I’m a long time gym rat been lifting for about 19 years now. Spent eight years or so powerlifting (which will become relevant soon I promise!) and since hitting 30 and having a full on job I decided to take things seriously enough to take the leap into pharma. Three years on and after doing a few cycles made the decision last October to stay on test and blast/cruise to see if I could actually make a go of bodybuilding. I did a couple of blasts using test and anadrol and finally took the plunge and gave a test/tren e and anavar cycle a go during the hot months. The plan now is to sit in 250mg test only until Jan and finally give deca a go for 12-16 weeks and compete in opens first timers.
I was going to compete in classic but my waist is sitting at 36 ins thanks to eight years of raw powerlifting usually without a belt! I simply don’t have the look of a classic physique competitor so opens is the only choice really as I’m too tall for 212. I am 5’9’’ (175cm) and currently staying at a weight of about 224lb (100kg) I don’t have an estimate for body fat but I would hazard perhaps 10-15%. I feel big enough to give amateur comps a go but compared to some of the boys in opens I am aware that I am still a bit undersized. I can list measurements but I’m not sure they will help. I’m also aware that I’m driveling so I’ll get to my question.
In order to get to the next level where I can go from just being an ordinary looking big guy is HGH and/or HGH/insulin essential? Financially I am not currently equipped to afford steady supplies of HGH but if it is what I need to begin the transformation into a mutant I will find a way! I appreciate any knowledge and advice on the subject.
Pictures? I’m very interested to know what this looks like, considering you and I are about the same height, weight, and likely BF% (within a few % points).
Yes and no. What’s more essential than this is your genetics, frankly.
If competing is a goal then the most important is the genetic look.
Yesterday i was watching a movie that had some bodybuilders of the 90s and everyone there said Paul Dillett was a monster. 6’2 and 250lbs. Funny how i am same height and weight. But if we were to hit some poses, next to him i would look like i havent trained much. If id jack up doses and go to 300lbs even then, i dont think id look like i have “bodybuildery muscles”. Its the way muscle looks, inserts and flexes. Its kind of like anyone can run, but even if you have same leg lengts and size, not everyone can be super good at sprinting.
Bodybuilders look like bodybuilders not because of something they do but they do bodybuilding because that is how they look.
So if you have this look, then… My belief is that gear around a gram a week would get you to lean 220lbs if lucky… 1,5-2 grams would be needed for 240-250. Past that its probably double those doses
GH is needed if you want to compete with the big guys, around 10-20ius a day is a common practice. You would also be on a blast much longer than 16 weeks. Youd probably blast for 9-10 months and go off only for a month or two. Bodybuilding is one of the most expensive sports and nowdays people who have the most money would have the most chances to win.
I’ve definitely not been taking doses quite this high the most I’ve gone up to is 500mg test/500mg tren e per week. Obviously and I would hope it’s common knowledge around here but higher doses do mean more size to an extent until returns diminish. I had to come off after 16 weeks of the above cycle due to insomnia and acid reflux just feeling unwell in general but I think you might be right and maybe the blasts need to be longer. I’m more bothered about accomplishing this goal than about living a long time. I have no interest in living a long, boring and meaningless life. Finances are definitely the biggest ceiling it’s funny because this was once the choice of the working class man but it seems to be getting out of the range of a lot of peoples wallet.
I’m not really sure why I’ve taken the effort to block out my face because anyone that knows me IRL will know it is me but these are still sensitive topics for employers etc.
There’s a big difference between footing the bill for Test/Tren blasts, and footing the bill for HGH. You can still get very big with Test and Tren alone, then judge from there whether or not you want to step into the HGH/Insulin game.
^You very well may end up needing financial boosters to get into the HGH game. Olympia purse is only 400k and gear costs are projected 15-20k$ for the last month or two leading up to the stage… Big investment for not much return. Makes one wonder how these dudes can all afford to do this.
You’re plenty thick. That is a good thing.
Most people have a difficult time getting stage ready without losing more muscle than they would like. Getting stage ready the first time is a real challenge for almost everyone.
I would recommend entering anything; classic or open bodybuilding. The experience is essential to be your best on stage. You need to be completely comfortable on stage. Anxiety is your enemy.
IMO, you definitely have the potential to be freaky.
Potential is there, yes.
But boatloads of drugs will be needed as since you aim for open, i dont think people who weigh 220 would do good there. Most of em are your height and 280-300 in off season, as far as i know. But you DO have the look for sure.
I agree about the cost disparity between the substances t/t blasting would cost for 10 weeks what the hgh would cost in 4. At this point all I can do really is up the doses of things I can afford and just keep plugging away with food and the gym being consistent like always. I’ve heard that HGH/Slin is essentially a game changer for appetite it’s been very hard lately to smash 4-5000 calories a day especially after doing it for the last couple of years the cost to do so is also slowly creeping up as food and supplements are seeing an increase in prices especially in the quantities consumed. I’m certain that more calories = more growth and bigger, fuller muscles and I’d say that all things being equal food is probably the most anabolic variable followed closely by the gear itself. IF HGH and slin do what they supposedly do which is make glycogen stores even higher and allow greater retention of calories and converting them into lean muscle mass then it would make a huge difference. I would be very interested to know the exact numerical advantages it allows vs just anabolics.
It could add 10 pounds it could add 60 pounds until I try it for myself I wont really know but it’s a huge curiosity. Thanks for the comments I’m always happy to share my physique I just hope it wont bite me in the ass in the future due to privacy concerns at least I’m not doing shady things with grapefruits. I want to look the biggest I possibly can and perform in bodybuilding at the highest level possible and obviously like most an Olympia stage is the dream but just to stand out enough to make an impact on the scene so I can make some kind of living from the thing I love doing which is the process of bodybuilding itself. I love being in the gym and evolving to be something greater than I was yesterday I enjoy the discipline involved in every aspect of bodybuilding lifestyles. To share a stage with the best would be amazing but right now I’d just love to bring my best to a stage and see what I’m made of.
I’m in two minds about that proposition I’m not sure I would be happy with taking something that would get me to my goal with no prospect of failure it’s going to sound a bit sick to some people but part of the excitement of this is knowing failure is a possibility. Taking a pill that would guarantee success sounds amazing but the reason why I love the gym is because there’s a chance I might fail and then I can pick up the pieces come back the next day and try again. I actually quite enjoy the suffering involved in the process too. I’m taking all of this stuff and building a BMI that can quite literally cause massive health problems and kill me though so obviously the pursuit of greatness IS more important to me than my own well being.
I’d say something a guy like you should do is vet out different sources. Send stuff out for testing. Invest a bit to find a low cost high quality supplier.
There can be vast differences in the costs if you find a really good source. It’s worth doing for a guy like you. I feel I got lucky getting the source from a gym buddy. Now half the gym uses them haha.
