Let’s hear from you guys.
What do you take, what do you do, what do you eat in order to get the BEST sleep you can?
Getting the best, restful, recovering sleep has been a bit of interest to me lately, so I wanted to hear from the crowd here what their take(s) are on it.
So let’s hear it…
I’d probably have some carbohydrates with dinner, sip some magnesium an hour or so before I go to bed, relax to some music, then triple-pill the Z12 and try not to hit my head on the way down to my pillow.
dont have any problem sleeping… most of the time i take some cheese and nuts before bedtime, cant sleep when i am hungry. So i sleap like a baby actualy… i dit take some trypto back in the days… about 2-3000mg but you cant eat protein within 2 hours, so that sucks
Nothing better then 2 pills of Z-12.
LR
I’ve had problems for many years in this area.
Using TMG allowed me to discontinue using Ambien. It is better, for me, than that pharmaceutical, though it must be said that Ambien was not extremely effective for me. TMG works by serving as a methyl donor, and for many people availability of a methyl donor is a rate-limiting step in the production of serotonin.
Z12 is also very good for me. The combination is definitely better than TMG alone, or when not having any TMG I had better have the Z12! And will do reasonably well with just the Z12, but not as well as when combined with the ZMG.
For some muscle pain problems lately I’ve been prescribed cyclobenzaprine. (Soma, or carisoprodol, works the same way.) This is the best sleep pharmaceutical ever, for me personally anyway, giving perfectly natural sleep. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if for many people it might not be suitable. For me, two tabs – the standard label dose is three per day – works perfectly, while three tabs leaves me literally stupid during the day.
I had tried the 3 tabs to see if it would work better for the muscle problems. While it did, for example I was Christmas shopping and there were certain people, totalling 4, for whom I wanted to get a given thing. I was not able, when thinking of these persons, to correctly figure them as being 4 in number, but thought that they came out to 3. I actually did spend a bit of time rethinking it and each time coming out to 3.
I think it’s fair to say that there was a cognitive problem going on at the label dose.
I suppose it’s possible that some people might have the cognitive problems occur before getting the sleep benefit, in which case the drug would be of no use to them. As it is long acting, it IS going to be in the system during the day. At the two tablet dose however, it doesn’t make me groggy at all during the day.
Soma clears faster, but I never did like it as a sleep aid.
Best sleep? In no particular order.
Fall asleep quickly and stay that way for hours.
I haven’t ever really had a big problem sleeping, so take my advice for FWIW.
I have a bunch of different stuff (melatonin, GABA, various teas, Z12, ZMA and or just magnesium). I like the combo of magnesium (Mine has 4 forms: Taurinate, Malate, Oxide, and Other Unspecified Chelate) and Z12. I take zinc earlier in the day. I think a highly absorbable Mg+ is important. I’ve taken a hit of (sativa based, indica stuff makes me crazy!) pot before bed if my mind was racing like a mofo and it helped, but only in combo with the Z12 cause pot messes with my sleep otherwise. Other stuff I’ve tried has helped a little when taken on its own, but I can’t comment on them (melatonin, chamomile, etc) in combo with Mg+Z12 stack.
I wonder if there is a correlation between BF% and sleep quality… Sleep apnea or otherwise, I would think there would be benefit to having an improved oxygen delivery (higher V02 max) and sleep quality.
Also, darkness (better window shades) has helped me to some degree (although now it’s harder to wake up in the morning as there is no natural light coming in… but I do feel refreshed once I so get up).
smoke weed.
[quote]London Runner wrote:
Nothing better then 2 pills of Z-12.
LR[/quote]
4 Z-12
I’d also like to know more about sleep. There’s been so many forum posts on it. After so long, I’ve realized everything works for a short amount of period. ZMA worked up to a point(i guess until my Zinc levels were normal/high). Z12 worked for 1 week and shouldn’t be taken more than 2 weeks without cycling anyway. I find the best thing is to have a completely dark room , no noise and a calm head. Some calming delta wave music helps sometimes too. There’s really no magic bullet.
I’ve been using white noise recently which really seems to help.
Z-12 doesn’t do much for me, helps me sleep once im already asleep but that was never the problem.
Id do anything to fall asleep faster, tried more or less everything imaginable.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
For some muscle pain problems lately I’ve been prescribed cyclobenzaprine. (Soma, or carisoprodol, works the same way.) This is the best sleep pharmaceutical ever, for me personally anyway, giving perfectly natural sleep. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if for many people it might not be suitable. For me, two tabs – the standard label dose is three per day – works perfectly, while three tabs leaves me literally stupid during the day.
I had tried the 3 tabs to see if it would work better for the muscle problems. While it did, for example I was Christmas shopping and there were certain people, totalling 4, for whom I wanted to get a given thing. I was not able, when thinking of these persons, to correctly figure them as being 4 in number, but thought that they came out to 3. I actually did spend a bit of time rethinking it and each time coming out to 3.[/quote]
I used cyclobenzaprine for a while after tearing my trapezius at the base of my skull. Unfortunately I had the exact opposite results. I had a very low quality of sleep while using it, and would wake up with a hangover (groggy/slow) the next day, similar to what happens when you smoke a lot of weed before going to sleep.
Recently, as posted in my thread in Supps/Nutri, I have been having a small amount (30g’s) of carbs before bed, and have been getting a very high quality of sleep after making the change.
I stick to carbs that are low on the glycemic index (qunioa, brown rice, black beans) and have been sleeping like a baby. I think it has also helped with my recovery, as prior to this change I cut off all carbs after the lunch hours.
one Z-12 puts me into a nice and deep sleep, I love that stuff.
get really really really fuckin drunk.
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
smoke weed.[/quote]
Always makes me sleep through my alarm (this morning included).
Also had some pretty good effects with ZMA, but you have to time it right or it’ll keep you awake an extra 30mins or so. When i’ve left enough time between taking it and going to bed I’ve had some really good vivid dreams and i don’t wake up groggy like I do if i get too baked.
turn off all electronics !!
and get into a comfortable rythm… sleeping is all about rhythm … we did a study in school and people who were into a good sleep rhytm got 30% more progress in thier training compared to people who slept unreagulary !
Definitely Growth Hormone Releasing peptide 6.
I think that slow wave, restorative deep sleep and growth hormone levels are definitely tied in together.
I have tried phGABA, and I like it as well. In fact, I like all the ingredients in Z-12.
I haven’t ran the GHRP-6 and Z-12 together, but I would imagine it would work well.
Valerian is fantastic as well. However, I grow a tolerance to it in a matter of days, so i take it EOD.
For me, right now at bed I am taking.
100mcg of GHRP-6 every day.
500mg of phGABA EOD (every other day)
100mg of L theanine EOD
1g of Valerian EOD
240mg of Mucuna (L-Dopa) EOD - This boosts GHRH in the presence of low somatostatin levels (which I nail down low from the GHRP-6)
Earplugs.
Hey Mate,
I used to have a big problem sleeping, really shit insomnia. But i found what works for me the best now is routine. My routine is usually going for a brisk 45 min walk around 7pm, followed by shower/shave and prep for work the next day etc i then read for about an hour up to 10pm. I take 3 Z12 at 9.30pm. This rouine helps me so well i am usually out of it by half past ten and wake up about 30 seconds before my alarm at 6am. I am absolutely loving it at the moment.
Also like previously mentioned i cycle my Z12 i usually go 5 days on 2 days off so i use it sunday throught to thursday nights then friday night i am usually so tired after work plus a few beers and i am out and sat night i usually get really fucked up and pass out. I find my body does get used to the Z12 if i take it continously.
Hope this helps