who are stronger than this. Without steroids.[/quote]
“For guys under 200 Lbs”, but how much under ?
For average height guy, 200 Lbs %12-15 is already upper limit without steroids.
This gay cant weight more than that even he wants to. If we bulks up to %25-30, he can weight 230-240 Lbs but thats all. If he goes to 308 or SHW he would end like morbidly obese at %50 bodyfat.
I dont think I have ever seen a %50 Bodyfat athlete. Not even in Powerlifting!
If the guy in question is tall, than he can weight 300 Lbs, but than again, since he has taller arms and legs, ( Bad leverage ), still strength numbers would not change.
[quote]Wector wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I remember this guy! That short guy thread was golden.
Wector, everybody in here believes that if a person uses steroids, he will get bigger and stronger.
People disagree about the numbers you threw out as natural limits. A 1600 is definitely NOT the limit for humans without steroids. You may be in the ballpark for guys under 200 lbs, although you’re still low in that regard. Sorry man, too many natural lifters have exceeded this number. It’s a big number, without a doubt, particularly for guys with lower bodyweights, but there are PLENTY of heavyweights who are stronger than this. Without steroids.[/quote]
“For guys under 200 Lbs”, but how much under ?
For average height guy, 200 Lbs %12-15 is already upper limit without steroids.
This gay cant weight more than that even he wants to. If we bulks up to %25-30, he can weight 230-240 Lbs but thats all. If he goes to 308 or SHW he would end like morbidly obese at %50 bodyfat.
I dont think I have ever seen a %50 Bodyfat athlete. Not even in Powerlifting!
If the guy in question is tall, than he can weight 300 Lbs, but than again, since he has taller arms and legs, ( Bad leverage ), still strength numbers would not change.
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Dude I’m sorry but your going full fucking retard.
[quote]Reed wrote:
[quote]Wector wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I remember this guy! That short guy thread was golden.
Wector, everybody in here believes that if a person uses steroids, he will get bigger and stronger.
People disagree about the numbers you threw out as natural limits. A 1600 is definitely NOT the limit for humans without steroids. You may be in the ballpark for guys under 200 lbs, although you’re still low in that regard. Sorry man, too many natural lifters have exceeded this number. It’s a big number, without a doubt, particularly for guys with lower bodyweights, but there are PLENTY of heavyweights who are stronger than this. Without steroids.[/quote]
“For guys under 200 Lbs”, but how much under ?
For average height guy, 200 Lbs %12-15 is already upper limit without steroids.
This gay cant weight more than that even he wants to. If we bulks up to %25-30, he can weight 230-240 Lbs but thats all. If he goes to 308 or SHW he would end like morbidly obese at %50 bodyfat.
I dont think I have ever seen a %50 Bodyfat athlete. Not even in Powerlifting!
If the guy in question is tall, than he can weight 300 Lbs, but than again, since he has taller arms and legs, ( Bad leverage ), still strength numbers would not change.
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Dude I’m sorry but your going full fucking retard.[/quote]
You are retard , not me.
Heavy steroid users have 80 times more testesterone in their blood stream than Natural Men.
Even there is only 20 times testesterone difference between men and women and strength difference is obvious.
Now fuck off.
Lol sounds to me like your just angry that you suck at powerlifting.
[quote]Reed wrote:
Lol sounds to me like your just angry that you suck at powerlifting.[/quote]
No I dont want to use steroids.
Because there is huge health risks in my opinion.
If there is not risk, I would definately using steroids.
Well even naturally you sound line you suck pretty bad. If you don’t wanna use don’t but your claim of a 1600 total by even a 300 pound man is unattainable is hilarious. Hell a good friend of mine Samantha Coleman is 300lbs and totals 1300. She is a female you know the sex that has 20x less test than a man and I promise you she is natural at this point. If you are serious your putting a tremendous limit on your self or just naturally you suck and even with gear you would still suck or your a pretty good troll. Both of which are equally pathetic 
Wector - - -
Tyler Butcher of Port Clinton, Ohio has totaled over 2300 in single ply and I would stake my life on the fact he does NO steroids or anything that is banned per WADA.
There are freaks out there. My training partner Nate Matthews has pulled 655 at 230lbs body weight at 53 years of age in competition. Does that mean he’s doing drugs too?
And I would say this - just because you ain’t a freak doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Not everyone who lifts big or does great things is on drugs.
And you obviously don’t know anything about steroids.
After reviewing this thread I know realize you have at least mild retardation and I will be voluntarily removing my self from this as I try not to knowingly bash the mentally handicapped.
Worrying about whether or not someone else might be on steroids has never added 1 lb to my total.
How much of this time spent debating if it is possible “natty” (whatever that means) could be spent under a barbell working toward a new PR?
We all could have been spending time working together, analyzing our logs, coming up with new set/rep schemes, working on form/rehab/mobility, figuring out our next cycle, nutrition, etc.
I personally believe that it is very possible if you have the perfect storm of work ethic, genetics, and heart.
What a shame that at 18 years old I’ll never naturally put 400 lbs on my total. Probably less than that since that’s reserved for genetic freaks and I’m pretty much average. Lol
Maybe if OP spent half the time under the bar as he did crying over people using steroids and thinking it’s impossible to DL over 600 he’d actually be strong
[quote]DanProsser wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]T-Fal wrote:
This is what above poster claims is “the most impressive human specimen to ever exist”.
Lolz all day[/quote]
Absolutely. There is no one who was ever possessed of more natural strength. If you can think of someone who was, let me know and I would be happy to educate you on why you’re wrong. Or maybe you were referring to the fact that he carried a lot of fat lol. In that case, why don’t you scroll up and double check the forum that you’re in. (It’s the powerlifting forum in case that was too hard for you). The most impressive physical specimen doesn’t necessarily mean pretty. That is not at all my definition.
He could dunk a basketball at that bodyweight btw.[/quote]
You have to be trolling. This fat ass is massively, massively over-rated.
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I hear his Pre-workout is 2 dozen pancakes with one litre Aunt Jemima syrup.
Besides most impressive human specimen ever to walk earth–he also holds title of shortest neck and most eyelid fat of any other human being.
[quote]T-Fal wrote:
I hear his Pre-workout is 2 dozen pancakes with one litre Aunt Jemima syrup.
Besides most impressive human specimen ever to walk earth–he also holds title of shortest neck and most eyelid fat of any other human being.
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Are you sure you’re 41 years old rofl
[quote]Wector wrote:
Even if you train 1000 years, you cant deadlift or squat a Titanic.
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Just wanted to make sure everyone caught this.
[quote]osu122975 wrote:
Wector - - -
Tyler Butcher of Port Clinton, Ohio has totaled over 2300 in single ply and I would stake my life on the fact he does NO steroids or anything that is banned per WADA.
There are freaks out there. My training partner Nate Matthews has pulled 655 at 230lbs body weight at 53 years of age in competition. Does that mean he’s doing drugs too?
And I would say this - just because you ain’t a freak doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Not everyone who lifts big or does great things is on drugs.
And you obviously don’t know anything about steroids. [/quote]
Your friend really use steroids.
Louie Simmons is also about 50 years old, he admitted he has been using steroids since 20’s…He never cycles off…
His deadlift is 722 Lbs.
Arnold Schwarezenegger was powerlifter before bodybuilding and he was on steroids, his best deadlift was 700 Lbs.
Congragulations your “Freak” friend. He has nearly same deadlift as these 2 guys. " Naturally ". Dont bullshit.
Lots of people in this forum using steroid, and when someone asks about they get angry.
[quote]Reed wrote:
After reviewing this thread I know realize you have at least mild retardation and I will be voluntarily removing my self from this as I try not to knowingly bash the mentally handicapped.[/quote]
You are really dumbass.
Everyone knows Average height guys are better suited for Powerlifting and Bodybuilding. Its due to leverages.
Mr. Olmypia winners are usually Average height.
Eric Spoto ( Current Raw Record Holder in Bench ) - 5 Ft 10.5" 722 Lbs Bench
Dave Neutron Hoff - Current Equipped Total Record Holder - 5 Ft 8" - 3005 Lbs
Tiny Meeker - Current Equipped World Record Bench Press - 5 Ft 9" 1074 Lbs
Andrey Malanichev - Current Raw Squat and Total World Record Holder 5 Ft 10" 2468 Lbs Total
Now get the fuck away…
( I think you are also steroid user and I think thats why you get so angry lol )
Fantastic thread.
All I know is that osu122975 will break all previous barriers of natty lifting in a few years.
Lol I’m not angry in the least I find this hilarious and of course I am a user lol hell I’m probably the most open person on this forum about my use. Doesn’t change the fact that you still suck.
Wector, is your last name Koch by any chance? You sound exactly like a member of the former Cube group on facebook. He too had really random things to say and argue over…some of the dumbest ideas and he would argue them endlessly, with everyone, including gusy who could bench his max squat for reps.