To all T-men you help is greatly appreciated. Want to get into the best shaped of my life for my 30th B-day in June. Plan to use T2 (SANN 100mg caps), a thermogenic, Mag-10, and yes sorry to say RSOC Turinabol. I have done a search and had some luck but still have a question. What is the max effective dosage of T2. Bill Roberts recommended 300mgs, while I know others have taken more? I believe 50mg of T3 is = to 250mg T2, correct? Was going to do a 12 week cycle. Diet will be high protein and low carbs. Any comments, questions and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Am running out of time, will post more later. Thanks fellas.
As far as T2 was planning on using 300-500mgs daily for 10 weeks then taper down on weeks 11-12 to allow normal thyroid function to return. Mag-10, never used it but had 24 bottles(old-version) given to me. Double dose on that for 12 weeks. The oral RSOC OT 125mg daily for 1st 8 weeks. The thermogenic (Hot-Rox) as recommended on label. I know that its a weak cycle, but its better than being on nothing and already have the stuff on hand, plus no water retention, and mild on the old hair line( for those AAS guys that would comment on this). Diet will be high protein and low carb…very close to the AAS diet outlined by Cy. Goal is to loose BF and gain some LBM. Lets hear what you all have to say.
Alright bro, as far as the T-2, I used Biotests a while ago and didn’t take enough to see results so I’ll leave that for someone else.
Double dosing the Mag-10 for 12 weeks should yield great gains (strength and muscle), and the RSOC T-Bol dosage may be a li’l high (curious where you got your dosage info from). As far as I know, RSOC T-Bol dosage should be double whatever your normal D-Bol dosage is (remember, RSOC t-bol isn’t really t-bol but clostebol), so if you normally would run 50mg of D-Bol, run 100mg of D-bol. What are you running for PCT and do you have nolva for any gyno symptoms? If your diet and training is in order, you should be able to cut up and gain a li’l mass as well.
First of all, I wonder why you’re planning to use an anabolic like Mag-10 with thermogenics and while cutting. This is not usually a recommended combination.
Secondly, everybody’s gonna say you need to figure out your diet first, not supplements.
Thirdly, I think you would be better off taking a longer-term view toward your fitness (and health) goals. If you plan your diet and workout to support fat loss of 1-1.5 pounds per week, you’ll be happy on your birthday in June, and you’ll still be happy - or even happier - by the holidays. You’ll also be healthier, less likely to burn out on your diet and regain all the fat, and less likely to have problems with thyroid suppression from T2.
Colt I really have to agree with andersons. Don’t mess with your thyroid! you can loose the weight by simple arithmitic. Just burn more calories than you take in - simple. By using mag-10, T-bol (I have no experience with either) while dieting will help you preserve muscle. But by stacking in a thermogenic with t2, I don’t think this will help you lower your blood pressure and may have long term consequences such as thyroid suppression. If you want to use something to help you loose fat, try CLA or Hotrox before you go jumping off the deep end!
Stay healthy my friend!
P-22
Thanks for the comments guys. Yes, OT is usually 50-100mg daily, but since its the only “real” AAS I wanted my dosages at around a gram a week. Its only slightly liver(not 17 alkalated) toxic and should be no problem. Have enough Clomid to run during and after cycle, but since Mag-10 or OT does not conver to estrogen gyno should not be a problem. I disagree with the Mag-10 and dieting not being effective,(true if I was after pure mass gains) it was outlined as an alternative to AAS in Cy Wilsons Article…AAS Diet. Diet like I said will be the standard high protein, 2 grams per lb. of lean bodyweight and carbs will be around 100-150 per day. Thanks for your responses.
My recommendations:
2 week cycles of t2 with and E/C stack alternating with a 2 week cycle of MAG10.
If you want, throw some tribex in with the fat burners on the off weeks from the MAG10.
It has ben said before that Hot rox needs no other thermos/fat burner, even recommended that you do not use others, so i would prob take that advice.
As for T2 and EC stack i have found that to be VERY good at dropping the BF. i have tried 4adec for dieting and it was ok, i guess mag 10 would be better. Methoxy is still my #1 choice hear tho. still havent tried Hot rox so cant comment.
by the way, your t2 will be expired by now.
P-22, thanks for your response and concern. I will take what you say under advisement. I remember that you said you would never take a Thyroid supplement. But T2 is supposed to be far less suppressive then T3. I thought I was being responsible cause I have a stash and real anabolics(Test, Deca, Tren, Winny) calling my name, but don’t feel comfortable using then now. As far as thermogenics it would be a none ephedra/stimulent version. Maybe I should choose one (T2) or the other? You know how it is we all want to see results as fast as we can. Whats your response on this. Thanks again.
Whetu…expired yes, but still good. Caps as long as they are stored properly are good for an estimated 2 years past their date. Thanks again, Maybe I will rotate 2 weeks T2, 2 weeks thermo.
Once again colt I have to tell you that I really think that these fat-loss drugs are overused. They are meant to complement a weight loss program, not to be used as a crutch. They will never take the place of discipline and carefull dieting. The dangers of ephedrine are real by the way - that is why it is being banned,and I think you should definitely reconsider using this product in light of your health. Also I don’t know how much of a difference in suppression t2 is from t3 but I’ll reiterate that I personally would not fuck with my thyroid in this way. This is your decision to make however, just be aware that you are taking risks. P-22
I had to jump in on this thread after reading all the responses. First and formost, Ephedra is NOT, let me repeat… NOT dangerous. Dissagree?? Then YOU take the time to evaluate the clinical research done on ephedra that evaluated and proved it’s safety. Ephedra containing products will say on the bottle “check with your physician before using this product…do not use if you have thyroid, heart, or kidney problems…do not take with an MAOI inhibitor” and so on. People ignored that, and that’s why they died. I’ve used dozens upon dozens of ephedra based products with no problems for over 10 years now on a VERY regular basis. So go ahead and tell me it’s dangerous. Oh, and in case you forgot…remember when they tried to ban Creatine because they said that was dangerous too??
I’ve used T-2 a few times. I worked up to 600mgs a day a I believe. 2 caps, 3 times a day along with a thermogenic a few times a week. Fat loss was noticeable and my body felt hot all day long. No suppression, I cycled down to avoid that. The combo works well, but a planned diet is still the key.
And yes, taking an anabolic such as Mag-10 is not odd while dieting. Have you never heard of a cutting cycle?? The idea is to build/preserve lean mass while on a low caloric intake. Depends on the severity of the diet. Tren/winny or something similar is usually used.
From what others are saying, it sounds like you have health problems??? This I don’t know, but if you do then you would have to evaluate the supps you choose.
Thanks P-22 & TrenFreak. I say again the thermogenic I use will be the “Ephedra free” version. How come P-22 you think I am using these supplements as a crutch? I now that diet is the single most important factor, but I did not ask about it cause I know what to do in that area. TrenFreak could you go into more detail in your T-2 use, for example length of use and how you tapered down. As for my health problems, a few months back I had high BP, but is controlled by my salt & sodium intake. I will say cause of this at this time I am not comfortable in using anabolics that cause water retention, so I went the Mag-10, Turinabol route. Thanks again…more responses.
P-22, you said: The dangers of ephedrine are real by the way - that is why it is being banned,and I think you should definitely reconsider using this product in light of your health.
Read this article and tell me if you’ll ever take acetaminophen (Tylenol) again.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/ entrez/query.fcgi? cmd=Retrieve&db =pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list _uids=12484709
I’m not trying to single you out, just anyone who thinks ephedra is dangerous. Anything that is abused is dangerous. Shit, a person could die from drinking too much water. So, should we ban bottled water? I’m just being a wee bit sarcastic but I hope I got my point across.
Lets not loose track here, P- 22 is in the medical profession and knows his shit. That is his opinion and he has the right to express it. He was just looking out me. Lets get back to my questions, anyone have more to add… I hope so.
Colt can take whatever he wants. In light of the fact that he has had hypertension in the past, says however that he should be very carefull. Stimulants and thyroid medications increase Cardiac output, and heart rate. Cafiene is a known vasoconstrictor along with ephedrine. With that been said taking these is going to raise anyone’s blood pressure, this is a moot point. For most healthy people however this is not a big deal, because their pressures still will stay reasonable. However hypertension is ‘the silent killer’ and for someone who struggles to keep their pressures in check, these stimulents are not going to help the problem. Colt could be at risk for such things as a hypertensive crisis, heart attack, stroke, damage to kidneys and the eyes. Need I continue? So coming from a health proffessional I can in all honestly not be supportive of his decision. I hope some of you meatheads will understand this. P-22
You don’t need to continue…I the point.
I the point??? Would you say that as long as I monitor my pressures daily and they remain normal I should be good to go. Stupid question I know but you seem more concerned with the thermogenic than the Mag-10, OT, & T2. Thanks all…
P-22, I agree that if someone has a pre-existing or prior medical condition, they should not use stimulants but I was unaware of colt-severs previous conditions. I apologize for that. But to say that ephedra was banned because it has real dangers is what I disagree with. Sorry colt for semi-hijacking your thread :}
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Well yes half-life, you are perfectly right- for most people, if they follow the recomended dose there is little danger, however some meatheads either took too much and died, had a pre-existing heart defect they didn’t know about and took some and died, or was using it to cook up some methamphetamine! to tell you the truth I use the eca stack from time to time - but I don’t have high blood pressure!
Colt: Mag-10 has a short half life, and you retain very little water from it, I’m sure you will be fine. It is just the stimulents and the thyroid pills that I would be extra careful about. Yes- Monitoring your BP every day would be a good idea if you are going to begin this protocal