[quote]csulli wrote:
Hmm I dunno 
If I were going to get tackled by someone, I would be really pleased to hear that he didn’t do deadlifts.[/quote]
This is silly. No major program I’ve ever seen uses deads. None. But they all squat and clean. Y’all can argue about this all y’all want. I’m done buttin’ my head against the brickwall that is the internet.
As far as causing fumbles that’s more a matter of technique than brute force. Unless you smooth knock someone out. Luck at the way Peanut Tillman tackles. He is the single best player in the NFL at getting the ball loose and he has perfected the art of the strip tackle. Key is to make damn sure you make the tackle because a missed tackle because you were going for the strip is still a missed tackle and a good way to earn a seat on the bench.
As for the deadlift debate, I want to put in my contribution that, as someone with a decent deadlift, I think deadlifts are a far better strength demonstrator than a strength builder.
I think all the things that build a deadlift are amazing (front/barbell/safety squat bar squats, reverse hypers, glute ham raises, mat/block pulls, kettle bell swings, rows), and I think being able to deadlift a heavy weights means being a strong person, but I honestly don’t find a whole lot of value in training the deadlift itself to become stronger.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
As far as causing fumbles that’s more a matter of technique than brute force. Unless you smooth knock someone out. Luck at the way Peanut Tillman tackles. He is the single best player in the NFL at getting the ball loose and he has perfected the art of the strip tackle. Key is to make damn sure you make the tackle because a missed tackle because you were going for the strip is still a missed tackle and a good way to earn a seat on the bench. [/quote]
Exactly
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
As for the deadlift debate, I want to put in my contribution that, as someone with a decent deadlift, I think deadlifts are a far better strength demonstrator than a strength builder.
I think all the things that build a deadlift are amazing (front/barbell/safety squat bar squats, reverse hypers, glute ham raises, mat/block pulls, kettle bell swings, rows), and I think being able to deadlift a heavy weights means being a strong person, but I honestly don’t find a whole lot of value in training the deadlift itself to become stronger.[/quote]
THIS. Any decently strong athlete will more than likely be a naturally good deadlifter due to a variety of things. But, training the deadlift will not necessarily translate to those other qualities, and the risi-to-reward ratio is way higher. That’s why NO PROGRAMS use 'em.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
As far as causing fumbles that’s more a matter of technique than brute force. Unless you smooth knock someone out. Luck at the way Peanut Tillman tackles. He is the single best player in the NFL at getting the ball loose and he has perfected the art of the strip tackle. Key is to make damn sure you make the tackle because a missed tackle because you were going for the strip is still a missed tackle and a good way to earn a seat on the bench. [/quote]
x2 on everything said…except da bears still suck
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Then don’t chase 1RM’s as part of your football training program. Doesn’t mean you toss 'em out altogether.
Even a complete dufus like Dan John has this deadlifting for athletes thing figured out:
Oh wait…maybe Dan John is not a dufus?
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To clarify, in the quote WF was quoting me on, I was speaking about deadlifts as a movement in a training program, not working up to a 1rm. I also agree that working up to a 1rm has little value in training (and I never do it outside of meets), but I also just think the deadlift itself isn’t a great strength builder compared to other lifts.
Still a very awesome strength measurement though. Probably the best.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I also just think the deadlift itself isn’t a great strength builder compared to other lifts.
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There are pretty much just two mindsets on this. It is important to find what works for you though of course.
OP, you’re on the right path, just be more of it. You’re big, you’re fast, you’re strong. Your clean says you’re explosive. Just be bigger, faster, and more explosive by time season comes. Don’t lose it all over the summer, increase and peak for football season.
It’s interesting to see you clean 270 but only squat 350. That’s a solid conversion rate of your max strength into explosive power.
Chilli: Absolutely spot on. Very few universalisms in this.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Chilli: Absolutely spot on. Very few universalisms in this.[/quote]
You got auto-corrected hard hahaha