How Reed Trains

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]A-rod wrote:
“I dont pull much right now. I do alot of speed pulls in the off season but only go heavy from blocks and Reverse Bands during that time. Also I do them heavy on weeks that I CAT Squat and Frojt Squat for higher reps.”

Man my approach must be ass backwards then. I always use super high percentages when squatting and if I am feeling really strong I will just try and add more weight and go for a pr. I got pinned under the bar squatting last week and fucked my back up. I guess its time to reevaluate my methods.

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well I’m not going to say you need to do that. What your doing may be working for you but, I do know if your getting pinned under the bar that’s a no go atleast in my opinion. One of the biggest components of Sams training is recovery and keeping the CNS fresh. This allows you to constantly push for volume and rep PRs with the occasional weight PR but ONLY when you know without doubt your going to smoke it. Brandon Lilly made a post about Sam you can find on Facebook and Youtube saying " Sam Byrd is the only lifter I know who takes a full month deload, comes backs, and breaks a world record". This is true I strongly believe if you “need” to constantly feel heavy weight to stay strong then your mentally weak not physically weak. Also at heavier weights you risk injury big time compared to @70-80% so why constantly be in the 90%+ range and even higher to the point of becoming stapled. Master technique, stay recovered, helps you stay motived, put those three together and you can smash PRs whether it be weight, reps, better tech, faster speed, or adding pauses or bands on a weekly basis even being as advanced as Sam is. [/quote]

Well I sure as hell am not mentally weak. I googled Sam Byrd. Is it his juggernaut training you are referring to. I am having difficulty finding the actual template. You wouldn’t happen to have a link.

BTW wrestling ruins shoulders man. So I feel your pain. My shoulders have been wrecked from wrestling.

No he is sponsored by Juggernaut but he has nothing to do with that template. Sam has not actually laid out a specific template per say. He is currently working on a Ebook and will be releasing it soon.

Great thread thanks for sharing Reed very inspiring :slight_smile:

I’ve been following Nera for awhile now, and over the last year, mainly because of injuries, he’s switched to this exact style of training, and credits Byrd for helping him. he switched from squatting heavy 2 or 3 times a week heavy ( 700 is heavy to him) to now doing CAT work with 400lbs,( plus a front squat day) boggles your mind how they keep they’re strength, but it seems to work. ( 550lb front squats can’t hurt ) Too many strong guys doing the same thing, to atleast not try it for a few months. Whats the worst that can happen ‘’ I heal up ‘’ :slight_smile: later

I haven’t been here for awhile, and I know I keep brining up jay, but I’ve been watching what he does, and then talking with you, and putting it all togeather, so last week I did the 5x5 with 275, but I didn’t try and time it, I just got the work in,. and focused on being explosive, this week I’m going to time everything, and see how many explosive sets I can get in 25min. I played around last week with a few different weights, and settled on 275 I can move that weight pretty fast. I really wanted to be using 315 for this, but being honest with myself, it was a little too heavy for what we’re after with this.

Now I’ve also started using the ROM deads on Sun, so what I’m thinking is, that the ROM deads work on a 7 week cycle, and I’m wondering about sticking with a weight ( 275 ) for that time frame, and then having an overload day where I see where my squat is, strength wise, after doing the CAT squats for 7 weeks, I’ve also swung my bench around to the same set-up as squats, so Tues CAT bench, then Thurs CAT squats, and Sun ROM deads, and heavy front squats. Test my maxes every 7 weeks.

Tomorrow will be the first workout where I try and time everything, and see what I can do, but all and all, it’s been good focusing on form and total work done, rather than ramping up every workout, for one all out set. I might make some small adjustments at the end of my first 7 weeks, but so far so good, and I’ve actually got sore from this style of workouts again, both from the squat and the bench. I just wanted to let you know I did get my workouts swung around to CAT style, and will be working on speed, and form for a while, rather than liniar progression.

Thanks Reed, and we shall see

Some good information in here. Good reading.

[quote]Reed wrote:
From week to week my training changes a good bit in terms of volume and intensity. How ever the movements pretty much stay exactly the same.

Bench Moves: Ill use bands, boards and or the sling shot quite often as I am one of the few raw lifters I know who has a horrible time locking out a weight. So triceps strength has been of highest priority to me. I also have had a mental mind block on this lift and finally I came to the realization that overload training worked amazing for my lower body lifts why the hell have I not tried it for my Press. Seemed like a no brainer and for the first time in months I am finally seeing progress in the press again and I am much more comfortable with it. Training is set up along these lines.

Saturday: I focus on comp style pressing. I alternate between Heavy 1-5 reps weeks using 80-95% of my 1rm and higher “rep” weeks more along the lines of 70-80% of 1rm for sets of 5-10.

Tuesdays: This is my overload day. I may be using 90-110% of my max here in movements such as Board Presses but, since it much shortened range of motion it hardly taxes my system and allows me to go heavy quite often with out feeling like I was ran over by a truck. I alternare here between Comp Style Board Presses one week focusing on 1-5 reps at a given height and then the next weeks is full range against bands or with reverse bands.

Squat and Deadlift Training: I am a huge believer in if your Squat is going up so is your deadlift. So I hardly ever go over 405 in my training UNLESS it is off of a box or with reverse bands set up. This just as with the board presses for my bench allows me to feel some heavy weight but, not tax my CNS as bad. 500 off the floor fries me for a few days I feel utter shitty but, with 650+ with decent band tension even deloaded at the top I feel great to go.

Mondays: I focus on CAT Squats and Block or Reverse Band Pulls. I hardly ever go over 365 on the squats these days. The goal here is to take work up to a weight and hit 7 sets of 5 in under 10 minutes. This has been a Sam Byrd Staple for years he swears by it and my Squat has followed suit so, therefore I swear by it.

Thursdays: Front Squat and Speed Pulls. Another Sam Byrd swears by is Front Squats. He strongly believes for a unequipped lifter a big front squat is the most important thing next to perfect technique. If you can grind a FS 500 you will crush a 600 BS considering yout in a much better postion to incorporate the posterior chain plus if you round forward slightly the bar is not going any where and you can make it happen.

Accessory work is limited to your weaknesses one of the few things Sam agrees with when it comes to West Side training is to pick 2-3 accessories that target the areas you specifically are lacking in and crush them with high volume. So for Bench I focus mainly on Close Bench, JM Presses and Various Push Downs. For Lower Days its GHR, Stiff Leg Deadlifts, and Abs.

Upper Back is trained EVERY SESSION. Usually a Vertical Pull on Squat and Deadlift Days and Rows on Bench Days.

This is about all I have for now I am on a lunch break and unfortunately this Rotessiore Chicken and 2 Packs of Rice is going to eat its self. Anytime Ill be on here around 5 or 6 so any questions on the Reverse Bands Set up I can answer I will. Was thinking of even going in to The Pit tonight and just doing a decent video explanation on it kinda like Punisher did for his pull and ROM program.[/quote]

I like the CAT squat theory you talk about. What do you base your weight lifted against? Obviously you are a great deal stronger than me and I’m curioys what weight I should try for this workout. I’m assuming you’re using something like 55-60% of your 1 rep max?

I am also a believer in my squat strength going up if my deadlifts are. I CANNOT back squat anymore and have given up on them after continuously reinjuring myself each time after months of slowly loaded weight to the bar…NO matter how slow and patient I am at loading the bar I always hurt myself again; I blew dome disks in my upper spine when I was 20yrs old squatting in the smith machine because all the free weight racks were taken one day

Luckily for me I am able to do front squats and trap bar deadlifts with no feeling of pressure on my upper spine and can go as heavy as I like or gas myself out with super high reps

Deadlifts, variations of Deadlifts and Front Squats are my main strength increase goals. I’m always looking for ways to experiment with progressing. Currently I’m utilizing 5 x 5, 10 x 10 or the 185 rep squat (or Deadlift) workouts

I have to be diligent about how often I push squats or deadlifts so I don’t overtrain or injure myself. Typically I’ll push either the front squat hard one workout and throttle back on my deadlifts the next workout and rotate vise versa next cycle in my split

Front squats are much more beneficial for what your wanting in general and for CAT it is 60%.

[quote]Reed wrote:
No he is sponsored by Juggernaut but he has nothing to do with that template. Sam has not actually laid out a specific template per say. He is currently working on a Ebook and will be releasing it soon.[/quote]

Read in an article he wrote that he was expecting to put it out in spring of this year. I cant seem to find it and was wondering if you had an ETA on that E-book?

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:
No he is sponsored by Juggernaut but he has nothing to do with that template. Sam has not actually laid out a specific template per say. He is currently working on a Ebook and will be releasing it soon.[/quote]

Read in an article he wrote that he was expecting to put it out in spring of this year. I cant seem to find it and was wondering if you had an ETA on that E-book?[/quote]

The book has been pushed back due his rediculus bicep injury, moving homes, and being a lawyer. But he is still trying to work on it. I’ll keep it updated here as soon as I know more on it.

I often wonder if a persons injury rate goes up with the use of aas. If a persons lifts go up really quickly how will the joints have time to catch up? Maybe the gruesome powerlifting injuries I hear about have more to do with the high amounts of weight being lifted than how fast the lifter got to those levels. What do you think Reed?

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]Max8950 wrote:
I often wonder if a persons injury rate goes up with the use of aas. If a persons lifts go up really quickly how will the joints have time to catch up? Maybe the gruesome powerlifting injuries I hear about have more to do with the high amounts of weight being lifted than how fast the lifter got to those levels. What do you think Reed?[/quote]

This is a great question and have to say I don’t have much scientific knowledge on the subject, but I do def have a opinion on the matter and ot seems to work and has kept me from experiencing any injuries that link to AAS use anyway.

  1. I strongly believe that the the majority of injuries while on AAS are one of two things. A. They were unavoidable and were going to happen any ways or B. A very big mistake people make when getting on in my opinion is that they often feel like Superman. This happens of course but because they feel like they are superman they decide to drop their smart training and often every session turns into a Max Effort “lets see what my max is… Again” type of training. This is very hard on the tendons and ligaments even when not on gear. Add in AAS where your muscles are pushing even harder the tendons can’t keep up and then pop. How ever I DO NOT blame AAS for this as much as the foolish person wanting to stroke his ego.

  2. Not thinking about a optimum cycle. Most people getting on gear they don’t think about all of the negatives. They think about the pros and the negatives they can see such as hair loss, gyno, ball atrophy and acne. How ever they do not take into account things such as prostate growth or more directly to this post Collagen Synthesis. Collagen if you don’t know is the most important component of healthy, strong, and recovery of Tendons and Ligaments. Alot of new and even experienced users do not realize that Testosterone Drugs cause a serious decrease in Collagen Synthesis. Some studies have shown that a dose of 500mg can lower collagen synthesis by more than 50%. So now your on a cycle of drugs that cause your muscles to grow at a extreme rate and lower the tendons ability to repair, grow, and keep up with the muscles strength gains. Add 1 and 2 together and you have a pretty vulnerable situation to blow out a Pec or Knee ot what ever.

How ever as you know for every drug that causes one problem there is atleast one drug that can’t battle those effects. Where Test lowers Collagen Synthesis drugs like Eq (Equipose) at a very low dose of only 300mg can increase Colagen Synthesis by over 300%. Deca Durabolin at the same dose can raise it by 240% Anavar has also been shown to raise it quite a bit but is a oral and causes stress to the liver and is quite expensive compared to the others. Many people believe for a beginner that a “Test Only” is the way a beginner should go when looking into AAS. I agree and disagree at the same time. Yes a 500-750mg cycle of Test in a beginner will yield amazing gains. However in the case of injury prevention it is not the safest route. Which is why personally I recommend a Simple Test and Eq cycle for beginners.

500-750mg of Test
300mg of Eq
Run for 12-15 weeks and bam your golden.

Deca would be a great choice as well and probably produce more better strength and size gains in general but it is a harder drug to recover from and EQ is quite a bit better at producing protection for the tendons any ways. A smart cycle coupled with smart programming will minimize any risk of injury from AAS use. Not saying you may still not suffer a injury but I strongly believe if the above is followed it is a injury that most likely was going to happen any way.

I have yet to suffer a injury that direct to AAS use.[/quote]

Reed, you got me really thinking. Thanks for the insight. Keep up the big lifting!

Hey man I’m not a powerlifter but I always train squat deads and flat bench in the basic powerlifting reps/sets 5/6 reps and same for sets I don’t go to failure but usually 1 rep before failure the idea of me doing this being a body builder is I still like lifting big and it helps all my other lifts get stronger. Would you say this is stupid should I dedicate to one or the other pling or bbing?

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]kenny-mccormick wrote:
Hey man I’m not a powerlifter but I always train squat deads and flat bench in the basic powerlifting reps/sets 5/6 reps and same for sets I don’t go to failure but usually 1 rep before failure the idea of me doing this being a body builder is I still like lifting big and it helps all my other lifts get stronger. Would you say this is stupid should I dedicate to one or the other pling or bbing?[/quote]

No and Yes. I believe you need to choose a major and minor in the other. If you want to be a bodybuilder then train a few of the main moves heavy like a Powerlifter. Squat, Pull, Press heavy. But, also get in your volume and high rep pump sets and make sure you focus on lagging body parts and remember strength is important to you BUT it is not going to win you a body building meet. If you decide being a powerlifter is your main goal then obviously train the Squat, Bench, and Deads heavy and often enough to get proficient in the move. Then choose your accessories wisely and push volume and hypertrophy in those movements and then choose some accessories to bring up your smaller or weaker appearing body parts. BUT, a judge could give zero fucks about how jacked you are in a PL meet.

Now if you have zero interest in competing in either then just do what you enjoy doing.

Now if you think you have serious potentiomal to be a top guy in either sport or just want to dedicate yourself to that sport then I say period flat drop one and devote your self to the one that is more important. The fastest way to a destination is a straight line.[/quote]
So iv decided after talking with my PT that next years nabba will be my last bodybuilding comp (first big comp and first non naturaly comp after that I’m going to focus everything into powerlifting I’m excited because I absolutely hate prep phase and I really enjoy lifting heavy for a bodybuilder iv been told I’m pritty strong so hopefully I can go far in powerlifting. Have you got any websites or articles that are a good place to start on powerlifting? I literly know fuck all about training for powerlifting

Edit: I have been told not to try design my own program and to find a trusted beginners program

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]kenny-mccormick wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]kenny-mccormick wrote:
Hey man I’m not a powerlifter but I always train squat deads and flat bench in the basic powerlifting reps/sets 5/6 reps and same for sets I don’t go to failure but usually 1 rep before failure the idea of me doing this being a body builder is I still like lifting big and it helps all my other lifts get stronger. Would you say this is stupid should I dedicate to one or the other pling or bbing?[/quote]

No and Yes. I believe you need to choose a major and minor in the other. If you want to be a bodybuilder then train a few of the main moves heavy like a Powerlifter. Squat, Pull, Press heavy. But, also get in your volume and high rep pump sets and make sure you focus on lagging body parts and remember strength is important to you BUT it is not going to win you a body building meet. If you decide being a powerlifter is your main goal then obviously train the Squat, Bench, and Deads heavy and often enough to get proficient in the move. Then choose your accessories wisely and push volume and hypertrophy in those movements and then choose some accessories to bring up your smaller or weaker appearing body parts. BUT, a judge could give zero fucks about how jacked you are in a PL meet.

Now if you have zero interest in competing in either then just do what you enjoy doing.

Now if you think you have serious potentiomal to be a top guy in either sport or just want to dedicate yourself to that sport then I say period flat drop one and devote your self to the one that is more important. The fastest way to a destination is a straight line.[/quote]
So iv decided after talking with my PT that next years nabba will be my last bodybuilding comp (first big comp and first non naturaly comp after that I’m going to focus everything into powerlifting I’m excited because I absolutely hate prep phase and I really enjoy lifting heavy for a bodybuilder iv been told I’m pritty strong so hopefully I can go far in powerlifting. Have you got any websites or articles that are a good place to start on powerlifting? I literly know fuck all about training for powerlifting

Edit: I have been told not to try design my own program and to find a trusted beginners program[/quote]

Normally I’d agree but, you are not a fresh out the gate beginner. New to PL but def not the movements and such. I recommend Dave Tates so you think you can squat and think you can bench. They are not the be all end all but, give you a crash course in the difference between benching and benching to move the most weight.

Subsrice to Chris Duffins YouTube and watch pretty much any thing he has to say.

Add me on Facebook if you like I’ll add you to a group full of some of the best powerlifters s in the states. Dustin Reed.[/quote]
That is an awesome channel first video I watched helped out with my sumo deadlift. Cheers for the tips man I’m not on facebook anymore it bore’s the shit out of me. I might start with a good squat program as its by far my worst lift i have shitty form and cant lift fuck all it embarrassing when you can bench more then you squat

Hey Reed new here, was reading over your log and you have really good information over your cycles. I was wondering if you’ve ever delt with injection site pain I just started my first cycle and experiencing no pain when injecting, some pain but bearable the day after but 2 days after its bad. Just did my left quad yesterday and had a hard time walking around my job site. Thanks

What are you running, is this your first cycle, what size and length needle are you pinning, where exactly on your quad did you pin?

If this is your first cycle 1-3 things are a possiblity.

  1. Virgin muscle happens to veritually any and every one. If that is what it is it will get better with time and each injection.

  2. Your pinning technique is off and your hand was shaking and moving. Even a small amount of movement can cause a good bit of pain.

  3. Both of those things.

If your running Prop then and the above are still true then your looking at a pretty painful time.

In general though heat the oil up well before injecting it. I use a hair dryer on the syringes after it has been pulled in. I get it hot to the point if I touched the syringe ( NOT THE NEEDLE ) to my cheek it would actually be pretty uncomfortable to keep it there. The warmer the better in my opinion. When you inject be as careful as possible when it comes to shaking or even slighly moving your hand. If you can get some one to help you makes life much easier. About 5 mins after injection I like to foam roll and stretch the area a bit to help disapate every thing. Antiinflammatories can help a bit if needed.

All in all if your not experiencing a fever, redness, and swelling that is spreading as the days go on you are going to be fine and just have to suck it up.

That guy Chris duffins is an awesome coach the way he explains shit is so easy to understand I have been watching his youtube non stop lol

[quote]Reed wrote:
What are you running, is this your first cycle, what size and length needle are you pinning, where exactly on your quad did you pin?

If this is your first cycle 1-3 things are a possiblity.

  1. Virgin muscle happens to veritually any and every one. If that is what it is it will get better with time and each injection.

  2. Your pinning technique is off and your hand was shaking and moving. Even a small amount of movement can cause a good bit of pain.

  3. Both of those things.

If your running Prop then and the above are still true then your looking at a pretty painful time.

In general though heat the oil up well before injecting it. I use a hair dryer on the syringes after it has been pulled in. I get it hot to the point if I touched the syringe ( NOT THE NEEDLE ) to my cheek it would actually be pretty uncomfortable to keep it there. The warmer the better in my opinion. When you inject be as careful as possible when it comes to shaking or even slighly moving your hand. If you can get some one to help you makes life much easier. About 5 mins after injection I like to foam roll and stretch the area a bit to help disapate every thing. Antiinflammatories can help a bit if needed.

All in all if your not experiencing a fever, redness, and swelling that is spreading as the days go on you are going to be fine and just have to suck it up.[/quote]
Test E @ 500 mg a week. I’m pinning Monday/Thursday with 1 ml per pin. I’m drawing with 20s, pinning with 25s 1 inch. Upper outer portion of my quad, I am rotating between left/right glute and left/right quad. I will definitely try warming up the test tonight. I don’t have a hair dryer around, could I run the vial under hot water beforehand? Thankfully no fever, redness, or swelling. The pain is fairly bad the day after pinning, very very bad 2 days after, then decreases from there usually going away completely after 5-6 days.

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