I am currently doing west side for skinny bastards, but I feel I am recovering way too fast, anyone have any other routines that they use while they are ‘on’?
Ive been eating like a beast, and gaining pretty good… I just feel I should be sore more.
Are you using? Or are you just asking because you’re curious?
Sounds to me like he’s already on.
If you are making gains, then don’t worry about it. This most important thing is to not get injured.
although i am not familiar with ‘west side’, (i dont listen to hop-hop j/k)
one would assume that more weight needs to be applied to the bar and more attention paid to the negative portion of each repetition.
Please do not take the following as a flaming as i do not know any of your stats etc; but given from the ‘west-side for skinny bastards’ indicates to me that you are indeed a skinny bastard to be following such a routine; hence aas use is a bit of a no no. Please right me if i am wrong, it has been known to happen - once, but she did look 16…erm, anyway
[quote]testanabol wrote:
although i am not familiar with ‘west side’, (i dont listen to hop-hop j/k)
one would assume that more weight needs to be applied to the bar and more attention paid to the negative portion of each repetition.
Please do not take the following as a flaming as i do not know any of your stats etc; but given from the ‘west-side for skinny bastards’ indicates to me that you are indeed a skinny bastard to be following such a routine; hence aas use is a bit of a no no. Please right me if i am wrong, it has been known to happen - once, but she did look 16…erm, anyway[/quote]
Its not just for skinny people. Google Joe Defranco and you can find the program. I started this program last week and I think its great so far. I always write everything down when I lift so I can keep upping the weight. I would try that.
wsfsb is not just for skinny people, its just what its called… i dont feel like i gain when i do low reps hgih weight, medium weight and like 10 reps i gain fast!
Lets all remember one thing when ON your muscles will recover quickly. However your tendons and ligaments do not fair as well. Having said that too much too quickly is a recipe for injury and sideline. I am not simply talking about weight but also volume.
I.E. if you used to hit the weights 3-4 times a week for an hour or so and now you are running 5-6 days a week for several hours at a time even with moderate weight you may run into similar problems with your joints/ connective tissue. Just my 2cents.
[quote]superbeast22 wrote:
wsfsb is not just for skinny people, its just what its called… i dont feel like i gain when i do low reps hgih weight, medium weight and like 10 reps i gain fast![/quote]
If this style of training induces fast gains, then use it. With AAS you can up the training volume, and will probably find that you can increase the weight a bit from week to week.
If thats the case, do what works for you.
“I just feel I should be sore more.”
That’s an the most amazing opart of AAS for me. I recuperate FAST. Just yesterday I did heavy sets of squats, just days after a “Hungarian Oak Leg Blast”, and while my legs feel (very) tired, I’m walking around just fine.
Off the juice I know I’d be limping for a couple of days. I looooovvvvee it.
Like others have posted, if it works for you, keep doing it!
What’s appropriate for moderate lengths of time is not necessarily appropriate – in fact probably is not – for truly extended periods of time.
A couple of notes for perspective: Arthur Jones, the inventor of HIT training, in his Training Bulletins #1 and #2 had his athletes training 24 sets per workout – 24 HARD sets, mostly heavy compound movements with little rest – and 3 workouts per week: 72 hard sets per week.
Your average HIT yenta these days would faint at the very thought. But Arthur produced his best results with bodybuilders and football players in this period, not in the later low-volume periods.
My volume when “on” is typically about 80 sets per week and that is counting conservatively – for example a few trisets each being counted as one set, 10 two-rep sets of Louie Simmons speed squats as 3 sets, not counting some pyramiding-up sets or any warmups, etc. If I were doing ab work or more forearm work or this sort of thing, the total has pushed up over 100 sets/week in the past. I don’t consider this excessive. I do take Surge pre-workout and one hour into it.
When “off,” I cut the volume in half or less.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
What’s appropriate for moderate lengths of time is not necessarily appropriate – in fact probably is not – for truly extended periods of time.
A couple of notes for perspective: Arthur Jones, the inventor of HIT training, in his Training Bulletins #1 and #2 had his athletes training 24 sets per workout – 24 HARD sets, mostly heavy compound movements with little rest – and 3 workouts per week: 72 hard sets per week.
Your average HIT yenta these days would faint at the very thought. But Arthur produced his best results with bodybuilders and football players in this period, not in the later low-volume periods.
My volume when “on” is typically about 80 sets per week and that is counting conservatively – for example a few trisets each being counted as one set, 10 two-rep sets of Louie Simmons speed squats as 3 sets, not counting some pyramiding-up sets or any warmups, etc. If I were doing ab work or more forearm work or this sort of thing, the total has pushed up over 100 sets/week in the past. I don’t consider this excessive. I do take Surge pre-workout and one hour into it.
When “off,” I cut the volume in half or less. [/quote]
Bill is right on the money here. Volume is a misnomer. If I counted all my sets my routines would be over 100 sets, however I never count sets and focus only on the total reps that I want to accomplish with a given weight.
To the OP
Q
Are you doing the 3 day split or the WS4SBIII with the 4 day split?
Have you run powerlifting routines before??
Bill Roberts:
I see you seem to be a fan of high volume training. Currently I am running a DC blast, training 4 times a week. I’m sure you’re familiar with Dante’s style of training and was hoping to get your thoughts on it and its effectiveness while “on.”
World
Actually, World, I’m not familiar with Dante’s style of training and so can’t comment.
Whether what I described is high volume or not is a relative thing. As mentioned, it’s almost identical to what Arthur Jones’ original HIT was, except for being split routine instead of whole-body 3x/week, which doesn’t work for me.
I feel like I never tire out on gear…2 hour workouts are actually intense all the way through.
Rugby becomes fun for a whole game because there is almost no fatigue (scored a lot of late game tries last year).
It really is a world of difference.
It’s a great question. For my first cycle I’m going to keep it really simple and watch how my body responds/feels. My plan is to stick to my powerlifting routines (4-5x/week) with 10/8/6/6 as my reps. Maybe do one lighter/very high rep burn set at the end of each exercise. One day of yoga, one or two day rest. Sound crazy?