[quote]csulli wrote:
The hardest hitters I knew weren’t the strongest or fastest guys, they were just the guys with literally zero regard for their own personal safety who could run full speed into a brick wall without slowing down.[/quote]
AKA they gave no fucks
[quote]csulli wrote:
The hardest hitters I knew weren’t the strongest or fastest guys, they were just the guys with literally zero regard for their own personal safety who could run full speed into a brick wall without slowing down.[/quote]
Yeah, me and two other sophomres played varsity this year and the one who played safety is average speed and strength, but he doesn’t give a shit about his body and he delivered the 3 biggest hits of the year in one game.
He knocked a D1 recruit out of the game and just hammered these two other kids. Ive gotta get more of that “recklessness” I think, which will happen so well see.
[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:
I think the truly earth shattering Seahawks style hits are as much timing as anything, the better you anticipate the runner’s position so you can build speed and momentum leading to the tackle the harder you’ll hit. The obvious but not all encompassing formula for big hits is Mass x Velocity=Force.
So continue to build up size and strength in your lifts and maintain or improve your speed. You could try short sprint drills, like 10-15 yds and work on building your acceleration.
As long as your tackling technique is good, most of your improvement in that area is going to come from timing and game experience so that you get more feel for how to set yourself up to deliver the big hits. If you look at the notorious big hitters in the NFL a lot of those guys are safeties because they are fast and their position is back far enough that they get more opportunity and time to set up for vicious hits.
Linebackers tend to make more wrap-em up and drive them to the ground tackles because they don’t work out in open spaces as much to build up speed unless they are blitzing.
So to sum up my excessively long post, keep getting bigger and stronger like you have, keep up the plyos and other speed building work, and just practice reading the field and making tackles at football practice.[/quote]
Yeah, I look at a lot of really good, huge linebackers play and don’t see many knock out hits. I watch guys like Brian Cushing and Patrick Willis and they really just wrap up and drive. The linebacker I have seen make some bone crushing hits is Ray Lewis. Maybe he just has more hits to pick from, or he’s crazier? Who knows
Just mind how you’re programming them. In the offseason, you don’t need a day of just plyos. If you’re going to include them, I’d keep the volume low and put them at the start of some, not all, lifting sessions.[/quote]
Yeah I do them on days I don’t do lower body, so it’s usually “look good” day and sprint day, and I do it at the end
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:
I think the truly earth shattering Seahawks style hits are as much timing as anything, the better you anticipate the runner’s position so you can build speed and momentum leading to the tackle the harder you’ll hit. The obvious but not all encompassing formula for big hits is Mass x Velocity=Force.
So continue to build up size and strength in your lifts and maintain or improve your speed. You could try short sprint drills, like 10-15 yds and work on building your acceleration.
As long as your tackling technique is good, most of your improvement in that area is going to come from timing and game experience so that you get more feel for how to set yourself up to deliver the big hits. If you look at the notorious big hitters in the NFL a lot of those guys are safeties because they are fast and their position is back far enough that they get more opportunity and time to set up for vicious hits.
Linebackers tend to make more wrap-em up and drive them to the ground tackles because they don’t work out in open spaces as much to build up speed unless they are blitzing.
So to sum up my excessively long post, keep getting bigger and stronger like you have, keep up the plyos and other speed building work, and just practice reading the field and making tackles at football practice.[/quote]
Yeah, I look at a lot of really good, huge linebackers play and don’t see many knock out hits. I watch guys like Brian Cushing and Patrick Willis and they really just wrap up and drive. The linebacker I have seen make some bone crushing hits is Ray Lewis. Maybe he just has more hits to pick from, or he’s crazier? Who knows[/quote]
Ray Lewis legitimately killed a guy. Safe to say he’s definitely crazier… Football players have been focusing on squats, cleans, bench, inclines and pulls since the dawn of training for football. Might not be a bad idea to follow suit.
[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:
Mass x Velocity=Force.
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Wut?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:
I think the truly earth shattering Seahawks style hits are as much timing as anything, the better you anticipate the runner’s position so you can build speed and momentum leading to the tackle the harder you’ll hit. The obvious but not all encompassing formula for big hits is Mass x Velocity=Force.
So continue to build up size and strength in your lifts and maintain or improve your speed. You could try short sprint drills, like 10-15 yds and work on building your acceleration.
As long as your tackling technique is good, most of your improvement in that area is going to come from timing and game experience so that you get more feel for how to set yourself up to deliver the big hits. If you look at the notorious big hitters in the NFL a lot of those guys are safeties because they are fast and their position is back far enough that they get more opportunity and time to set up for vicious hits.
Linebackers tend to make more wrap-em up and drive them to the ground tackles because they don’t work out in open spaces as much to build up speed unless they are blitzing.
So to sum up my excessively long post, keep getting bigger and stronger like you have, keep up the plyos and other speed building work, and just practice reading the field and making tackles at football practice.[/quote]
Yeah, I look at a lot of really good, huge linebackers play and don’t see many knock out hits. I watch guys like Brian Cushing and Patrick Willis and they really just wrap up and drive. The linebacker I have seen make some bone crushing hits is Ray Lewis. Maybe he just has more hits to pick from, or he’s crazier? Who knows[/quote]
Ray Lewis legitimately killed a guy. Safe to say he’s definitely crazier… Football players have been focusing on squats, cleans, bench, inclines and pulls since the dawn of training for football. Might not be a bad idea to follow suit.
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I am definitely following suit. I do cleans 3x per week, squat twice, deadlift twice, normally bench twice (have a shoulder injury right now), along with sprint work, foot work and agility, and plyometrics
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]CrushKillDestroy wrote:
Pushing a car isn’t a bad option. Get someone in the drivers seat to steer, put it in neutral and do 40m reps.[/quote]
Mark Rippetoe: “How long have you known about The Prowler, just out of curiosity?”
Dan John: “Well, we used to call it ‘cars’. We used to push cars.”
:)[/quote]
Haha yeah I like that. When I was wrestling in mongolia all we had was a 4wd to push and logs to lift.
Op, different sports but very similar principles: in rugby union and league the guys that make the best hits definitely aren’t the heaviest or strongest. They’re the guys that combine perfect timing and weighting with reckless abandon for their own safety.
If you’re not currently doing tackling technique work I reckon that’s priority number one.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I agree with all the advice I’ve seen so far.
In addition, as far as what can be done in the weightroom to improve tackling skills besides the explosive power movements such as cleans, etc. I’d like to add good ol’ fashioned deadlifting. Tough, stars-in-your-eyes deadlifting. The kind that makes you hurt all over (not talking about injuring yourself here) right while you’re doing it.
I think it builds physical AND mental toughness. It really helps to bulletproof your entire body with one movement.[/quote]
Gonna disagree here. For most, the dead is too taxing to push on a regular basis. On top of practice, other lifting, running and hitting, the dead is more than likely overkill. The juice just ain’t worth the squeeze.
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
I’m a sure tackler, but never cause fumbles which I find odd since I’m a big strong guy. .
BW: 210
Bench: 275
Squat: 355
Deadlift: 500
Clean: 270
40 yard dash: 4.80[/quote]
You are going to need to just work on ball hawking skills. If you are a sure tackler, I wouldn’t want to change that. Instead after getting a feel for your opponents during the game, practice…whatever, pick your spots to go for the ball by stripping while wrapping up, punching the ball out, just get the ball from them.
It’s really hard to try and give advise when I don’t know how you tackle. You are a sure tackler, are you a typically hip level/thigh tackler? If so, on certain plays raising your tackle level to waist/chest level and targeting the arm carrying the ball during your hit and wrap up can help cause fumbles. If you are coming in on a play to help out teammates don’t go for the tackle right away, go for the ball. Punch the ball, rip the ball, rip the arm off the ball, hands. I just wouldn’t suggest you changing up the whole way you play defense. Being a sure tackler is very important. Just maybe set a goal on fumbles caused a game and pick your spots when you make the decision to get the ball…then go get the fucking ball.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I agree with all the advice I’ve seen so far.
In addition, as far as what can be done in the weightroom to improve tackling skills besides the explosive power movements such as cleans, etc. I’d like to add good ol’ fashioned deadlifting. Tough, stars-in-your-eyes deadlifting. The kind that makes you hurt all over (not talking about injuring yourself here) right while you’re doing it.
I think it builds physical AND mental toughness. It really helps to bulletproof your entire body with one movement.[/quote]
Gonna disagree here. For most, the dead is too taxing to push on a regular basis. On top of practice, other lifting, running and hitting, the dead is more than likely overkill. The juice just ain’t worth the squeeze.
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I agree you may be right during the season. Was this thread about weight training during the season?
Since he posted it in February I assumed he was talking about lifting in February (and into spring). Most high schools don’t begin spring practice until May. I’d think deadlifting done in February, March and April would not adversely affect him in May.[/quote]
If he’s playing spring ball, running, practicing and hitting, it’s too much. I’ve also never seen a single college or pro program include the dead. It’s just too much.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I agree with all the advice I’ve seen so far.
In addition, as far as what can be done in the weightroom to improve tackling skills besides the explosive power movements such as cleans, etc. I’d like to add good ol’ fashioned deadlifting. Tough, stars-in-your-eyes deadlifting. The kind that makes you hurt all over (not talking about injuring yourself here) right while you’re doing it.
I think it builds physical AND mental toughness. It really helps to bulletproof your entire body with one movement.[/quote]
Gonna disagree here. For most, the dead is too taxing to push on a regular basis. On top of practice, other lifting, running and hitting, the dead is more than likely overkill. The juice just ain’t worth the squeeze.
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I agree you may be right during the season. Was this thread about weight training during the season?
Since he posted it in February I assumed he was talking about lifting in February (and into spring). Most high schools don’t begin spring practice until May. I’d think deadlifting done in February, March and April would not adversely affect him in May.[/quote]
If he’s playing spring ball, running, practicing and hitting, it’s too much. I’ve also never seen a single college or pro program include the dead. It’s just too much.[/quote]
Lemme try this one more time. Is he playing spring ball in February and March?
Are you saying you’ve never seen a college or pro program that includes deadlifting in the off season?
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Well, it’s March. Again, with everything else, deads are just too much. And no, I’ve never seen a successful collegiate or pro program prescribe deads. Anything they do from the floor is a clean variant. Deads are just too much for a hard training athlete. Too much risk, wear and tear and strain for something you can get by doing something else.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
So it’s March. No football practice til May.
A high school boy deadlifts in March (and April) because it is the king of all weightlifting movements (squats could arguably compete for that title). But still “deadlifts are too much.”
C’mon man.
Can he do them in January without devastating his recovery? What about December? How many months of recovery does a high school boy need after incorporating a basic temporary deadlifting program? Does he need years?[/quote]
I said March 'cause Spring ball is starting now. He doesn’t need years, he just doesn’t need deadlifts. There’s nothing they provide he can’t get from squats and cleans, and the risk is higher.
Hmm I dunno 
If I were going to get tackled by someone, I would be really pleased to hear that he didn’t do deadlifts.