How Hardcore are You?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]postholedigger wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…we really can’t discuss “hardcore” in the sense of weight lifting in a serious discussion on the site?

It may all be relative, but I am pretty sure I am more “hardcore” in the gym than the people who look the same or worse over the same time period. That doesn’t mean the “single mother of three” isn’t hardcore at “being a mother”…but she damn sure isn’t “hardcore” in the gym so it’s a good thing we aren’t discussing her.[/quote]

So would it be logical to conclude that under your analysis the fictional character “Rudy” should have just looked for another hobby, and that the more talented scholarship athletes on his team were “hardcore” because they got better results over the same time period?

If “hardcore” is only measured by results, and not perseverance and effort, then I know a helluva lot of soft-ass “hardcore” people. I’m not sure I want to be “hardcore”. [/quote]

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Let me ask you something…do they give the A grade and degree to the kid who actually makes the A…or the kid who tried really really hard and stayed up every night studying but who failed the class?

All of that effort means nothing without results…but clearly you are one of the ones giving gold stars to kids who simply show up to class and “try”.[/quote]

Not to be argumentative but would physical ability/disability etc come into play?

Take that teen surfer chick that got her arm bit off by a shark. She’s still surfing. I’d like to think of that as hardcore.

That 127 Hours movie guy. Chops off his own arm to free himself from a boulder. He still climbs. Hardcore.

The guys here on this site who are part paralyzed and there they are in the gym everyday, rocking the parts that aren’t paralyzed. That’s hardcore.

If I were asked to define hardcore, I would take these kinds of cases into account.
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I would say that “hardcore” is succeeding despite a disability or setback. [/quote]

Holy fucking shit! Isn’t that the essence of what I originally fucking said? Or did you miss that when you perceived someone was challenging your opinion?

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[quote]metamorphic wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]postholedigger wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
So…we really can’t discuss “hardcore” in the sense of weight lifting in a serious discussion on the site?

It may all be relative, but I am pretty sure I am more “hardcore” in the gym than the people who look the same or worse over the same time period. That doesn’t mean the “single mother of three” isn’t hardcore at “being a mother”…but she damn sure isn’t “hardcore” in the gym so it’s a good thing we aren’t discussing her.[/quote]

So would it be logical to conclude that under your analysis the fictional character “Rudy” should have just looked for another hobby, and that the more talented scholarship athletes on his team were “hardcore” because they got better results over the same time period?

If “hardcore” is only measured by results, and not perseverance and effort, then I know a helluva lot of soft-ass “hardcore” people. I’m not sure I want to be “hardcore”. [/quote]

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Let me ask you something…do they give the A grade and degree to the kid who actually makes the A…or the kid who tried really really hard and stayed up every night studying but who failed the class?

All of that effort means nothing without results…but clearly you are one of the ones giving gold stars to kids who simply show up to class and “try”.[/quote]

Not to be argumentative but would physical ability/disability etc come into play?

Take that teen surfer chick that got her arm bit off by a shark. She’s still surfing. I’d like to think of that as hardcore.

That 127 Hours movie guy. Chops off his own arm to free himself from a boulder. He still climbs. Hardcore.

The guys here on this site who are part paralyzed and there they are in the gym everyday, rocking the parts that aren’t paralyzed. That’s hardcore.

If I were asked to define hardcore, I would take these kinds of cases into account.
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I would say that “hardcore” is succeeding despite a disability or setback. The stand out concept being “success” at something.[/quote]

“Hardcore” is a qualification of effort. That’s what the word, however colloquial, means.

“Success” or “excellence” would be a qualification of results. “Failure” is another.

If your point is that effort is meaningless without results, then is the term “hardcore” not meaningless?
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Exactly

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Apperantly you have to lose your arm some how to be considered hardcore lol

Also, the “fictional character Rudy” wasn’t a fictional character. “Rudy” was short for the guys last name. Just sayin[/quote]

Nitpicking?

I used him to illustrate my point. I wasn’t writing a review of the movie.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Apperantly you have to lose your arm some how to be considered hardcore lol

Also, the “fictional character Rudy” wasn’t a fictional character. “Rudy” was short for the guys last name. Just sayin[/quote]

Also, in the strict sense, when referencing the movie, the character could indeed be considered “fictional” because the movie was a dramatization. The way he was portrayed in that movie is my basis for the illustration, not what occurred in his real life. Just sayin

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]metamorphic wrote:

“Hardcore” is a qualification of effort. That’s what the word, however colloquial, means.

“Success” or “excellence” would be a qualification of results. “Failure” is another.

If your point is that effort is meaningless without results, then is the term “hardcore” not meaningless?
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Gee, I think I will stick with Webster’s over you.

[quote]hard core noun
Definition of HARD CORE

1
: a central or fundamental and usually enduring group or part: as
a : a relatively small enduring core of society marked by apparent resistance to change or inability to escape a persistent wretched condition (as poverty or chronic unemployment)
b : a militant or fiercely loyal faction
2
usually hard�·core chiefly British : hard material in pieces (as broken bricks or stone) used as a bottom (as in making roads and in foundations)[/quote]

Hardcore in bodybuilding means the guys who give this everything…or not, but still have the most to show for it. Yeah, it sucks if you are one of the ones not making any progress…but then, if I was spending years putting in the focus that I do for nothing, I would find a new hobby.

Hardcore isn’t just about who puts in the most effort but also how much focus you devote to this and yes, your results.

No, the guy who has been “training hard” for 15 years but still weighs the same and looks untrained may be “hardcore” in his own mind…but that would be the only place.

But then, am sure you and others will keep looking for some reason to judge amputees and mothers of 4 as the only gauge in the gym of what “hardcore” means.[/quote]

Well, LOL, the above is curious. First you trot out Webster’s definition (in the alleged name of accuracy and authenticity) and then you DEPART from it and addend it with your own personal opinion about results. We get it. You’re hardcore, and no one else is. Don’t hate you, hate the “game” right?

You’re a “doctor” right? Cervical stenosis, herniated discs - major neck surgery consisting of open posterior approach, fixation with instrumentation and screws from C3-7. Less than a year later, I deadlifted a PR 625 in a meet for a submasters drug free State record. I won’t bore you with the rehab, the doubt, the first time I had to use 10lb db to do shoulder presses and the kid that thought I had had a stroke. how just shaving was a challenge. I won’t bore you with the long details…but Dr. Ken Leistner knew hardcore and said so when I stepped to the podium and gave what I had, no matter what i lifted that day, I triumphed. I beat my body and brought it back to something extreme. I think Dr. Ken knows hard core. So, I’m not hating some “game” you’re referring to, whatever that may be.

But if hardcore is indeed results, when are you going to give us some by actually competing, so you can get your hardcore star on your forehead. Results in BB are the standings in a contest among a grouping of similar men. It’s not you and your friends saying, “dude you swole”, “dude you swoller than last year”, or you looking at pictures and saying you swole. it’s stepping on stage, and taking down a place (under your definition).Your last photo looks good…is that BB?

I prefer to think of hardcore as the journey to get there. What I pulled on my comeback day was not nearly as important as the work I did everyday since the surgery for 11 months…I said NO. NO, I will not quit. NO, I am weaker than I was before, but I will not quit. This hurts, no I’m not quitting. You shouldn’t do this…no I’m not quitting. Dude, I won, I was hardcore, before I hit the platform. At least one neuroseurgeon said that shit was over for me…lol claimed I could bb though.

A first year noob is making progress like no one’s business - he must be hardcore. paid no dues…just squat eat and lift.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]talldude wrote:

Hardcore is about SACRIFICE in order to obtain a goal. [/quote]

Hmmmm…so what do you call the ones who never get there or obtain it?

Look, lifting weights for half a decade with nothing to show for it is NOT hardcore…even though some of you seem to be trying hard to make it seem that way.

In bodybuilding, the goal is to actually build your body up. If you never do that, then you didn’t even meet the entrance requirement.[/quote]

build up to be judged at some point you mean. there’s a beauty contest at the end of the rainbow. of course, you can buy the dresses, and the tiaras and practice your dance routine and speech, but you can’t win that lil beauty contest unless you get in the game.

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Man this forum went a LOT more intense than I thought it would. Most “hardcore”(shit, I have to use parentheses now) thing I’ve done was maybe puke and continue working out. Least hardcore thing? Split my cargo shorts during a sqaut… In a smith machine… and left. Different time periods but hell, perspective is a bitch

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used him to illustrate my point. I wasn’t writing a review of the movie. [/quote]

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used him to illustrate my point. I wasn’t writing a review of the movie. [/quote]

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[quote]dianab wrote:

[quote]metamorphic wrote:

So if I was born with the body of a Mr. Olympia, would I be hardcore?[/quote]

No, but I’d say your Mom’s birth canal was.[/quote]

Lol I like this. I was 10 pounds, 12 ounces(no anesthetic)… My mom is definitely hardcore

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used him to illustrate my point. I wasn’t writing a review of the movie. [/quote]

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used him to illustrate my point. I wasn’t writing a review of the movie. [/quote]
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This pic is my background. Gregron you cuttin up?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used him to illustrate my point. I wasn’t writing a review of the movie. [/quote]
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[quote]Bmacres wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used him to illustrate my point. I wasn’t writing a review of the movie. [/quote]
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This pic is my background. Gregron you cuttin up?[/quote]

which pic is that? i used the same quote for all three of my BG trolling posts lol

ummmm im trying to lose a little bit of bodyfat… it is almost summer time after all :slight_smile:

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Bmacres wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I used him to illustrate my point. I wasn’t writing a review of the movie. [/quote]
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This pic is my background. Gregron you cuttin up?[/quote]

which pic is that? i used the same quote for all three of my BG trolling posts lol

ummmm im trying to lose a little bit of bodyfat… it is almost summer time after all :)[/quote]

The American Psycho one. “This Fucking guy”. Funny shit. I loved the book and movie; the exact quote he’s doing is priceless. And good job, between your current photo and previous photo I can tell from your face. And if your face is more cut then you’ve definitely lost bodyfat lol

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]talldude wrote:

Hardcore is about SACRIFICE in order to obtain a goal. [/quote]

Hmmmm…so what do you call the ones who never get there or obtain it?

Look, lifting weights for half a decade with nothing to show for it is NOT hardcore…even though some of you seem to be trying hard to make it seem that way.

In bodybuilding, the goal is to actually build your body up. If you never do that, then you didn’t even meet the entrance requirement.[/quote]

build up to be judged at some point you mean. there’s a beauty contest at the end of the rainbow. of course, you can buy the dresses, and the tiaras and practice your dance routine and speech, but you can’t win that lil beauty contest unless you get in the game. [/quote]

LOL. Is this a fight?

I don’t have to compete to have reached my personal goals.

Once again, the people not reaching any goals can not be called “hardcore”. No one cares how “hard” they think they worked if they get nowhere.

Of course, you can continue making this all about me…but good Gawd we can’t call you original, huh?

If I were you, I would watch that blood pressure.

U mad…and u don’t no Y.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]talldude wrote:

Hardcore is about SACRIFICE in order to obtain a goal. [/quote]

Hmmmm…so what do you call the ones who never get there or obtain it?

Look, lifting weights for half a decade with nothing to show for it is NOT hardcore…even though some of you seem to be trying hard to make it seem that way.

In bodybuilding, the goal is to actually build your body up. If you never do that, then you didn’t even meet the entrance requirement.[/quote]

build up to be judged at some point you mean. there’s a beauty contest at the end of the rainbow. of course, you can buy the dresses, and the tiaras and practice your dance routine and speech, but you can’t win that lil beauty contest unless you get in the game. [/quote]

LOL. Is this a fight?

I don’t have to compete to have reached my personal goals.

Once again, the people not reaching any goals can not be called “hardcore”. No one cares how “hard” they think they worked if they get nowhere.

Of course, you can continue making this all about me…but good Gawd we can’t call you original, huh?

If I were you, I would watch that blood pressure.

U mad…and u don’t no Y.[/quote]

I have to agree with Prof here. I feel like applying the term “hardcore” definitely implies results. If someone titles themself a “harcore lifter”, then I want to see some kind of strength achievement.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]talldude wrote:

Hardcore is about SACRIFICE in order to obtain a goal. [/quote]

Hmmmm…so what do you call the ones who never get there or obtain it?

Look, lifting weights for half a decade with nothing to show for it is NOT hardcore…even though some of you seem to be trying hard to make it seem that way.

In bodybuilding, the goal is to actually build your body up. If you never do that, then you didn’t even meet the entrance requirement.[/quote]

build up to be judged at some point you mean. there’s a beauty contest at the end of the rainbow. of course, you can buy the dresses, and the tiaras and practice your dance routine and speech, but you can’t win that lil beauty contest unless you get in the game. [/quote]

LOL. Is this a fight?

I don’t have to compete to have reached my personal goals.

Once again, the people not reaching any goals can not be called “hardcore”. No one cares how “hard” they think they worked if they get nowhere.

Of course, you can continue making this all about me…but good Gawd we can’t call you original, huh?

If I were you, I would watch that blood pressure.

U mad…and u don’t no Y.[/quote]

Nice use of Luke Cage

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Once again, the people not reaching any goals can not be called “hardcore”. No one cares how “hard” they think they worked if they get nowhere.

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Sisyphus never reached his goal of escaping the underworld. Bet he had fucking huge quads though.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Once again, the people not reaching any goals can not be called “hardcore”. No one cares how “hard” they think they worked if they get nowhere.

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Sisyphus never reached his goal of escaping the underworld. Bet he had fucking huge quads though.
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Game. Set. Match.