[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
I was just asking why want to lift with a suit if you can not lift that without it.
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Because it’s fucking awesome man. They already have machine that allow me to lift insane weights… They are called forklifts! lol. Seriously though, When I have my squat suit on( which is rare because 98% of my training is done raw, it is heavy as fuck and trust me I’M STILL LIFTING THE WEIGHT.
I’m glad you don’t “get it” that’s that many fewer people I have to compete against.
Here’s one for you…I’m into tactical firearms training. I train to fuck shit up with a variety of weaponry. When I go “hand to hand” I’m trying to not get killed and to kill my adversary so that I can continue on fucking shit up. I don’t understand “sport fighting” Why you gonna let a dude punch you in the face or roll around with the goal of “tapping a guy out” NOWHERE other than sport does that shit carryover into anything useful on a battlefield.
See, Sport fighting is one activity and combat training is entirely different. end results and different tools to do the job. Get it now?
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
I was just asking why want to lift with a suit if you can not lift that without it.
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Because it’s fucking awesome man. They already have machine that allow me to lift insane weights… They are called forklifts! lol. Seriously though, When I have my squat suit on( which is rare because 98% of my training is done raw, it is heavy as fuck and trust me I’M STILL LIFTING THE WEIGHT.
I’m glad you don’t “get it” that’s that many fewer people I have to compete against.
Here’s one for you…I’m into tactical firearms training. I train to fuck shit up with a variety of weaponry. When I go “hand to hand” I’m trying to not get killed and to kill my adversary so that I can continue on fucking shit up. I don’t understand “sport fighting” Why you gonna let a dude punch you in the face or roll around with the goal of “tapping a guy out” NOWHERE other than sport does that shit carryover into anything useful on a battlefield.
See, Sport fighting is one activity and combat training is entirely different. end results and different tools to do the job. Get it now?
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Yeah, but at least they have different names.
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
As you can probably tell I am really new to lifting in general and just wanted to ask questions really.
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I’m not even trying to troll you here: less typing please and more lifting. This is real advice.
I suggest a rep for every word you posted in this thread. You pretty much wrote a fucking essay so you got a lot of catch up to do.
Powerlifting is about lifting the most weight possible on 3 lifts, not about being strong. This is the problem with your mentality.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
I was just asking why want to lift with a suit if you can not lift that without it.
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Because it’s fucking awesome man. They already have machine that allow me to lift insane weights… They are called forklifts! lol. Seriously though, When I have my squat suit on( which is rare because 98% of my training is done raw, it is heavy as fuck and trust me I’M STILL LIFTING THE WEIGHT.
I’m glad you don’t “get it” that’s that many fewer people I have to compete against.
Here’s one for you…I’m into tactical firearms training. I train to fuck shit up with a variety of weaponry. When I go “hand to hand” I’m trying to not get killed and to kill my adversary so that I can continue on fucking shit up. I don’t understand “sport fighting” Why you gonna let a dude punch you in the face or roll around with the goal of “tapping a guy out” NOWHERE other than sport does that shit carryover into anything useful on a battlefield.
See, Sport fighting is one activity and combat training is entirely different. end results and different tools to do the job. Get it now?
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Yeah, but at least they have different names.[/quote]
HA, Good point DD.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
yep, impressive lifts… so if that same guy was wearing a deadlift suit and pulling 100# more, it suddenly would be less impressive? It’s still the same guy kicking ass… I don’t see the problem. [/quote]
NO NO NO NO. This was not what I meant. I guess my point was why want to lift another hundred that you can’t lift without a suit. Why not just focus on what you can actually lift with just your body?
Not that it is less impressive.[/quote]
this is just one of those things that you have to try before you get it. I once thought gear was dumb too. Then, my hips were always hurting from squatting 2 times a week. A buddy told me to try some squat briefs. I got pair of single ply and they made my squatting feel really nice. They let me lift more weights and I don’t feel beat up. Since I ain’t beat up, I can lift more often, which makes me suck less. When I suck less, I look better, feel better, and I like that.
Lifting in gear is a challenge in and of itself. Once you master the lifts as best you can the next phase, if you chose to take it, is with gear. Some people compete raw and geared. It’s just fun both ways. Kind of like strippers with big natty tits or big fake tits. They are all fun, just a bit different. In the end we have to decide what’s best for us and what we want to do as individuals.
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Off topic, I train and compete raw and my hips have been barking for a good month now, would it benefit me to train in briefs to alleviate hip pain?
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No this in on topic!
Don’t get squat briefs at first-if you want to continue raw lifting I would consider “power Pants” they are like briefs but not as tight but will really help your hips a lot. Without throwing off your form.
We can talk in our threads if easier I will link you to the power pants.
Ok, I will bite:
It would probably be difficult making the transition. Look at Scott Yard. I think he hit an 1100lb squat in multi. I don’t know what he squats now but I do know he is a competitive raw lifter in the USAPL. So, the answer is, with hard work and consistency, super geared guys would have just a good a chance of doing well in raw competition as anyone else that works hard and is consistent.
This is a stupid question though. As someone who does well with raw lifting and has trained in multi (hope to do my first multi meet in the next 2 years) you have to be really strong to do well in either. My best raw squat is 670. My best squat in multi briefs and a jack squat suit is 700. Multi ply lifting is 100 million percent more technical than raw lifting but raw lifting is a truer test of real strength.
Unless someone has extensive experience in both facets of the sport, I don’t get how an opinion can be formed one way or another.
I will squat 1100 before I die.
Also, I do not understand how flexibility and mobility is sought after with zealot like fanaticism but when a 14 year old girl uses hers to out bench 99% of the “men” on this earth, then she is cheating? Arching is not cheating. If arching is cheating, so is sumo deadlifting.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
Ok, I will bite:
It would probably be difficult making the transition. Look at Scott Yard. I think he hit an 1100lb squat in multi. I don’t know what he squats now but I do know he is a competitive raw lifter in the USAPL. So, the answer is, with hard work and consistency, super geared guys would have just a good a chance of doing well in raw competition as anyone else that works hard and is consistent.
This is a stupid question though. As someone who does well with raw lifting and has trained in multi (hope to do my first multi meet in the next 2 years) you have to be really strong to do well in either. My best raw squat is 670. My best squat in multi briefs and a jack squat suit is 700. Multi ply lifting is 100 million percent more technical than raw lifting but raw lifting is a truer test of real strength.
Unless someone has extensive experience in both facets of the sport, I don’t get how an opinion can be formed one way or another.
I will squat 1100 before I die.
Also, I do not understand how flexibility and mobility is sought after with zealot like fanaticism but when a 14 year old girl uses hers to out bench 99% of the “men” on this earth, then she is cheating? Arching is not cheating. If arching is cheating, so is sumo deadlifting. [/quote]
So much win in this post! And major LOL at the last bit. Totally agree. I always hated sumo pulling but I’m not going to ever call it cheating 
I would like to pull 1000 lb before I die.
MattyXL— I second the power pants comment. Briefs can be great too, but maybe start with power pants just as they won’t change the strength curve too much, and as mentioned above they can still allow you to get quite deep without changing technique much.
Loose briefs can work well also. Beware the bite! haha. I don’t use briefs myself at all, although I have both briefs and a suit. If I start to really tear up my hips, I can always pop them on for a session or two just to relieve the stress. However, most of the time it is a mobility or soft tissue issue (or both) and spending time working out the root problem helps much more that just masking the symptoms. That’s my approach anyways. I’m also squatting narrow these days so there’s not much wear on my hips at all.
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
yep, impressive lifts… so if that same guy was wearing a deadlift suit and pulling 100# more, it suddenly would be less impressive? It’s still the same guy kicking ass… I don’t see the problem. [/quote]
NO NO NO NO. This was not what I meant. I guess my point was why want to lift another hundred that you can’t lift without a suit. Why not just focus on what you can actually lift with just your body?
Not that it is less impressive.[/quote]
this is just one of those things that you have to try before you get it. I once thought gear was dumb too. Then, my hips were always hurting from squatting 2 times a week. A buddy told me to try some squat briefs. I got pair of single ply and they made my squatting feel really nice. They let me lift more weights and I don’t feel beat up. Since I ain’t beat up, I can lift more often, which makes me suck less. When I suck less, I look better, feel better, and I like that.
Lifting in gear is a challenge in and of itself. Once you master the lifts as best you can the next phase, if you chose to take it, is with gear. Some people compete raw and geared. It’s just fun both ways. Kind of like strippers with big natty tits or big fake tits. They are all fun, just a bit different. In the end we have to decide what’s best for us and what we want to do as individuals.
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Your hips hurt after squatting twice a week? Did you stretch or do any mobility work ? Did you address the problem at all?