Good decision. First, check if you can get salbutamol. Contrary to clenbuterol there are no legal salbutamol tablets on the market as it is usually applied in inhalers. On the black market thereās salbutamol tablets everywhere, usually 5 mg tablets.
Iād take 5 mg upon getting up in the morning and the. 5 mg in the afternoon, at around 3-4 pm.
Clen does it too to the same or greater extent. No difference to clen. Just be careful. If you got chest pain stop. Adrenergic substances switch the oxygen balance in the heart. Can lead to myocardial infarction of excessive cardio is added.
You donāt need that with salbutamol as you get the night off. Just take 2 days off every 2 weeks. You also donāt need to increase the dose as much as with clen. What works in the beginning will work very long.
Thanks man. I checked and I will get salbutamol, original, I can get it from two vrands, one is 5mg per pill and the other one is 8mg (this one is from europe they told me, idk) so I will stick with that. I will just control my bpm and if I feel any pain or uncomfortably, I will immediate stop using it. And for the cardio the same. I will do it but I will be careful
Donāt overstress. Itās the same mechanism as clen. So just do your thing as if it was clen. Just know the risks and watch out for the signs. And for extra safety, do some form EKG or rhythm measurement 2 times a day, for example with your Apple Watch.
I think youāll be pleased with the results and you are definitely doing your heart a favor with the switch.
It depends on the strenght of the heart, man. The fact that you can hit 140 easy, means you need to train a bit more.
The stronger the heart, the harder it is to tire it out.
I disagree with you. And your individual heart rate may be affected by you excessive steroid use. You should take that into consideration when giving your point of view.
Even when I was doing ironman and half-ironman events which required 15-20 hours a week of cardio to be competitive, I was able to train 140-150 bpm. 160 was me red-lining.
Thanks! One more question, I just read that it would be useful to use ketotifen (along with albuyerol cycle) at night, about 1mg? What are your thoughts and why is it useful? Better sleep?
Thereās some evidence that ketotifen (and also some other H1 Antagonists like Diphenhydramine) keep the beta receptors from down regulating. They also induce sleep, thatās why some of them are sold as sleep aids.
The theory (as well as individual evidence) says that when you take it at night, your body is more sensitive to salbutamol/clenbuterol during the day. It also has the additional benefit of putting one to sleep, since many people have trouble sleeping on Clenbuterol.
In my opinion (and this is really only an opinion) it is not necessary for salbutamol but maybe beneficial down the road. I told you to take a break of a few days every few weeks, this could be avoided with ketotifen for a few days every two weeks. But I donāt know for sure. Keep in mind that ketotifen inhibits M receptors as well and can lead to tachycardia, dry mouth and glaucoma. I guess if you used clenbuterol before you know what side effects come with burnt out beta receptors. This can supposedly be avoided by ketotifen. So you could also use it after your cut for a few days to get your sympathetic nervous system back on track. Donāt use it longer than 7-10 days in a row.
I personally would just do it without it this time and then if you have another cut with salbutamol, you can introduce it. Then you personally know whatās working. Definitely make a detailed at least weekly report for this cut, because you wonāt remember next year.
And above link for you OP in case you want to do some pre-reading for later. I hope you wonāt need it but better to go in with your eyes open. Good luck. Iāve been there and no fun.
Someone can ask how to diagnose Idiopathic Intercranial Hypertension in Giraffes and youāll roll up an hour later with an infographic displaying the correlation between Age, Gender and propensity to develop IIH in Giraffe species.
IDK how you do what you do, but youāre not getting paid enough for it.
I appreciate the feedback and kind words. I just thought it was strange for a 30 year old and a 50 year old to be debating maximum HR (or even 90% of max HR) when a 20 year age difference should typically manifest in very different numbers (and 220 - age isnāt the best rule of thumb).
Iām getting the gratification of learning stuff motivated from some of the questions posed on here.
@Andrewgen_Receptors
Speaking of money, this was an interesting article I came across:
My understanding is that VO2max and Max HR (adjusted for age and training) may be higher in AAS users than non-AAS subjects. HRR/HRV would be worse for AAS users demonstrating potential autonomic dysfunction.
I have an interesting experience to share related to this (@unreal24278 i know you love yourself some autonomic dysfunction chat).
I caught covid about a week ago and got sick. It was somewhere between a cold and the flu. The interesting thing that happened was my heart rate. I measure it all day and my heart rate on the two fever days was significantly higher in spite of antipyretic drugs. I had a resting heart rate (laying in bed) of about 100 bpm. The third night of the infection, which was the height of the symptoms, I had a heart rate of over 80 from 10 pm until 6 am and then my heart rate suddenly dropped to the (still high compared to normal) 60s from 6am til 10 am. I slept about 15 hours a day during the height of the disease.
Laying in bed while your heart does 100 bpm for hours is very unpleasant. That is I think how people with autonomic dysfunction feel. I could really feel how my sympathetic nervous system was too on.
Iām sorry to hear that brother and hope you make/made a full recovery. Very unpleasant is a great way to describe it. Near the end of my āTRT/TOTā days (last 12 months) Iād wake up 4-5 nights out of 7 with heart racing (sometimes 120 bpm+) consistently. Still unsure if my initial AFIB bout was COVID related. Former T3 use as well. Iāve been off T for 9 weeks now and heart racing is gone and my FTP has gone back up significantly. I no longer feel my heart is jumping out of my chest when doing heavy squats. Iāll give it a few more weeks and get some blood work. Yeah, the restart transition sucks but not as bad as the heart issues. Then off to the cardiologist for another echo to see if I did any remodeling of the grade 1 diastolic dysfunction.
Thanks for all the awareness and advice you give on hear @lordgains. I appreciate your effort on the harm reduction front. Stay on top of those Echos/EKGs my Pharma friends.
Iām doing good, thanks man. I underestimated how tired covid makes one. I slept so much haha.
You have the bigger challenge ahead. Good luck for your restart endeavors.
The heart is one point in the body where people routinely get way more nervous about than other organs. Probably cause one can feel the impact. Or maybe because if it takes damage, life isnāt what it was.
Iām trying to get people to reduce harm because I know how tempting it is to think pharmaceuticals are a quick and easy solution for everything. I though the same thing when I started my studies. The further I got into them the more I realized thereās no free lunch in medicine. So harm reduction is the way to go. Compared to most people we all on here have a higher tolerance for risk, but we donāt want to tolerate the consequences when they manifest either.
