Test / Dbol Cycle and Maybe EQ?

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So a little about me is I’m 25 I’ve been lifting for the 5 years and I’m 5,6 205lbs around 15%bf…currently. When I started I was 195 fat and dropped down to 160 10%(4 years ago). Last year I got to 195lbs 10% bf then I took a about a year break, and lost some size and got a chunky, but i was able to put on the size I had on previously pretty quick. Thanks to test E and grinding. I’ve been using test and used a couple cycles before the break so Ik a lil bit. Anyways…. I’m wanting to do a cycle (dbol) and I’ve been using test for a lil bit now and have a good test base. I’m on a push pull leg split and I go to the gym 6 days a week. I also don’t have a problem w eating I’m a fat kid at heart who just been getting jacked over the last few years but I’m not where k wanna be yet…I’m still learning (I wanna be 225 at 5,6 10%)

I’m wanting to take 400 test and maybe throw some dbol (50mg) for 6 weeks, but I’ll start out w like 25mg for the first week and see how my body reacts. I really don’t see a whole lot of side effect from previous cycles, but I’m prone to estrogenic side effect…probably due to me having gyno naturally before even messing w compounds. Yes, I do take an estrogen blocker armidex 2x a week (1mg) as of rn. I really want to put on as much size as I can and I’ve talked to many ppl to get their opinions on it. I’ve had some tell me to add a peptide such as mk677 to the cycle and maybe even eq really just because I already have it but never ran it. (200mg). I’m just curious on what I could do to get the most gains or size and how to keep on the size more… or how much I should take of eq if I do plan on taking eq and a peptide… just kinda want more opinions rn I’m just getting ready to take the cycle but wanna be prepared…

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Puhlease post a picture of this.

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FWIW that’s almost my exact height, weight and body fat in my Avatar photo. So something like that probably.

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Not that it really matters but I’d like opinions on what I asked about lol I’m not here to show myself off

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What a moronic way of thinking. You want to talk dosages and compounds for an imaginary body? You name one field, where you can talk specifics without any info. If you were to buy a house, would you not mention how big of a family you plan, do you need extra rooms for hobbies, etc? If you were to buy a car, wouldnt you take into consideration how often and where will you drive? I mean even if you want to buy apples, you dont just go into store and yell “APPŌLS!!!” … you actually have some reasoning and approximate amount of how much and which ones you might need.

Dosages and drugs will depend on your current development. The ONLY thing that matters is how you look so far.

When i see people like this, what i imagine is a dude going into a IT store saying he needs a computer and goes “no, please dont ask me any questions, i just need A COMPUTER”.

Now that we have this out of the way…
You have pretty decent size so if you want actual gains, i wouldnt take 400mgs of test. I would definetly go up.
I wouldnt take dbol as you are on the fat side - not that its bad, its just that it will emphasize that and youll just look bloated and soft. For some reason, i dont really think people that have some chubs, would do good with orals. The wet ones will bloat, and the dry ones wont show.
MK677 has a tendency to bloat also. MK677 bloats me more than dbol, and my BP skyrockets. Anyways, even if you will pick an oral, no point of taking it for like 6 weeks. No steroid can do much in 6 weeks and orals are no magic or any different than any other steroid. If you wouldnt take test for 6 weeks, why would you take dbol for 6 weeks.

If you want MK677, you should rather get real HGH as the benefits will be the same and it can cut down a bit of fat on the way - smth that MK doesnt do.
Since you are pretty big already, your options basically are the only ones that matter to anyone past beginner level - test-eq , test-tren, test-deca or test-eq-deca, test-eq-tren.

Speaking of eq doses - about the same as test or higher. EQ is mild, so it wont do much at like 400mgs… Id say 600 is the super lowest. Most people take 800-1000. Also its slow as shit so 20weeks on it is a minimum.

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Well if you want me to be honest I’m just not where I want to be to by showing off my pictures yea I look okay but yea there’s still progress that needs to be made… there’s obv a reason I posted it I don’t mind about ppl asking what I looked like I get your point even tho it was very drawn out, but there is a reason I posted it.

For the test yea But if I take anymore than 400 I attend to break out a little more and it’s not that I’m against taking more, but I was told 800 probably the maxed I’d wanna go. I’m just a lil more on the fat side of thing In that picture lol I’m good a fluctuating my weight always have been and the reason I wanna do dbol is to put on size I have 60 tablets so that’s how many days I’ll be on it so it’s honestly longer than 6 weeks…I do just fine w orals. MK was just suggested cuz I didn’t want to spend an arm in a leg for the real hgh. I heard I was a good substitute to rocket the hgh production and put on size that why I showed interest into it. Yea I’ve heard eq kinda like test to where you won’t get much wo doing it for Atleast 16 weeks. Ig my question is what cycle would you recommend for putting on size or what would you do w the current cycle for dosages. 800 test, 50mg of dbol and would you try mk677 w the cycle I’m trying? and do you think eq could have any value of throwing in there even if I was to take the eq longer such as for Atleast 16 weeks……

dang I didn’t know that you could take that much eq I just told 300 but this is why I’m here is to learn so I can grow and not just throw anything in my body I like having different perspectives or opinions. Also the only reason I didn’t want to do deca is because I’m afraid of getting like the ED from it :joy: just cuz Ik that been a thing I’ve heard. I have tried tren and test. It was great but I felt like I definitely needed an oral w it or hgh definitely would’ve been great I put on good size and strength definitely went up. My body does well w stuff and I’m definitely not a beginner anymore I’m just tryna get bigger and maybe someday get on stage when I feel ready… I do kinda wanna try a test, eq, tren stack in the future…also deca test and eq…. Just worried about deca that’s all lol…but I’ve also been told to try 800 test, deca, dbol w hgh.

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I admire this goal, but its going to take more than light cycles to get there. You’re young, but you’ve got similar size stats to me. I have been doing this for 25 years and with our smaller frame, a super lean 225 is probably not achievable with AAS alone. You would need growth, insulin, and heavy AAS. All likely not worth it outside of a career as a stage competitor.

Now, could you use AAS to get to a 10% at 200lbs? Probably. That would be HUGE. Yeah, I see that you said you were 195 at 10% but you are not likely estimating your BF correctly based on your current claim and photo.

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Oh 100% 225 at 10% would be insane by any means I just like setting the bar high I’m not tryna be the next lee priest. Even tho that would be the shit. Hgh is definitely something I will eventually move in too but I’m not in a hurry. Ik patience is key same w consistency. I’m also very careful about my health or I try which is why I don’t go crazy on things but Im easing into it. Cuz Ik this is true.

Yea I feel like 200 at 10% would be very attainable even by the end of the year I would like to be 205 @ 10% by February. The picture is me at 205 like 15% bf now the accuracy on idk I get a bmi scan but it’s not a inbody water scan so yes the Accuracy can be off.

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Real pharma GH is super expensive. However if you look around, some of the UGLs have pretty good stuff for not a terrible price. I can get it for $1.20/IU with domestic shipping, or like $0.8/IU if I get it shipped from China (I assume both products originate there). That isn’t that far off from MK677.

FWIW, I’ve used MK before. It didn’t do much for me (I don’t think). My blood work while on it showed my IGF-1 actually went down by like 5 points. I think that just means it didn’t do anything for me. I wouldn’t mess with it again, I’d just use UGL HGH.

I’d be happy with this at 5’10". Or at least for a little while I’d be happy haha. Sitting around 205, but not 10%. I think 10% would be at around 190, maybe lower with water weight loss.

Thinking back to the Rocky movies, I think Stallone is about 5’10", and when he was diced (Rocky 3) he was like 163, and looked pretty big. I think he was more like 6-7% there though.

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Shows what being really lean does for the physique.

By the picture, I’d guess you were around 15% there.

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Right now it’s bulking season tho so I’m tryna out on as much size as I can cuz I took a year off :confused:

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Yea hgh is definitely expensive asf just don’t have extra money atm even tho I’m in a expensive sport lol and yea If I was to cut I’d probably be 195 10% so I’m really hoping I can be 205 @ 10% in February but I can’t wait To see my physique the next time I cut up

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@hankthetank89

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  1. Having some sides is ok. You wont be able to get far if you are not willing to take some rape from side effects. If you want to build real size, and you even plan on getting on a stage, unless its like some “natural” show or something where just most people look like it, 800mgs of test wont get you far, even if you add the same amount of 2 different drugs in the mix. The really big guys dont pin MLs they pin vials. And they measure shit in grams. There is a tape recording of Nasser claiming everyone in Olympia is on 5 grams of test alone. Autopsy of McCarver showed levels of test so high, that even it was a mistake and the results were trippled, he was pinning a whole vial of test a day.
    Im not saying you have to. Its just something you need to take into consideration. I think shit around a gram will make you a lean 220 if you are lucky. If you wanna go beyond 220, you are looking at 1,5-2 grams of gear + gh and slin. Everything above 250lbs lean is probably double that - cant say for sure, i am only now starting to get into those waters.

  2. MK and GH are not the same thing as they work very differently, even tho they would be supposed to be the same thing. I definetly prefer real GH. I put all my clients on MK tho, because it is not a steroid. I kind of see it as a gateway drug for steroids for small guys and mostly females who will never go on anabolics. For a guy with higher bodyfat like you, GH would work 10 times more better than MK would.

No. Dbol is bloaty as fuck and adding MK to the mix might have your BP in 150s… If i was to walk around with that BP, i rather it be from something really worth it. MK wont change much, it doesnt work like GH does. It has a lot of benefits, but i wouldnt say it has muscle building benefits for guys who are already taking some anabolics.

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If you are going with 800 test, you could do 800eq with it. Its super slow, so it will take like 6 weeks to build up. If you dont like it, you can always just stop pinning it half way and wait for it to clear.
Ok, you can even do 800test and 500eq if you wanna do lower dosages.
The thing with dosages is that just because you do 20 weeks on lower doses, doesnt change much to the fact that you will be needing years on grams of shit. It is not safer, it doesnt save you years to your life expectancy and so on. It just slows the process. If you were to die of steroid use, it wont be those 20 weeks of doing 300mgs less of EQ that saves you in the total run of 20 years.

Id say… for someone pushing past 220lbs… 1g of test is base. Add EQ as a safe option 700-1000mgs. Add deca or tren for a better kick.
All in all, besides contest prep for a lifting meet or a bodybuilding show, there is little of use to any other drugs. You have your test. You have your 19nor - deca OR tren. And you have the EQ or Primo. You pick 2-3 of these. You add GH and slin when needed and for size, there is absolutely nothing else you will ever need.

As far as orals go, they fuck my BP. I believe that high BP is 90% of problems with years and years of steroid abuse, so even tho i am pushing the doses lately, i will NOT take shit that brings my BP over 130 on regular bases.
If you can take dbol on anadrol on a bulk and maintain BP below 130, enjoy. I cant. I can take a gram of tren, and with some breathing exercises i can actually measure as low as 117 and stay around 130 with my regular sleep apnea, broken nose shallow breathing, haha.

So do your cardio, at least 150min a week if its around 120-130HR, or at least 100min if you do mixed HIT style with some lower intensity. Measure your BP daily and go with the highest dose of stuff i mentioned, your body can take without bringing your BP above 140 for shorter amounts of time or 130 for longer ones.
If you plan on gaining size and also competing, understand that you will be on much longer than off. So you should consider statin medication to protect the arteries.
Keeping yourself in check and healthy should take as much time and money as it takes you to think and plan all the bodybuilding stuff. Do heart and organ imaging at least once every 18 months, and join the train to Gainsville.

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