Just how fluid is blood pressure? (soo to speak). I normally read about 120 over 80 but sometimes lately its a bit higher (125/80 or 126/77) when searching online this site below says even the 120/80 isn’t good (prehypertension) but I often see people quote worse looking numbers here and they don’t seem bothered (also my docs were happy with 120/80).
If anyone has any easy to understand suggestions or sites please post, obviously going into the orange or red numbers are bad but how bad are the lower numbers for a reasonably active, non smoking relatively active person?
(if you scroll down the site you can input your own numbers).
Medical ranges of whats normal are for average people with normal weight who have normal lifestyles.
Athletes with 50-100lbs of muscle mass above normal, eating 6000kcal a day, will have much different stats in everything.
That’s an interesting perspective which I agree with. For instance my BP last time I checked was 127/77. I’m 6’2, 108kg (238lb). Fairly leanish, around 15 - 18% bodyfat. Would this BP be considered normal for me or do I fall in the prehypertension category? Can this even be accurately answered?
I would agree here. I have high BP for no damn reason. I’m not old, overweight, sedentary etc. I’ve been told by several practitioners that the target is <140/90. Under 120/80 is great but thats certainly not near hypertension.
It cant be answered because medicine is not done on people like us. Going by “normal” bodyfat calculator or gadgets i have always been 30% bodyfat, lol.
Same goes with creatinine/ast/alt bloodwork, its always completely off for athletes. I think we just have to go by feel, and just see what our “normal” is when we are rested, eating clean around the maintenance and on trt/cruise doses of shit. Take these measurements and take them as the “normal”. Also stop obsessing abt that because smth like 10% deviance in anything has never killed anyone esp if there is a reason.
Smth like 140+ BP is bad, yes… for a normal person with normal weight doing a desk job. But should we panic about 140+ BP if you are a muscle freak on tren and anadrol? Is that a fucked up heart or is it just drugs? My BP can be crap when i bulk, but when i drop to 300mgs of test, my BP is slightly above 120… thats why i dont stress abt when its high if im on high doses of drugs.
Is this with BP meds and statins or is this your ‘natural’ blood pressure when not blasting? I personally take a little telmisartan when on a blast, especially if bulking or using orals, but when on a normal TRT dose I’m in the normal range without any BP meds.
Can ‘people like us’ who don’t fall in the normal, sedentary office clerk category and are considered obese by “normal” standards still claim to be healthy if we need blood pressure meds to keep us in range even on normal TRT doses, despite the fact that we are physically overall stronger, more agile and aerobic than your average Joe?
I am on those almost since i remember myself, so those meds always have been a part of my normal. There has never been and never will be any different type of “normal” for me.
I agree with the second part. I believe we should look for whats ok for obese people as far as medical data goes. Imo, having a lot of muscle is the same as just being fat as our body is concerned. So if your stats are better than other fatsos, i guess we can consider us healthy.
But…i also am skeptic about the term “healthy”. The more time goes by the more i think its all bs.
I had 2 grandmas. One did yoga her whole life, all the exercise, fasting, growed her own food in the garden made all the health foods etc. The other one was closer to me, she drinks coffee, eats cake with it. Hasnt exercised ever. Her cholesterol naturally is 3 times the normal range. We always said to her “look at the other granny, look how great she is”. Its been 15 years since the yoga grandma is dead and the “unhealthy” one is 85 and doesn’t have any medical condition…
So the question is…what does “healthy” mean to you and why do we want to be healthy?
For me healthy means to be able to do stuff, feel good and not die too soon. Everyone by now should have similar experience to mine to know that being healthy doesnt guarantee longer life, so that factor is uncontrollable. Whats left is - feel good and do stuff. I can feel good on 1g of tren therefore being on tren still makes me healthy. In fact, much healthier than most people not on tren. What do u think?
Well I just wasted 10 minutes drafting an reply that covered everything I thought just to see @hankthetank89 had written it better…
Yes I think we’re looking for what’s acceptable to us and hopefully keeping it in the healthier ranges so we can do what we want for longer.
I’m 59, not heavy (80kg) and exercise quite a bit (not soo much heavy weights but more “martial” and movement stuff as I can’t do both and recover quickly enough).
I’m on 150mg test and 50mg deca and will definitely be trialing other things so expect my blood pressure to raise but I’ll aim for it to be minimal. I don’t mind dying in 10 years but I don’t want to spend 5 of them in a wheelchair or hospital bed.
This time you managed 2-3 days without my attention… Jesus it gets more and more pathetic. Is this like the third time where i remind you that you promised to fuck off me, my comments and mentioning or tagging me? You just cant, you pathetic stalky creep, cant you?
I remember a time when a reading ranging from 120 to 129 (systolic) and below 80 (diastolic) wasn’t considered dangerous and fairly normal by most standards. However for the last couple of years I’m reading that those ranges are alarming and should be treated. Do you have any thoughts on this?
Does root cause matter if it’s damaging to the cardiovascular system?
It seems to me “bad” should be defined as causing damage and possibly early death.
So even if it’s high because of injections or extra muscle weight, it’s still bad if it’s leading to left ventricular atrophy, hardened arteries, strokes et cetera.
We all choose our vices, but listening to someone justify high blood pressure as just a number they’re immune to because…… tren cycles sounds a lot like the bullshit you hear alcoholics come up with for liver diseases. I’m sure it was the bad oysters you ate in 1974, Uncle Jim. Still dying early though.
@anon18050987 Respect sir! Always enjoy your wisdom. Two questions:
For us older hardcore lifters (50+) who only know one way to do it (balls out!), what is the best advise for still putting on muscle (AAS aside) with respect to cardiovascular health? I know studies have proven that high rep workouts can be just as effective but its a hard transition for guys like me. Makes me feel like I should be training at that mass market gym where you’re not allowed to make noise or they throw you out.
Any advice on natural supps to regulate blood pressure? Obviously reduce sodium, etc
I am wondering, do you adjust your meds when blasting more gear? You mention getting 140 / 90 measurements while on more. I’d think with BP meds on hand, that you could combat this with a bit higher dose, or perhaps a combo of drugs (I’ve heard mixing different classes of BP meds can have a 1+1=3 effect).
A bigger body requires more work for the heart. For a lifter the size / mass of their body is controlled by BF% and muscle mass. We can somewhat keep our bodies a “normal” size while having a lot of muscle by being very lean. My advice for longevity if you are going to have significantly more muscle mass than you normally would if you didn’t train is to be lean. I figure it looks better on almost everyone anyways. I get way more comments about being muscular being 25 lbs lighter than I was when I was the most muscular and also had more fat.
Aside from that, do your cardio. Super underrated IMO. It also helps with being lean. I don’t over do it. I just walk on an incline (better for joints and burns more calories) every gym session. I’ll change things around based on my goals, but I don’t plan on ever getting rid of that habbit.
If you have high BP, get on BP meds IMO. Natural isn’t necessarily healthier. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are assuming a natural supp is healthier, or less likely to have side effects, right? That isn’t always true. IMO, the BP drugs are amazing, cheap, and if done right, most people can’t tell they are taking anything, aside from having lower BP. I think it isn’t logical to not want to take something just because it is a pharma drug. They can make you healthier.
100%. I even go to the gym with a higher rep plan and end up lifting heavy. Just can’t do it. For my entire life “Heavy Duty” principals ala Mentzer and Yates have always been the best (and really only way) to gains for me. I guess you gotta die of somethin…
No. I have prescription for a specific dose. I really need to find a new doctor to start fucking with this. The one i have just sends me 3 months worth prescription and thats it. I have tought of looking into it but high BP doesnt scare me if its only when im blasting and bloated. Its just a normal side effect. I also dont think i will be blasting that much more than once again probably.
I did get an illegal telmisartan and it didn’t do shit for me at any dose. Thats why i dont think that doubling up on anything will fiz a BP that’s high because of grams of gear.
