How Hardcore are You?

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…we really can’t discuss “hardcore” in the sense of weight lifting in a serious discussion on the site?

It may all be relative, but I am pretty sure I am more “hardcore” in the gym than the people who look the same or worse over the same time period. That doesn’t mean the “single mother of three” isn’t hardcore at “being a mother”…but she damn sure isn’t “hardcore” in the gym so it’s a good thing we aren’t discussing her.[/quote]

So would it be logical to conclude that under your analysis the fictional character “Rudy” should have just looked for another hobby, and that the more talented scholarship athletes on his team were “hardcore” because they got better results over the same time period?

If “hardcore” is only measured by results, and not perseverance and effort, then I know a helluva lot of soft-ass “hardcore” people. I’m not sure I want to be “hardcore”. [/quote]

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Let me ask you something…do they give the A grade and degree to the kid who actually makes the A…or the kid who tried really really hard and stayed up every night studying but who failed the class?

All of that effort means nothing without results…but clearly you are one of the ones giving gold stars to kids who simply show up to class and “try”.

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…and to the other point you eluded to, I know some smart guys who barely studied. In the end, it was STLL about the results and not how much time they put in specifically.

Don’t hate the playa…hate the game…silly rabbit.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…we really can’t discuss “hardcore” in the sense of weight lifting in a serious discussion on the site?

It may all be relative, but I am pretty sure I am more “hardcore” in the gym than the people who look the same or worse over the same time period. That doesn’t mean the “single mother of three” isn’t hardcore at “being a mother”…but she damn sure isn’t “hardcore” in the gym so it’s a good thing we aren’t discussing her.[/quote]

So would it be logical to conclude that under your analysis the fictional character “Rudy” should have just looked for another hobby, and that the more talented scholarship athletes on his team were “hardcore” because they got better results over the same time period?

If “hardcore” is only measured by results, and not perseverance and effort, then I know a helluva lot of soft-ass “hardcore” people. I’m not sure I want to be “hardcore”. [/quote]

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Let me ask you something…do they give the A grade and degree to the kid who actually makes the A…or the kid who tried really really hard and stayed up every night studying but who failed the class?

All of that effort means nothing without results…but clearly you are one of the ones giving gold stars to kids who simply show up to class and “try”.[/quote]

Not to be argumentative but would physical ability/disability etc come into play?

Take that teen surfer chick that got her arm bit off by a shark. She’s still surfing. I’d like to think of that as hardcore.

That 127 Hours movie guy. Chops off his own arm to free himself from a boulder. He still climbs. Hardcore.

The guys here on this site who are part paralyzed and there they are in the gym everyday, rocking the parts that aren’t paralyzed. That’s hardcore.

If I were asked to define hardcore, I would take these kinds of cases into account.

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I’m not hardcore, I’m just efficient.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and to the other point you eluded to, I know some smart guys who barely studied. In the end, it was STLL about the results and not how much time they put in specifically.

Don’t hate the playa…hate the game…silly rabbit.[/quote]

I’m one of those smart guys that barely studies. Does that make me hardcore under your reasoning?

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[quote]postholedigger wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…we really can’t discuss “hardcore” in the sense of weight lifting in a serious discussion on the site?

It may all be relative, but I am pretty sure I am more “hardcore” in the gym than the people who look the same or worse over the same time period. That doesn’t mean the “single mother of three” isn’t hardcore at “being a mother”…but she damn sure isn’t “hardcore” in the gym so it’s a good thing we aren’t discussing her.[/quote]

So would it be logical to conclude that under your analysis the fictional character “Rudy” should have just looked for another hobby, and that the more talented scholarship athletes on his team were “hardcore” because they got better results over the same time period?

If “hardcore” is only measured by results, and not perseverance and effort, then I know a helluva lot of soft-ass “hardcore” people. I’m not sure I want to be “hardcore”. [/quote]

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Let me ask you something…do they give the A grade and degree to the kid who actually makes the A…or the kid who tried really really hard and stayed up every night studying but who failed the class?

All of that effort means nothing without results…but clearly you are one of the ones giving gold stars to kids who simply show up to class and “try”.[/quote]

Not to be argumentative but would physical ability/disability etc come into play?

Take that teen surfer chick that got her arm bit off by a shark. She’s still surfing. I’d like to think of that as hardcore.

That 127 Hours movie guy. Chops off his own arm to free himself from a boulder. He still climbs. Hardcore.

The guys here on this site who are part paralyzed and there they are in the gym everyday, rocking the parts that aren’t paralyzed. That’s hardcore.

If I were asked to define hardcore, I would take these kinds of cases into account.
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I would say that “hardcore” is succeeding despite a disability or setback. The stand out concept being “success” at something.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]postholedigger wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…we really can’t discuss “hardcore” in the sense of weight lifting in a serious discussion on the site?

It may all be relative, but I am pretty sure I am more “hardcore” in the gym than the people who look the same or worse over the same time period. That doesn’t mean the “single mother of three” isn’t hardcore at “being a mother”…but she damn sure isn’t “hardcore” in the gym so it’s a good thing we aren’t discussing her.[/quote]

So would it be logical to conclude that under your analysis the fictional character “Rudy” should have just looked for another hobby, and that the more talented scholarship athletes on his team were “hardcore” because they got better results over the same time period?

If “hardcore” is only measured by results, and not perseverance and effort, then I know a helluva lot of soft-ass “hardcore” people. I’m not sure I want to be “hardcore”. [/quote]

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Let me ask you something…do they give the A grade and degree to the kid who actually makes the A…or the kid who tried really really hard and stayed up every night studying but who failed the class?

All of that effort means nothing without results…but clearly you are one of the ones giving gold stars to kids who simply show up to class and “try”.[/quote]

Not to be argumentative but would physical ability/disability etc come into play?

Take that teen surfer chick that got her arm bit off by a shark. She’s still surfing. I’d like to think of that as hardcore.

That 127 Hours movie guy. Chops off his own arm to free himself from a boulder. He still climbs. Hardcore.

The guys here on this site who are part paralyzed and there they are in the gym everyday, rocking the parts that aren’t paralyzed. That’s hardcore.

If I were asked to define hardcore, I would take these kinds of cases into account.
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I would say that “hardcore” is succeeding despite a disability or setback. The stand out concept being “success” at something.[/quote]

“Hardcore” is a qualification of effort. That’s what the word, however colloquial, means.

“Success” or “excellence” would be a qualification of results. “Failure” is another.

If your point is that effort is meaningless without results, then is the term “hardcore” not meaningless?

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Apperantly you have to lose your arm some how to be considered hardcore lol

Also, the “fictional character Rudy” wasn’t a fictional character. “Rudy” was short for the guys last name. Just sayin

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Presenting captain hardcore

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[quote]metamorphic wrote:

“Hardcore” is a qualification of effort. That’s what the word, however colloquial, means.

“Success” or “excellence” would be a qualification of results. “Failure” is another.

If your point is that effort is meaningless without results, then is the term “hardcore” not meaningless?
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Gee, I think I will stick with Webster’s over you.

[quote]hard core noun
Definition of HARD CORE

1
: a central or fundamental and usually enduring group or part: as
a : a relatively small enduring core of society marked by apparent resistance to change or inability to escape a persistent wretched condition (as poverty or chronic unemployment)
b : a militant or fiercely loyal faction
2
usually hard·core chiefly British : hard material in pieces (as broken bricks or stone) used as a bottom (as in making roads and in foundations)[/quote]

Hardcore in bodybuilding means the guys who give this everything…or not, but still have the most to show for it. Yeah, it sucks if you are one of the ones not making any progress…but then, if I was spending years putting in the focus that I do for nothing, I would find a new hobby.

Hardcore isn’t just about who puts in the most effort but also how much focus you devote to this and yes, your results.

No, the guy who has been “training hard” for 15 years but still weighs the same and looks untrained may be “hardcore” in his own mind…but that would be the only place.

But then, am sure you and others will keep looking for some reason to judge amputees and mothers of 4 as the only gauge in the gym of what “hardcore” means.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I would say that “hardcore” is succeeding despite a disability or setback. The stand out concept being “success” at something.[/quote]

But success by itself isn’t any benchmark for being hardcore.

Hardcore is about SACRIFICE in order to obtain a goal. How much you are willing to sacrifice in order to achieve the result you want is the measure of how hardcore you are.

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[quote]talldude wrote:

Hardcore is about SACRIFICE in order to obtain a goal. [/quote]

Hmmmm…so what do you call the ones who never get there or obtain it?

Look, lifting weights for half a decade with nothing to show for it is NOT hardcore…even though some of you seem to be trying hard to make it seem that way.

In bodybuilding, the goal is to actually build your body up. If you never do that, then you didn’t even meet the entrance requirement.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]talldude wrote:

Hardcore is about SACRIFICE in order to obtain a goal. [/quote]

Hmmmm…so what do you call the ones who never get there or obtain it?

Look, lifting weights for half a decade with nothing to show for it is NOT hardcore…even though some of you seem to be trying hard to make it seem that way.

In bodybuilding, the goal is to actually build your body up. If you never do that, then you didn’t even meet the entrance requirement.[/quote]

I would say it could fall under the intensely loyal definition… but that’s a stretch.

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“…but then, if I was spending years putting in the focus that I do for nothing, I would find a new hobby.”

Cuz you’re not hardcore. Just successful. As you say, you keep training hard because you have continual positive feedback. If you didn’t, you would quit. Quitting is most certainly not hardcore.

"No, the guy who has been “training hard” for 15 years but still weighs the same and looks untrained may be “hardcore” in his own mind…but that would be the only place. "

Totally. But this person doesn’t exist.

“But then, am sure you and others will keep looking for some reason to judge amputees and mothers of 4 as the only gauge in the gym of what “hardcore” means.”

So if I was born with the body of a Mr. Olympia, would I be hardcore?

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Hardcore is kind of like MILF, you can’t self-assign it.

Except DarkNinja. I think she’s hardcore enough to say she’s hardcore.

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[quote]Wilba wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Wilba wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
It’s easy to be tough when you’re fit, strong and healthy. It’s when you’re in trouble/sick/pain that your character really shines through. See Mike Tyson vs Kevin McBride. Iron Mike throws in the towel with no KO, no injuries etc. This from someone who, in his prime was arguably the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time.[/quote]

I find your interpretation of boxing history disturbing.[/quote]

I assume you think Muhammad Ali could’ve beat a 20-year-old Tyson or some such shit? I did say ‘arguably’ anyway. What’s your point here?[/quote]

I loved Iron Mike but he fought a bunch of chumps. There just weren’t any good heavyweights around during his time. Do you think Buster Douglas could KO Ali? It’s not arguable.[/quote]

Now I see what you’re getting at. Firstly, I don’t love Iron Mike. I think he’s a fucking scumbag. Just happened to be a fucking insane heavyweight who moved like a fast welterweight. Secondly, Buster Douglas defeated Tyson when Tyson was going on 24-years-old, and nearly 5 years after the death of Cus D’Amato. Hardly in his prime. And Douglas defended his title once and lost it to Evander Holyfield.

If you love Mike I’m sure you’ve seen it before but watch 1:25 - 1:33. Not sped up. Keep in mind that blurry thing weighs nearly 220 lbs.

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[quote]metamorphic wrote:

So if I was born with the body of a Mr. Olympia, would I be hardcore?[/quote]

No, but I’d say your Mom’s birth canal was.

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[quote]byukid wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]talldude wrote:

Hardcore is about SACRIFICE in order to obtain a goal. [/quote]

Hmmmm…so what do you call the ones who never get there or obtain it?

Look, lifting weights for half a decade with nothing to show for it is NOT hardcore…even though some of you seem to be trying hard to make it seem that way.

In bodybuilding, the goal is to actually build your body up. If you never do that, then you didn’t even meet the entrance requirement.[/quote]

I would say it could fall under the intensely loyal definition… but that’s a stretch.[/quote]

It is a bit of a stretch but intensely loyal to something is another factor I would consider when calling someone hardcore. Say a runner (for our purposes, lets say he’s non competitive) runs outside 12 miles everyday no matter what. Come hell or high water, literally. Rain? Snow? During a business trip that has him working from six AM till midnight? Blizzard? Heatwave? Nothing makes this guy skip his daily half-marathon. I’d consider him hardcore. Maybe I have low standards but to me success isn’t a prerequisite to the title “hardcore”.

BTW, the definitions quoted from Webster is the definition of “hardcore” the noun. Unless I’m mistaken, the hardcore we’re trying to define in this thread is “hardcore” the adjective, right?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…we really can’t discuss “hardcore” in the sense of weight lifting in a serious discussion on the site?

It may all be relative, but I am pretty sure I am more “hardcore” in the gym than the people who look the same or worse over the same time period. That doesn’t mean the “single mother of three” isn’t hardcore at “being a mother”…but she damn sure isn’t “hardcore” in the gym so it’s a good thing we aren’t discussing her.[/quote]

So would it be logical to conclude that under your analysis the fictional character “Rudy” should have just looked for another hobby, and that the more talented scholarship athletes on his team were “hardcore” because they got better results over the same time period?

If “hardcore” is only measured by results, and not perseverance and effort, then I know a helluva lot of soft-ass “hardcore” people. I’m not sure I want to be “hardcore”. [/quote]

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Let me ask you something…do they give the A grade and degree to the kid who actually makes the A…or the kid who tried really really hard and stayed up every night studying but who failed the class?

All of that effort means nothing without results…but clearly you are one of the ones giving gold stars to kids who simply show up to class and “try”.[/quote]

Hey X, I have a serious question for you; can you have ANY opinion of yours challenged without replying with some bullshit? For the record, I’m not one of those “give everyone a trophy” kinda guy. Are you capable of discussing the OP?

Results without effort is not “hardcore” - it’s called being gifted. Hardcore isn’t a grade in my opinion. It’s a mindset, it’s what you do, it’s your disposition. I’ll say it again, the fictional character Rudy was “hardcore” - the scholarship athletes above him? As in real life, some gifted and lazy, and some indeed hardcore. So no, results don’t make you “hardcore”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and to the other point you eluded to, I know some smart guys who barely studied. In the end, it was STLL about the results and not how much time they put in specifically.

Don’t hate the playa…hate the game…silly rabbit.[/quote]

LOL now I’m a “silly rabbit”. That was clever. I’m “hating the game”.

Why don’t you articulate for us, what the result has to do with being “hardcore”. The result is “success” It’s the journey that defines whether you’re “hardcore”.

Again, using YOUR logic, is the guy that barely studied “hardcore”??? Answer.

Are we discussing the elements of “hardcore”, or are we discussing results.

And who is the “playa” you referring to? smfh