How Far Would Geared Lifters.....

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[quote]sgdiablo wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]sgdiablo wrote:
Didn’t read all the posts, but if you’re just starting out benching your own weight, maybe you shouldn’t worry about how much gear will help a lifter, ect. Just follow a 5x5, and eat at a surplus, and cross the gear bridge when you come to it. One more thing don’t call yourself weak, it’s a confidence flaw, that does no good, and a HUGE turnoff for girls, trust me. A novice is a better term. [/quote]

Dude I am a master at turning girls off. If I needed your advice on the subject I would ask. As soon as they see me giving my mother a foot massage they get all weird.[/quote]
Sounds like you did…maybe some therapy too
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haha

My girlfriend left her studly boyfriend for me after meeting me at work, a fat nerd who makes her laugh beat a giant manly rugby player (probably not as manly as people posting on powerlifting boards with glorious beards). I think having a boyfriend who cares about you and is interested in your life is far more important than having a man who can say he is strong.

That being said I do need to get less “novicey” :slight_smile:

Also when I say left him for me, she actually dumped him and got with me, but the first way sounds way fucking cooler.

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
let me just end this here…lol [/quote]
Let’s try another spray of this troll repelent

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[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]sgdiablo wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]sgdiablo wrote:
Didn’t read all the posts, but if you’re just starting out benching your own weight, maybe you shouldn’t worry about how much gear will help a lifter, ect. Just follow a 5x5, and eat at a surplus, and cross the gear bridge when you come to it. One more thing don’t call yourself weak, it’s a confidence flaw, that does no good, and a HUGE turnoff for girls, trust me. A novice is a better term. [/quote]

Dude I am a master at turning girls off. If I needed your advice on the subject I would ask. As soon as they see me giving my mother a foot massage they get all weird.[/quote]
Sounds like you did…maybe some therapy too
[/quote]

haha

My girlfriend left her studly boyfriend for me after meeting me at work, a fat nerd who makes her laugh beat a giant manly rugby player (probably not as manly as people posting on powerlifting boards with glorious beards). I think having a boyfriend who cares about you and is interested in your life is far more important than having a man who can say he is strong.

That being said I do need to get less “novicey” :slight_smile:

Also when I say left him for me, she actually dumped him and got with me, but the first way sounds way fucking cooler.[/quote]
Yeah I bet you cuddle with her while watching desperate houswives, and then talk about your feelings afterwards, and you whine about how a 13 year old girl is stronger than you. Thanks for the beard compliment man, I try as best I can to be a strong manly viking

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[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
My girlfriend left her studly boyfriend for me after meeting me at work, a fat nerd who makes her laugh beat a giant manly rugby player (probably not as manly as people posting on powerlifting boards with glorious beards). I think having a boyfriend who cares about you and is interested in your life is far more important than having a man who can say he is strong.

That being said I do need to get less “novicey” :slight_smile:

Also when I say left him for me, she actually dumped him and got with me, but the first way sounds way fucking cooler.[/quote]

That’s because most women are not shallow egotistical pricks that us guys can be. They have different needs and wants than us guys.

congrats on landing a chick. Now go land some good lifting numbers. And yeah, never admit to weaknesses like that. We all suck to some degree. Our jobs are to suck less each day / week / month / year.

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

yep, impressive lifts… so if that same guy was wearing a deadlift suit and pulling 100# more, it suddenly would be less impressive? It’s still the same guy kicking ass… I don’t see the problem. [/quote]

NO NO NO NO. This was not what I meant. I guess my point was why want to lift another hundred that you can’t lift without a suit. Why not just focus on what you can actually lift with just your body?

Not that it is less impressive.[/quote]

this is just one of those things that you have to try before you get it. I once thought gear was dumb too. Then, my hips were always hurting from squatting 2 times a week. A buddy told me to try some squat briefs. I got pair of single ply and they made my squatting feel really nice. They let me lift more weights and I don’t feel beat up. Since I ain’t beat up, I can lift more often, which makes me suck less. When I suck less, I look better, feel better, and I like that.
Lifting in gear is a challenge in and of itself. Once you master the lifts as best you can the next phase, if you chose to take it, is with gear. Some people compete raw and geared. It’s just fun both ways. Kind of like strippers with big natty tits or big fake tits. They are all fun, just a bit different. In the end we have to decide what’s best for us and what we want to do as individuals.
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Off topic, I train and compete raw and my hips have been barking for a good month now, would it benefit me to train in briefs to alleviate hip pain?

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
My girlfriend left her studly boyfriend for me after meeting me at work, a fat nerd who makes her laugh beat a giant manly rugby player (probably not as manly as people posting on powerlifting boards with glorious beards). I think having a boyfriend who cares about you and is interested in your life is far more important than having a man who can say he is strong.

That being said I do need to get less “novicey” :slight_smile:

Also when I say left him for me, she actually dumped him and got with me, but the first way sounds way fucking cooler.[/quote]

That’s because most women are not shallow egotistical pricks that us guys can be. They have different needs and wants than us guys.

congrats on landing a chick. Now go land some good lifting numbers. And yeah, never admit to weaknesses like that. We all suck to some degree. Our jobs are to suck less each day / week / month / year. [/quote]
THIS. The last part anyway. end thread

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[quote]sgdiablo wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]sgdiablo wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]sgdiablo wrote:
Didn’t read all the posts, but if you’re just starting out benching your own weight, maybe you shouldn’t worry about how much gear will help a lifter, ect. Just follow a 5x5, and eat at a surplus, and cross the gear bridge when you come to it. One more thing don’t call yourself weak, it’s a confidence flaw, that does no good, and a HUGE turnoff for girls, trust me. A novice is a better term. [/quote]

Dude I am a master at turning girls off. If I needed your advice on the subject I would ask. As soon as they see me giving my mother a foot massage they get all weird.[/quote]
Sounds like you did…maybe some therapy too
[/quote]

haha

My girlfriend left her studly boyfriend for me after meeting me at work, a fat nerd who makes her laugh beat a giant manly rugby player (probably not as manly as people posting on powerlifting boards with glorious beards). I think having a boyfriend who cares about you and is interested in your life is far more important than having a man who can say he is strong.

That being said I do need to get less “novicey” :slight_smile:

Also when I say left him for me, she actually dumped him and got with me, but the first way sounds way fucking cooler.[/quote]
Yeah I bet you cuddle with her while watching desperate houswives, and then talk about your feelings afterwards, and you whine about how a 13 year old girl is stronger than you. Thanks for the beard compliment man, I try as best I can to be a strong manly viking
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Yes, we talk about “feelings” because we are both adults who care about each other and have the mental capacity to share with one another without worrying about putting ourselves in a vulnerable place.

WE ARE SUCH A COUPLE OF FAGS :stuck_out_tongue:

In all seriousness yes I share my feelings with the person I share my life with, how does this make one less of a man? What is the male ideal? Do you read any Alain Badiou. You must with all the insightful things you ahve shared with me on the subject.

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
My girlfriend left her studly boyfriend for me after meeting me at work, a fat nerd who makes her laugh beat a giant manly rugby player (probably not as manly as people posting on powerlifting boards with glorious beards). I think having a boyfriend who cares about you and is interested in your life is far more important than having a man who can say he is strong.

That being said I do need to get less “novicey” :slight_smile:

Also when I say left him for me, she actually dumped him and got with me, but the first way sounds way fucking cooler.[/quote]

That’s because most women are not shallow egotistical pricks that us guys can be. They have different needs and wants than us guys.

congrats on landing a chick. Now go land some good lifting numbers. And yeah, never admit to weaknesses like that. We all suck to some degree. Our jobs are to suck less each day / week / month / year. [/quote]

Thanks bud.

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[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
Say if someone benched 800 at a meet in full gear with an arch and super wide grip, how would tat translate with a slight arch, no gear and narrower grip?
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I’m not going to read this entire thread since there are 100 more just like it. But in your example of an 800lb equipped bench …

From personal experience, having trained around at least four 800lb equipped benchers, all of them could handle 550+ raw and 2 of them could hit 600 raw, full range on any given day. One of them has gone to hit 600 raw in a meet, with a legit pause (Matt Wenning). I watched Brandon Lilly hit 635 raw off a 2 board but his full range meet bench is ~570 I believe. At least one of the others could probably train to hit 600 raw but doesn’t because of injuries.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

yep, impressive lifts… so if that same guy was wearing a deadlift suit and pulling 100# more, it suddenly would be less impressive? It’s still the same guy kicking ass… I don’t see the problem. [/quote]

NO NO NO NO. This was not what I meant. I guess my point was why want to lift another hundred that you can’t lift without a suit. Why not just focus on what you can actually lift with just your body?

Not that it is less impressive.[/quote]

this is just one of those things that you have to try before you get it. I once thought gear was dumb too. Then, my hips were always hurting from squatting 2 times a week. A buddy told me to try some squat briefs. I got pair of single ply and they made my squatting feel really nice. They let me lift more weights and I don’t feel beat up. Since I ain’t beat up, I can lift more often, which makes me suck less. When I suck less, I look better, feel better, and I like that.
Lifting in gear is a challenge in and of itself. Once you master the lifts as best you can the next phase, if you chose to take it, is with gear. Some people compete raw and geared. It’s just fun both ways. Kind of like strippers with big natty tits or big fake tits. They are all fun, just a bit different. In the end we have to decide what’s best for us and what we want to do as individuals.
[/quote]

Off topic, I train and compete raw and my hips have been barking for a good month now, would it benefit me to train in briefs to alleviate hip pain?
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YES SIR! I have a pair of Titan Centurion boxer briefs that work well but they leave wicked bite marks on my hips / thighs and they stretched out a bit but have held up well. I also have a pair of Metal Pro’s. LOVE em. Had these for 3 years now and they look and fit like they just came out of the box. Very little to zero bite marks. I can sit / squat way below parallel with the briefs on with just body weight or I can toss a belt on and get 75# carryover from them. Hips feel awesome after squatting / pulling in them. I can get into the briefs in 30 seconds with a little wiggling and side stepping while pulling them on. The Titans run $95 the Metals run $190 BUT if you catch a 30% off sale, which is fairly frequent, you can get them for $130ish. I’d jump on that. For me lifting is all about longevity. The briefs have let me train harder than I otherwise could have, which I feel has made me better.

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[quote]frankjl wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
Say if someone benched 800 at a meet in full gear with an arch and super wide grip, how would tat translate with a slight arch, no gear and narrower grip?
[/quote]

I’m not going to read this entire thread since there are 100 more just like it. But in your example of an 800lb equipped bench …

From personal experience, having trained around at least four 800lb equipped benchers, all of them could handle 550+ raw and 2 of them could hit 600 raw, full range on any given day. One of them has gone to hit 600 raw in a meet, with a legit pause (Matt Wenning). I watched Brandon Lilly hit 635 raw off a 2 board but his full range meet bench is ~570 I believe. At least one of the others could probably train to hit 600 raw but doesn’t because of injuries.[/quote]

Very informative dude. Thankyou!

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[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

yep, impressive lifts… so if that same guy was wearing a deadlift suit and pulling 100# more, it suddenly would be less impressive? It’s still the same guy kicking ass… I don’t see the problem. [/quote]

NO NO NO NO. This was not what I meant. I guess my point was why want to lift another hundred that you can’t lift without a suit. Why not just focus on what you can actually lift with just your body?

Not that it is less impressive.[/quote]

this is just one of those things that you have to try before you get it. I once thought gear was dumb too. Then, my hips were always hurting from squatting 2 times a week. A buddy told me to try some squat briefs. I got pair of single ply and they made my squatting feel really nice. They let me lift more weights and I don’t feel beat up. Since I ain’t beat up, I can lift more often, which makes me suck less. When I suck less, I look better, feel better, and I like that.
Lifting in gear is a challenge in and of itself. Once you master the lifts as best you can the next phase, if you chose to take it, is with gear. Some people compete raw and geared. It’s just fun both ways. Kind of like strippers with big natty tits or big fake tits. They are all fun, just a bit different. In the end we have to decide what’s best for us and what we want to do as individuals.
[/quote]

Off topic, I train and compete raw and my hips have been barking for a good month now, would it benefit me to train in briefs to alleviate hip pain?
[/quote]

YES SIR! I have a pair of Titan Centurion boxer briefs that work well but they leave wicked bite marks on my hips / thighs and they stretched out a bit but have held up well. I also have a pair of Metal Pro’s. LOVE em. Had these for 3 years now and they look and fit like they just came out of the box. Very little to zero bite marks. I can sit / squat way below parallel with the briefs on with just body weight or I can toss a belt on and get 75# carryover from them. Hips feel awesome after squatting / pulling in them. I can get into the briefs in 30 seconds with a little wiggling and side stepping while pulling them on. The Titans run $95 the Metals run $190 BUT if you catch a 30% off sale, which is fairly frequent, you can get them for $130ish. I’d jump on that. For me lifting is all about longevity. The briefs have let me train harder than I otherwise could have, which I feel has made me better.
[/quote]

Thanks for the reply man I am going to look into purchasing a pair

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

yep, impressive lifts… so if that same guy was wearing a deadlift suit and pulling 100# more, it suddenly would be less impressive? It’s still the same guy kicking ass… I don’t see the problem. [/quote]

NO NO NO NO. This was not what I meant. I guess my point was why want to lift another hundred that you can’t lift without a suit. Why not just focus on what you can actually lift with just your body?

Not that it is less impressive.[/quote]

this is just one of those things that you have to try before you get it. I once thought gear was dumb too. Then, my hips were always hurting from squatting 2 times a week. A buddy told me to try some squat briefs. I got pair of single ply and they made my squatting feel really nice. They let me lift more weights and I don’t feel beat up. Since I ain’t beat up, I can lift more often, which makes me suck less. When I suck less, I look better, feel better, and I like that.
Lifting in gear is a challenge in and of itself. Once you master the lifts as best you can the next phase, if you chose to take it, is with gear. Some people compete raw and geared. It’s just fun both ways. Kind of like strippers with big natty tits or big fake tits. They are all fun, just a bit different. In the end we have to decide what’s best for us and what we want to do as individuals.
[/quote]

Off topic, I train and compete raw and my hips have been barking for a good month now, would it benefit me to train in briefs to alleviate hip pain?
[/quote]

YES SIR! I have a pair of Titan Centurion boxer briefs that work well but they leave wicked bite marks on my hips / thighs and they stretched out a bit but have held up well. I also have a pair of Metal Pro’s. LOVE em. Had these for 3 years now and they look and fit like they just came out of the box. Very little to zero bite marks. I can sit / squat way below parallel with the briefs on with just body weight or I can toss a belt on and get 75# carryover from them. Hips feel awesome after squatting / pulling in them. I can get into the briefs in 30 seconds with a little wiggling and side stepping while pulling them on. The Titans run $95 the Metals run $190 BUT if you catch a 30% off sale, which is fairly frequent, you can get them for $130ish. I’d jump on that. For me lifting is all about longevity. The briefs have let me train harder than I otherwise could have, which I feel has made me better.
[/quote]

Thanks for the reply man I am going to look into purchasing a pair[/quote]

Here is what I’ve found to be a drawback when wearing suit bottoms/briefs to save my hips…

The weight goes up and my shoulders end up killing me and my hands as well from the weight on my back. I don’t have a big/wide back so that may be part of it. I find it physically less stressful out of gear.

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[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:
Numbers drop if they were lifting totally raw. No straps or belt even and without ridiculous arches?

Say if someone benched 800 at a meet in full gear with an arch and super wide grip, how would tat translate with a slight arch, no gear and narrower grip?

How would wsbb wide squat transfer to non geared athletes?[/quote]

I know several equipped lifters who have talked a lot about what they get. If you took a “typical” fully equipped 2400 pound lifter, say 1000/700/700, you would be seeing about a max of 700/500 in the squat and bench if you just asked them to max raw. You would also probably get between a 600-650 deadlift, let’s say 625. So it translates into a little over 1800 without equipment. But it is critical to realize that these guys who I have talked to don’t train for raw competitions, their strength has been specifically built for geared maxes, and they have put in tons of work, and built strengths in other areas that maximize the geared total.

So those might get adjusted up to 800/600/650+ if the same person had put all of their resources into maxing raw. That’s over a 2000 total for a 2400 equipped guy.

For a couple of 1000 pound squatters I have talked to, they both feel that they could squat 700 without anything but a belt and knee wraps, but they almost exclusively train in a suit. Two bench pressers, one has maxed 370 raw and gets 530. One has maxed in the high 600s raw when he got 1000. One of the squatters however has had over 800 pounds of top end band tension on the bar, plus I think 225 (with a suit). Another issue is that all of their squats look high. What they call squats are 3 inches high by the standards of 25 years ago. Basically their hip and knee joints are in a line but the top of the hip does not get below the top of the knee.

Here is a list of raw world records. http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/raw/world

Personally, my max bench in training has been 357.5. I put on a single ply shirt that was made for a guy 20 pounds heavier than me and I got 400 IMMEDIATELY, and it was less “stressful” or painful than .357.5, though I had to push hard the whole way up.

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It obviously depends on the lifter…

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[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

yep, impressive lifts… so if that same guy was wearing a deadlift suit and pulling 100# more, it suddenly would be less impressive? It’s still the same guy kicking ass… I don’t see the problem. [/quote]

NO NO NO NO. This was not what I meant. I guess my point was why want to lift another hundred that you can’t lift without a suit. Why not just focus on what you can actually lift with just your body?

Not that it is less impressive.[/quote]

this is just one of those things that you have to try before you get it. I once thought gear was dumb too. Then, my hips were always hurting from squatting 2 times a week. A buddy told me to try some squat briefs. I got pair of single ply and they made my squatting feel really nice. They let me lift more weights and I don’t feel beat up. Since I ain’t beat up, I can lift more often, which makes me suck less. When I suck less, I look better, feel better, and I like that.
Lifting in gear is a challenge in and of itself. Once you master the lifts as best you can the next phase, if you chose to take it, is with gear. Some people compete raw and geared. It’s just fun both ways. Kind of like strippers with big natty tits or big fake tits. They are all fun, just a bit different. In the end we have to decide what’s best for us and what we want to do as individuals.
[/quote]

Off topic, I train and compete raw and my hips have been barking for a good month now, would it benefit me to train in briefs to alleviate hip pain?
[/quote]

YES SIR! I have a pair of Titan Centurion boxer briefs that work well but they leave wicked bite marks on my hips / thighs and they stretched out a bit but have held up well. I also have a pair of Metal Pro’s. LOVE em. Had these for 3 years now and they look and fit like they just came out of the box. Very little to zero bite marks. I can sit / squat way below parallel with the briefs on with just body weight or I can toss a belt on and get 75# carryover from them. Hips feel awesome after squatting / pulling in them. I can get into the briefs in 30 seconds with a little wiggling and side stepping while pulling them on. The Titans run $95 the Metals run $190 BUT if you catch a 30% off sale, which is fairly frequent, you can get them for $130ish. I’d jump on that. For me lifting is all about longevity. The briefs have let me train harder than I otherwise could have, which I feel has made me better.
[/quote]

Thanks for the reply man I am going to look into purchasing a pair[/quote]

Here is what I’ve found to be a drawback when wearing suit bottoms/briefs to save my hips…

The weight goes up and my shoulders end up killing me and my hands as well from the weight on my back. I don’t have a big/wide back so that may be part of it. I find it physically less stressful out of gear.
[/quote]

Get the Rehband warm pants. Helps the hips feel better without the pop that the briefs give.

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They’re different sports, end of story. Dave Hoff out-totaled Evgeny Yarymbash by about a hundred pounds in multi-ply, even though they didn’t compete in the same meet (Hoff competes at 275). Yarymbash then beat Malanichiev by about a hundred pounds in single-ply. Malanichiev happens to have the biggest raw total in the world of any active competitor, at something like 2359 lbs.

Does that mean that Dave Hoff would beat Malan in a raw meet? No, but it also means that Malanichiev wouldn’t suddenly be totaling 3200 in multi-ply gear. The multi-ply guys unfairly get a lot of shit for being weak as raw lifters, because in the instances in which raw or single-ply guys have crossed over, their totals haven’t usually been spectacular.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

[quote]sharkOnesie wrote:

[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:

yep, impressive lifts… so if that same guy was wearing a deadlift suit and pulling 100# more, it suddenly would be less impressive? It’s still the same guy kicking ass… I don’t see the problem. [/quote]

NO NO NO NO. This was not what I meant. I guess my point was why want to lift another hundred that you can’t lift without a suit. Why not just focus on what you can actually lift with just your body?

Not that it is less impressive.[/quote]

this is just one of those things that you have to try before you get it. I once thought gear was dumb too. Then, my hips were always hurting from squatting 2 times a week. A buddy told me to try some squat briefs. I got pair of single ply and they made my squatting feel really nice. They let me lift more weights and I don’t feel beat up. Since I ain’t beat up, I can lift more often, which makes me suck less. When I suck less, I look better, feel better, and I like that.
Lifting in gear is a challenge in and of itself. Once you master the lifts as best you can the next phase, if you chose to take it, is with gear. Some people compete raw and geared. It’s just fun both ways. Kind of like strippers with big natty tits or big fake tits. They are all fun, just a bit different. In the end we have to decide what’s best for us and what we want to do as individuals.
[/quote]

Off topic, I train and compete raw and my hips have been barking for a good month now, would it benefit me to train in briefs to alleviate hip pain?
[/quote]

Yes–briefs might help. Simply narrowing your stance for a while could also do the trick.

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To answer your question OP:

This guy is disabled, have ZERO arch or feet support, grips fairly narrow, yet benches only a few pounds less than the World Record for healthy athletes. So no, the wide grip and ridiculous arch don’t help as much as people think.

I’m guessing that bench/squat suits can help you handle maybe 20-30% more weight depending on the person’s leverage and skill at using the suit, but you’d still have to be pretty damn strong raw to do well in equipped.

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[quote]cct wrote:
To answer your question OP:

This guy is disabled, have ZERO arch or feet support, grips fairly narrow, yet benches only a few pounds less than the World Record for healthy athletes. So no, the wide grip and ridiculous arch don’t help as much as people think.

I’m guessing that bench/squat suits can help you handle maybe 20-30% more weight depending on the person’s leverage and skill at using the suit, but you’d still have to be pretty damn strong raw to do well in equipped.[/quote]

Oh yeah I mean clearly if you are squatting 800lbs you are squatting at least 600lbs unequipped.

I really was not implying they are somehow weak, I was just asking why want to lift with a suit if you can not lift that without it. I think it is just something I don’t understand the appeal of, but I am not knocking it. I like rolling around on mats with men, I bet most power lifters consider me the one with questionable interests.

My trouble understanding For example, if someone created a suit that enabled you to lift 80-90-% more than you could raw would people do it or would they think it was irrelevant to how strong you are under real conditions.

I think I just have my own weird ideas of realistic strength. I don’t even like having someone lifting for me off the bench because if I can’t lit it, pause rep it with a consistent slow pace, then I can’t really lift it and I am just using my ego.