Yeah, I lurk a lot…but I know a bunch of you love to hate an article full of red meat and wanted to share this one:
Sadly, most of my nutrition profs would agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Ornish.
Oh Jesus, not this shit.
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DO: There are more and more healthy prepared and frozen meals on the market. [/quote]
Yeaaaaaaa.
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.
If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.
If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
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Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.
Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.
Those fuckers need to read “The Vegetarian Myth”.
Our teeth, digestive tracts… everything points to a flesh-based diet.
Eating allot of anything and being a fat lazy bitch will make you fat. Who knew?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.
If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
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Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.
Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.[/quote]
At times the article seems to chose its wording a little too carefully to be plainly explaining a doctor’s findings. Wasn’t there an article on here about how you could take the same ‘arm program’ and with strategic use of either ‘toned’ or ‘massive’ you could target it to fitness bunnies or guys looking to be totally sw0le?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.
If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
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Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.
Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.[/quote]
Do you care about your health Professor X?
[quote]Stength4life wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.
If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
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Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.
Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.[/quote]
Do you care about your health Professor X?[/quote]
Do guys like you get a thrill out of simply bringing my name up? Do YOU care about your health? What human walking around outside of someone suicidal does NOT care about their health at all?
Being clever…how is that working out for you?
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.
If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
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I think much of it is a misrepresentation of facts, or presentation of highly debated topics as decided issues - such as this: “Too much animal protein, especially red meat, has been linked with significantly increased risks of heart disease, prostate cancer, breast cancer and colon cancer.”
Followed by:
“For example, a study published last year in the Archives of Internal Medicine reported the findings from a half-million people in the NIH-AARP study that consumption of red meat was significantly associated with increases in total mortality, cardiovascular mortality and cancer mortality.”
So he’s deriding all red meat. He’s very careful about how he talks about animal protein. To me, it’s thinly disguised vegetarian propaganda:
“For example, a recent study published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association by Miller et al showed that flow-mediated vasodilation (a measure of heart disease), LDL-cholesterol and inflammation worsened on a high-animal-protein diet but improved significantly on a low-fat, whole foods, plant-based diet.”
And
"KF: Does it make a difference if the protein in our diet is vegetarian or animal?
DO: Yes. To paraphrase Gertrude Stein, a calorie is a calorie is a calorie in its effects on weight but not on health."
Emphasis is mine. I’ve got no problem with vegetarianism, but saying or implying that it’s healthier is factually wrong. He doesn’t give lean meat (or even fattier cuts that have been grass-fed) credit at all. I was just annoyed by it (as much as I’m annoyed by any article from Shugart, Berardi, or Lowery that might tweak facts or omit information to suit their needs). It’s followed by an article discussing vaccines and autism. shrug
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.
If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
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Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.
Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.[/quote]
It’s crazy how much that these images of what a “high protein diet” consists of show up. I was recently watching a video about protein in my nutritions class that showed pictures and videos of people eating bacon, sausage, and other shit while they were talking about high protein diets. It then promptly showed some fatass walking on a treadmill stating that the only way that these protein diets work is if you actually work out.
God forbid! The video claimed that these high protein diets not only dont work, but could be toxic as well! And here I was, sitting with a tub of protein in my bookbag from lifting earlier, chuckling.
[quote]blake2616 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.
If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
[/quote]
Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.
Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.[/quote]
At times the article seems to chose its wording a little too carefully to be plainly explaining a doctor’s findings. Wasn’t there an article on here about how you could take the same ‘arm program’ and with strategic use of either ‘toned’ or ‘massive’ you could target it to fitness bunnies or guys looking to be totally sw0le?[/quote]
This actually sounds quite hilarious. Might you have a link on hand by any chance?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Those fuckers need to read “The Vegetarian Myth”.
Our teeth, digestive tracts… everything points to a flesh-based diet.
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The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability. By Lierre Keith
I think it should be pretty clear by now that too much of anything is bad for you, um, except protein of course, you can’t possibly have too much protein. Regardless of how much you consume it will always be good for you. Yes, that makes complete sense, we can all sleep tonight knowing this.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think it should be pretty clear by now that too much of anything is bad for you, um, except protein of course, you can’t possibly have too much protein. Regardless of how much you consume it will always be good for you. Yes, that makes complete sense, we can all sleep tonight knowing this.
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I am open to whatever studies you can find done on healthy regular weight lifters who train 4-8 hours a week or more showing protein to be detrimental to health in and of itself.
Most uppity vegetarians I meet are shocked to find out what I actually eat. They seem to assume all meat eaters live on Whoppers and meat lover’s pizzas. In fact, they usually eat more processed foods and things like cake, cookies and candies in a month than I do in an entire year.
Non-uppity vegetarians are smart enough to understand that some meat eaters do not survive on fast food.
[quote]Artemisia wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.
If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
[/quote]
I think much of it is a misrepresentation of facts, or presentation of highly debated topics as decided issues - such as this: “Too much animal protein, especially red meat, has been linked with significantly increased risks of heart disease, prostate cancer, breast cancer and colon cancer.”
Followed by:
“For example, a study published last year in the Archives of Internal Medicine reported the findings from a half-million people in the NIH-AARP study that consumption of red meat was significantly associated with increases in total mortality, cardiovascular mortality and cancer mortality.”
So he’s deriding all red meat. He’s very careful about how he talks about animal protein. To me, it’s thinly disguised vegetarian propaganda:
“For example, a recent study published in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association by Miller et al showed that flow-mediated vasodilation (a measure of heart disease), LDL-cholesterol and inflammation worsened on a high-animal-protein diet but improved significantly on a low-fat, whole foods, plant-based diet.”
And
"KF: Does it make a difference if the protein in our diet is vegetarian or animal?
DO: Yes. To paraphrase Gertrude Stein, a calorie is a calorie is a calorie in its effects on weight but not on health."
Emphasis is mine. I’ve got no problem with vegetarianism, but saying or implying that it’s healthier is factually wrong. He doesn’t give lean meat (or even fattier cuts that have been grass-fed) credit at all.
I was just annoyed by it (as much as I’m annoyed by any article from Shugart, Berardi, or Lowery that might tweak facts or omit information to suit their needs). It’s followed by an article discussing vaccines and autism. shrug
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Just about anything is debatable though, isn’t it? This being the internet and all. We can debate the methodology of the study, the population sample, even the credentials of the people who collaborated to execute the study.
Cause this is the internet, where “You are right, but I am righter!” reigns supreme.
Actually, I could not give less of a shit about the article or its effects on society. If a person gets dietary information from the Huffington Post, they probably don’t give a rats ass about their cardiovascular health, and even if presented with absolute incontrovertible fact, would draw a faulty conclusion.
On vegetarianism- I think it is ridiculous. It flies in the face of millions of years of human development, and imposes ethical standards upon something that does not require ethical standards.
Then we agree?
Of course it’s debatable, which is why I wrote that my main beef is that they presented things as facts that are in actuality highly debated.
Heh. Speaking of uppity vegetarians, I had no idea that the book “Skinny Bitch” was actually vegan propaganda until an acquaintance of mine commented that I should read it, and start “eating healthy” (vegan), not “whatever it is that I’m eating now.” Yes, she’s fat. :-/
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As an aside, Dean Ornish is one of the guys who kept the low-fat craze going into the 1990s. I thought the name sounded familiar, and apparently he’s still around. The Ornish Diet: 10% kcals from fat/70-75% kcals from carbs/15-20% kcals from protein. Less than 5 mg cholesterol per day. Also, “exclude all meat and dairy products, except egg whites, nonfat milk and nonfat yogurt.” Yum!
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Most uppity vegetarians I meet are shocked to find out what I actually eat. They seem to assume all meat eaters live on Whoppers and meat lover’s pizzas. In fact, they usually eat more processed foods and things like cake, cookies and candies in a month than I do in an entire year.
Non-uppity vegetarians are smart enough to understand that some meat eaters do not survive on fast food. [/quote]
Very true lol…Yet I won’t lie I eat my 4-5 whopper jrs, and pizza here or there…Why? Cause I work out 4-6 times a week and I’m a lean bastard trying build muscle :P.
Most people see me eating huge meals all the time and are like OMG can’t believe you’re not huge/fat by now…I nicely tell them, "Well don’t you think me busting ass in the gym day in day out has something to do with it? "