X or any one else who is eating 300 grams of protein a day, I’m very curious to see what your daily eating looks like. I swear with all that protein the toilet is always calling your name. If it is not too much to ask, could you post your daily diet?
Most of poop is made of bacteria, funny how people say well all that protein will just be poop, yet they never say all that fat or carbs will just be in the toilet, b/c your body will make use of most of what you eat, one way or another.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Most of poop is made of bacteria, funny how people say well all that protein will just be poop, yet they never say all that fat or carbs will just be in the toilet, b/c your body will make use of most of what you eat, one way or another.[/quote]
But dietary fat needs nothing digested to pass through the small intestine. Nearly no dietary fat will be passes through the bowels.
I guess also what needs to be noted is what is NEEDED vs what is optimal. 2 totally different things.
And what is optimal for health would be different than what is optimal for looking to gain a bit of extra muscle
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
X or any one else who is eating 300 grams of protein a day, I’m very curious to see what your daily eating looks like. I swear with all that protein the toilet is always calling your name. If it is not too much to ask, could you post your daily diet?[/quote]
9/16/2012
4 eggs
1010 grams Beef top loin
260 grams Broccoli
6 slices pepper jack cheese
4 cups spinach
4 tbsp Coconut oil
135 grams asparagus
Days total:
Calories: 3300
Carbs: 30
Fat: 170
Pro: 334
I am currently backloading my carbs a la John Kiefer, today was a non training day thus the low carbs. On training days I just switch the calories from fats to calories from carbs.
No protein shakes, it mostly comes from red meat. I take 1-2 dumps a day and have no stomach issues. The protein stays consistent the carbs and the fats are the only thing that changes day to day.
Stats:
6’0"
210
BF% unknown, abs are visible
[quote]MacSaintson wrote:
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
X or any one else who is eating 300 grams of protein a day, I’m very curious to see what your daily eating looks like. I swear with all that protein the toilet is always calling your name. If it is not too much to ask, could you post your daily diet?[/quote]
9/16/2012
4 eggs
1010 grams Beef top loin
260 grams Broccoli
6 slices pepper jack cheese
4 cups spinach
4 tbsp Coconut oil
135 grams asparagus
Days total:
Calories: 3300
Carbs: 30
Fat: 170
Pro: 334
I am currently backloading my carbs a la John Kiefer, today was a non training day thus the low carbs. On training days I just switch the calories from fats to calories from carbs.
No protein shakes, it mostly comes from red meat. I take 1-2 dumps a day and have no stomach issues. The protein stays consistent the carbs and the fats are the only thing that changes day to day.
Stats:
6’0"
210
BF% unknown, abs are visible[/quote]
Thanks for the post. 1010 grams of beef top loin, is that like steak or what? haha What do your lifts look like?
Top is just a cut of steak I usually rotate my protein sources and just eat a high amount of 1 a day.
I am a powerlifter best in meet/gym totals
Squat: 405/425( last training session)
Deadlift: 530/530
Bench: 315/325
[quote]MacSaintson wrote:
Top is just a cut of steak I usually rotate my protein sources and just eat a high amount of 1 a day.
I am a powerlifter best in meet/gym totals
Squat: 405/425( last training session)
Deadlift: 530/530
Bench: 315/325
[/quote]
Thanks again! Very nice lifts!!!
[quote]RootX wrote:
Hi,
I studied biochemistry. I mean, studied it at college, for 5 years. Not just read studies.
The first thing I would say is that the nutrition studies, for most of them, are crap. Most of them are sponsored by companies, and if you read every study, you would end up schizophrenic because for each study there is a counter study.
Every physician or nutritionist will tell a man that he needs to eat at least 0.8 g / kg of body mass if he wants to keep his muscles and maintain the active muscle mass. But that’s for somebody who does not train.
For sports involving anaerobic strength (like football, rugby), the recommanded amounts are 2 to 2,5 g / kg of body mass. It s also recommanded for strength trainers and some bodybuilders will eat more.
The truth is that if you take the chemical reactions involved in anabolism, you will see that theoretically, most of this protein will end up right in the toilets. It will also put a lot of strain on your kidneys.
That’s not really true because your stomach is not a perfect machine so some of the ingested protein will be destroyed or wasted and at the end, those 50 g you ate are probably more like 30 35g.
On my side, I am not a professionnal BBer. I am mainly strength training because I like it and want to be bigger for my sport.
What I saw is that I can do OK with 1 / 1.5 g of protein but I won’t grow a lot. Under 1 g/kg, I feel crappy the days after working out. Between 1.5 / 2g I start to put on muscle. Over 2.5g, I get fastly digestive issues and sometimes kidney fatigue.
What I mean by that is that it s mostly a personnal trial & error thing. If you re ok eating 400 g prot a day and putting muscle on, then go on… [/quote]
Kidney fatigue?
How do you know you have it? Do your kidneys complain of feeling sluggish?
With all due respect to your education…
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]RootX wrote:
Hi,
I studied biochemistry. I mean, studied it at college, for 5 years. Not just read studies.
The first thing I would say is that the nutrition studies, for most of them, are crap. Most of them are sponsored by companies, and if you read every study, you would end up schizophrenic because for each study there is a counter study.
Every physician or nutritionist will tell a man that he needs to eat at least 0.8 g / kg of body mass if he wants to keep his muscles and maintain the active muscle mass. But that’s for somebody who does not train.
For sports involving anaerobic strength (like football, rugby), the recommanded amounts are 2 to 2,5 g / kg of body mass. It s also recommanded for strength trainers and some bodybuilders will eat more.
The truth is that if you take the chemical reactions involved in anabolism, you will see that theoretically, most of this protein will end up right in the toilets. It will also put a lot of strain on your kidneys.
That’s not really true because your stomach is not a perfect machine so some of the ingested protein will be destroyed or wasted and at the end, those 50 g you ate are probably more like 30 35g.
On my side, I am not a professionnal BBer. I am mainly strength training because I like it and want to be bigger for my sport.
What I saw is that I can do OK with 1 / 1.5 g of protein but I won’t grow a lot. Under 1 g/kg, I feel crappy the days after working out. Between 1.5 / 2g I start to put on muscle. Over 2.5g, I get fastly digestive issues and sometimes kidney fatigue.
What I mean by that is that it s mostly a personnal trial & error thing. If you re ok eating 400 g prot a day and putting muscle on, then go on… [/quote]
Kidney fatigue?
How do you know you have it? Do your kidneys complain of feeling sluggish?
With all due respect to your education…[/quote]
dude, you gotta do high reps of protein intake so the kidneys don’t fatigue.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]RootX wrote:
Hi,
I studied biochemistry. I mean, studied it at college, for 5 years. Not just read studies.
The first thing I would say is that the nutrition studies, for most of them, are crap. Most of them are sponsored by companies, and if you read every study, you would end up schizophrenic because for each study there is a counter study.
Every physician or nutritionist will tell a man that he needs to eat at least 0.8 g / kg of body mass if he wants to keep his muscles and maintain the active muscle mass. But that’s for somebody who does not train.
For sports involving anaerobic strength (like football, rugby), the recommanded amounts are 2 to 2,5 g / kg of body mass. It s also recommanded for strength trainers and some bodybuilders will eat more.
The truth is that if you take the chemical reactions involved in anabolism, you will see that theoretically, most of this protein will end up right in the toilets. It will also put a lot of strain on your kidneys.
That’s not really true because your stomach is not a perfect machine so some of the ingested protein will be destroyed or wasted and at the end, those 50 g you ate are probably more like 30 35g.
On my side, I am not a professionnal BBer. I am mainly strength training because I like it and want to be bigger for my sport.
What I saw is that I can do OK with 1 / 1.5 g of protein but I won’t grow a lot. Under 1 g/kg, I feel crappy the days after working out. Between 1.5 / 2g I start to put on muscle. Over 2.5g, I get fastly digestive issues and sometimes kidney fatigue.
What I mean by that is that it s mostly a personnal trial & error thing. If you re ok eating 400 g prot a day and putting muscle on, then go on… [/quote]
Kidney fatigue?
How do you know you have it? Do your kidneys complain of feeling sluggish?
With all due respect to your education…[/quote]
dude, you gotta do high reps of protein intake so the kidneys don’t fatigue.[/quote]
Ah!
Thanks
I weigh in the high 160’s and so far today I have had more than 160 grams which is not enough for the day. Ive also had over 200 grams of carbs and a decent amount of fat. I’m still hungry and if I dont eat another big meal today I think I will be below maintenance. I believe that for muscle gain you need at least 1.5x BW almost every day.
Went to s seminar by Dan benardot, PhD, rd, ld, facsm two days ago he said all of his elite athletes only needed roughly 90 a day no more than 1g per kg. I’ll probably never take this advice he also said they had trouble building muscle on this amount if only split in 3 meals but if split in 6 they gained lean mass
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
Went to s seminar by Dan benardot, PhD, rd, ld, facsm two days ago he said all of his elite athletes only needed roughly 90 a day no more than 1g per kg. I’ll probably never take this advice he also said they had trouble building muscle on this amount if only split in 3 meals but if split in 6 they gained lean mass[/quote]
elite athletes are not good subjects. They’ve been known to have horrible diets and still be successful
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
I weigh in the high 160’s and so far today I have had more than 160 grams which is not enough for the day. Ive also had over 200 grams of carbs and a decent amount of fat. I’m still hungry and if I dont eat another big meal today I think I will be below maintenance. I believe that for muscle gain you need at least 1.5x BW almost every day.[/quote]
sir i’d like to say you need more carbs.
I use to be a fan of lower carb but honestly the next time i start trying to gain I’m going to make carbs 40-55% of my total caloric intake
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
Went to s seminar by Dan benardot, PhD, rd, ld, facsm two days ago he said all of his elite athletes only needed roughly 90 a day no more than 1g per kg. I’ll probably never take this advice he also said they had trouble building muscle on this amount if only split in 3 meals but if split in 6 they gained lean mass[/quote]
elite athletes are not good subjects. They’ve been known to have horrible diets and still be successful[/quote]
My roommate in college played football. He ate cheeseburgers, pizza and beer all of the time and never looked like he was much more than 10% body fat at over 235lbs.
I wouldn’t exactly start recommending all newbs start doing the same.
[quote]MacSaintson wrote:
Heres the deal, I dont know anybody who consumes under 200 grams of protein a day that I would want to look or perform like. All the people whose eyes get large when I disclose that I eat well over 250 grams of protein a day then proceed to tell me it is unnecessary cannot get under my bar weight and generally suck at life.[/quote]
I was only taking in about 120g of protein a day, sometimes as little as 80g, at my strongest (1130lb total at 170lbs). Of course, I didn’t look that great. I get 160-200g these days and am getting back to strong… also look a lot better. So there’s that.
But I do believe in the 1g:lb of bodyweight ratio.
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
[quote]Michael Crehan wrote:
I weigh in the high 160’s and so far today I have had more than 160 grams which is not enough for the day. Ive also had over 200 grams of carbs and a decent amount of fat. I’m still hungry and if I dont eat another big meal today I think I will be below maintenance. I believe that for muscle gain you need at least 1.5x BW almost every day.[/quote]
sir i’d like to say you need more carbs.
I use to be a fan of lower carb but honestly the next time i start trying to gain I’m going to make carbs 40-55% of my total caloric intake[/quote]
Good decision.
For the record, you are probably already bigger than most here. Good work.
[quote]animus wrote:
[quote]MacSaintson wrote:
Heres the deal, I dont know anybody who consumes under 200 grams of protein a day that I would want to look or perform like. All the people whose eyes get large when I disclose that I eat well over 250 grams of protein a day then proceed to tell me it is unnecessary cannot get under my bar weight and generally suck at life.[/quote]
I was only taking in about 120g of protein a day, sometimes as little as 80g, at my strongest (1130lb total at 170lbs). Of course, I didn’t look that great. I get 160-200g these days and am getting back to strong… also look a lot better. So there’s that.
But I do believe in the 1g:lb of bodyweight ratio.[/quote]
that is a very respectable total for your weight class. Are you in the same weight class currently with the higher protein intake, and would you say that it is beneficial?
[quote]MacSaintson wrote:
that is a very respectable total for your weight class. Are you in the same weight class currently with the higher protein intake, and would you say that it is beneficial?[/quote]
I’m at the same weight class right now, but at 160lbs. I’m still recovering from a strength decline post-injury, so it’s really difficult to gauge whether the extra protein is beneficial for my strength. My current total is 1070.
So I don’t know. My diet’s a lot cleaner now and I’m trying to climb up in weight. I know the extra protein has slowed my weight gain (to be fair, I ate a lot of crap and the 10lb difference was mostly fat, I’m betting). Strength-wise and as far as how I feel, I don’t think it’s made much of a difference other than that I shit far more frequently than I used to. So, yeah, so far the only dramatic differences I’ve noticed is in physique/amount of muscle mass/fat percentage.