Looks like. I also can’t quote whenever I use my phone for some reason.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
…but I also just think the deadlift itself isn’t a great strength builder compared to other lifts.
Still a very awesome strength measurement though.[/quote]
Statements like these don’t make much sense to me. One somehow gets the impression that people think that there is some mythical entity people can posses referred to as “strength” that is NOT related to specific movements. Reminds me Ripptoe, who also makes these vague claims about “strength”, but essentially is talking about deadlift and squat 1RMs.
So then what the hell does it mean that deadlift is not a good “strength builder”? I hope you don’t want to claim that performing the deadlift is NOT suited to improve the deadlift. If you mean that performing deadlifts is not suited to improve “strength”, then I want to know what you mean.
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
…but I also just think the deadlift itself isn’t a great strength builder compared to other lifts.
Still a very awesome strength measurement though.[/quote]
Statements like these don’t make much sense to me. One somehow gets the impression that people think that there is some mythical entity people can posses referred to as “strength” that is NOT related to specific movements. Reminds me Ripptoe, who also makes these vague claims about “strength”, but essentially is talking about deadlift and squat 1RMs.
So then what the hell does it mean that deadlift is not a good “strength builder”? I hope you don’t want to claim that performing the deadlift is NOT suited to improve the deadlift. If you mean that performing deadlifts is not suited to improve “strength”, then I want to know what you mean.
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I deadlift 6 times a year (not counting competitions) and in doing so built a 601 deadlift in the 181 class over a year ago and can presently pull that for a few reps at 200lbs bodyweight. I’ve managed this primarily through mat pulls to train the mechanics/strength of the movement, along with the various assistance exercises I listed previously.
When I was regularly training the deadlift proper, I was not able to achieve these results. I think my biggest contention is that training the full ROM every time you train the movement leaves little room for overload, and tends to be pretty taxing, whereas using a shortened ROM means I can go much heavier while moving within a ROM that is still friendly to me.
There are definitely a lot of people out there that have had great success deadlifting to build their deadlits, but for me, once I stopped deadlifting so much and started focusing more on building the deadlift, things really took off.
In regards to strength only applying to certain movements, I would have to disagree. Certainly training specificity will lend to it that one is better at the movements they train versus the ones they don’t, but strength developed will also have carryover to untrained activities. Now, as we deviate further and further from certain activities, the strength will have less and less carryover, sure.
I barely trained for my last strongman competition, and it was my first time every doing a power clean, and with no warm-up managed to get 225 to my chest. It’s definitely nothing to write home about, and the form was terrible, but that is more of the point that I had zero technical ability and had to rely on previously developed strength from other movements.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
…but I also just think the deadlift itself isn’t a great strength builder compared to other lifts.
Still a very awesome strength measurement though.[/quote]
Statements like these don’t make much sense to me. One somehow gets the impression that people think that there is some mythical entity people can posses referred to as “strength” that is NOT related to specific movements. Reminds me Ripptoe, who also makes these vague claims about “strength”, but essentially is talking about deadlift and squat 1RMs.
So then what the hell does it mean that deadlift is not a good “strength builder”? I hope you don’t want to claim that performing the deadlift is NOT suited to improve the deadlift. If you mean that performing deadlifts is not suited to improve “strength”, then I want to know what you mean.
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I deadlift 6 times a year (not counting competitions) and in doing so built a 601 deadlift in the 181 class over a year ago and can presently pull that for a few reps at 200lbs bodyweight. I’ve managed this primarily through mat pulls to train the mechanics/strength of the movement, along with the various assistance exercises I listed previously.
When I was regularly training the deadlift proper, I was not able to achieve these results. I think my biggest contention is that training the full ROM every time you train the movement leaves little room for overload, and tends to be pretty taxing, whereas using a shortened ROM means I can go much heavier while moving within a ROM that is still friendly to me.
There are definitely a lot of people out there that have had great success deadlifting to build their deadlits, but for me, once I stopped deadlifting so much and started focusing more on building the deadlift, things really took off.
In regards to strength only applying to certain movements, I would have to disagree. Certainly training specificity will lend to it that one is better at the movements they train versus the ones they don’t, but strength developed will also have carryover to untrained activities. Now, as we deviate further and further from certain activities, the strength will have less and less carryover, sure.
I barely trained for my last strongman competition, and it was my first time every doing a power clean, and with no warm-up managed to get 225 to my chest. It’s definitely nothing to write home about, and the form was terrible, but that is more of the point that I had zero technical ability and had to rely on previously developed strength from other movements.
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(1) There are a lot of confounding variables to considered for your progress story (e.g., form improvements, hypertrophy,…) and there is always the n=1 thingy. Anyway, this thread is not really about how to improve the deadlift but the whole carryover thing, which brings me to the second point:
(2) I never said that being good in one movement like the deadlift will not carry over to other activities like power cleaning or tackling for that matter. What I meant was that this carryover should NOT be explained by the hypothetical and vague construct called “strength”, but rather by well understood concepts such as muscular hypertrophy in the right muscle groups (e.g., erectors, hamstrings, etc.) and perhaps to a lesser extent similar patters of intramuscular coordination between activities (e.g., ability to arch lower back while extending hips). Might be a battle of semantics but I think being more precise is useful here.
Definiely many variables, but I no longer concern myself with causation. Correlation is enough for me, as long as I get stronger.
For point #2, I would just call that strength, haha.
For football, I actually think the trapbar dead is a better movement than the conventional dead. I know it always seemed to have at least as much carryover to the field for me but without the toll on the body that a conventional heavy dead does. Also, I feel like the straight back good morning is another solid carryover movement for high school football player.
[quote]drewc64 wrote:
OP, you’re on the right path, just be more of it. You’re big, you’re fast, you’re strong. Your clean says you’re explosive. Just be bigger, faster, and more explosive by time season comes. Don’t lose it all over the summer, increase and peak for football season.
It’s interesting to see you clean 270 but only squat 350. That’s a solid conversion rate of your max strength into explosive power.[/quote]
Is this necessarily bad? I can’t do back squats right not because I tore my labrum in my right shoulder and it hurts very bad to put a bar on my back, but I can still clean and front squat fine. Maybe this is part of the problem?
It is simply having a bar on your back that hurts, or having your shoulder in that position that causes the pain?
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
I tore my labrum in my right shoulder [/quote]
You should 100% get this fixed after this season…MAYBE even right now. Recovery time is 6 months you could fit it in if you rushed. Believe me from experience, labrums come back to haunt you at the most inopportune times.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
It is simply having a bar on your back that hurts, or having your shoulder in that position that causes the pain?[/quote]
It’s having the bar on my back. I can put my arm back there with barely any discomfort, but when I put a loaded bar there it’s incredibly painful
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
I tore my labrum in my right shoulder [/quote]
You should 100% get this fixed after this season…MAYBE even right now. Recovery time is 6 months you could fit it in if you rushed. Believe me from experience, labrums come back to haunt you at the most inopportune times.[/quote]
Yeah I think I’m gonna try to play through if this year and get it fixed the week after the season is over. I’m getting looks from D3 schools right now so if I’m in good shape and have a great season could have some D2 looks, so I absolutely can’t miss this seasons camps and I can’t be out of shape. Plus id lose all the work I’ve put in and could be putting in. Does this sound like a good idea?
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
I tore my labrum in my right shoulder [/quote]
You should 100% get this fixed after this season…MAYBE even right now. Recovery time is 6 months you could fit it in if you rushed. Believe me from experience, labrums come back to haunt you at the most inopportune times.[/quote]
Yeah I think I’m gonna try to play through if this year and get it fixed the week after the season is over. I’m getting looks from D3 schools right now so if I’m in good shape and have a great season could have some D2 looks, so I absolutely can’t miss this seasons camps and I can’t be out of shape. Plus id lose all the work I’ve put in and could be putting in. Does this sound like a good idea?[/quote]
It’s purely a personal decision on when to have surgery. I’m assuming you’re going an upcoming senior. Hit the individual college camps hard this summer, make a JR highlight video ASAP, and send that to whoever you have 5% interest in playing for…then send it to 25 more schools.
Don’t just set your goals to a specific level, my talent was D2 but I got D1 walk on looks just from specific physical attributes, GRADES, and how you interact with the coaching staff. Recruiting today is less of a coach recruiting you it’s more of you selling yourself to the school<–the case if you’re not a top level prospect.
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
I tore my labrum in my right shoulder [/quote]
You should 100% get this fixed after this season…MAYBE even right now. Recovery time is 6 months you could fit it in if you rushed. Believe me from experience, labrums come back to haunt you at the most inopportune times.[/quote]
Yeah I think I’m gonna try to play through if this year and get it fixed the week after the season is over. I’m getting looks from D3 schools right now so if I’m in good shape and have a great season could have some D2 looks, so I absolutely can’t miss this seasons camps and I can’t be out of shape. Plus id lose all the work I’ve put in and could be putting in. Does this sound like a good idea?[/quote]
It’s purely a personal decision on when to have surgery. I’m assuming you’re going an upcoming senior. Hit the individual college camps hard this summer, make a JR highlight video ASAP, and send that to whoever you have 5% interest in playing for…then send it to 25 more schools.
Don’t just set your goals to a specific level, my talent was D2 but I got D1 walk on looks just from specific physical attributes, GRADES, and how you interact with the coaching staff. Recruiting today is less of a coach recruiting you it’s more of you selling yourself to the school<–the case if you’re not a top level prospect.[/quote]
Well I’m just gonna be a junior next year, and that’s the most important year for recruiting. I’m only 5’10", and just today found out my coach wants me to play a DE/OLB type and I don’t know if I’m big enough for anything past D2 for that or linebacker. Ill just have to see how it feels.
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
I tore my labrum in my right shoulder [/quote]
You should 100% get this fixed after this season…MAYBE even right now. Recovery time is 6 months you could fit it in if you rushed. Believe me from experience, labrums come back to haunt you at the most inopportune times.[/quote]
Yeah I think I’m gonna try to play through if this year and get it fixed the week after the season is over. I’m getting looks from D3 schools right now so if I’m in good shape and have a great season could have some D2 looks, so I absolutely can’t miss this seasons camps and I can’t be out of shape. Plus id lose all the work I’ve put in and could be putting in. Does this sound like a good idea?[/quote]
It’s purely a personal decision on when to have surgery. I’m assuming you’re going an upcoming senior. Hit the individual college camps hard this summer, make a JR highlight video ASAP, and send that to whoever you have 5% interest in playing for…then send it to 25 more schools.
Don’t just set your goals to a specific level, my talent was D2 but I got D1 walk on looks just from specific physical attributes, GRADES, and how you interact with the coaching staff. Recruiting today is less of a coach recruiting you it’s more of you selling yourself to the school<–the case if you’re not a top level prospect.[/quote]
Yeah, I have known some guys who were actually not that exceptional in comparison to some other area athletes but they got a lot more attention than those other guys because of hitting the summer camps and 7on7 showcases hard and marketing themselves with highlight reels and what not.
The importance of this skyrockets if you are on a small or a middle of the pack competitive school. The guys playing for the big schools in the state championships will get a few more eyeballs on them than others.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
[quote]chobbs wrote:
[quote]Hunter2016 wrote:
I tore my labrum in my right shoulder [/quote]
You should 100% get this fixed after this season…MAYBE even right now. Recovery time is 6 months you could fit it in if you rushed. Believe me from experience, labrums come back to haunt you at the most inopportune times.[/quote]
Yeah I think I’m gonna try to play through if this year and get it fixed the week after the season is over. I’m getting looks from D3 schools right now so if I’m in good shape and have a great season could have some D2 looks, so I absolutely can’t miss this seasons camps and I can’t be out of shape. Plus id lose all the work I’ve put in and could be putting in. Does this sound like a good idea?[/quote]
It’s purely a personal decision on when to have surgery. I’m assuming you’re going an upcoming senior. Hit the individual college camps hard this summer, make a JR highlight video ASAP, and send that to whoever you have 5% interest in playing for…then send it to 25 more schools.
Don’t just set your goals to a specific level, my talent was D2 but I got D1 walk on looks just from specific physical attributes, GRADES, and how you interact with the coaching staff. Recruiting today is less of a coach recruiting you it’s more of you selling yourself to the school<–the case if you’re not a top level prospect.[/quote]
Yeah, I have known some guys who were actually not that exceptional in comparison to some other area athletes but they got a lot more attention than those other guys because of hitting the summer camps and 7on7 showcases hard and marketing themselves with highlight reels and what not.
The importance of this skyrockets if you are on a small or a middle of the pack competitive school. The guys playing for the big schools in the state championships will get a few more eyeballs on them than others.
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Yeah I’m doing the best that I can to put myself out there. I’ve sent my soph/varsity to over 100 schools and have gotten about 50 emails and camp invites, so I feel like I’m doing the most for myself that I can do at this point