[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]DoveofWar08 wrote:
In the end, exactly what happened to letting people train in thier own way and do thier own shit?? I mean, if you want to do zerchers, do zerchers. If not, then don’t. I guess live and let live just doesn’t exist on the internet.
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On the other hand, the arguments make a lot of points that anyone reading can pick and choose what makes sense and who they think is credible and make a better decision on their value. Since we have a few different people with different goals duking it out, you can see how it aligns with your own.[/quote]
This, along with what maraudermeat is why I’ve made an assload of posts in this thread.
Like MM said, no one knows who’s reading this, and it’s no surprise that many people take prof X’s word as gospel on a lot of things - I mean, he’s obviously a big dude - he just doesn’t know what he’s talkin about in this thread.
If I wasn’t here ‘defending’ the zercher lift and wasn’t pointing out how ridiculous it is for him to even begin to think that his opinion even remotely supported by basic facts, then there’s potential that said possible readers to completely dismiss zerchers when in reality, there’s no reason to.
There’s a term used for when “I’m bigger/stronger” is used as ‘proof’ that they’re right on a matter… it’s called ‘bro-knowledge’ and it’s the most ridiculous type of "knowledge"on the intarwebzzz.
Also, I PMed “stormthebeach” earlier and asked him to give his opinion on zerchers in this thread (while avoiding all the bullshit, obviously.) As the dude has proven himself to be one of the strongest people on this site, I’m really curious as to what he thinks of them.
Hopefully he’ll give his two cents. :/[/quote]
It seems beyond you to understand that there were people in this thread discussing PHYSIQUE DEVELOPMENT and not powerlifting and that the conversation we had about the effectiveness for PHYSIQUE DEVELOPMENT got rained down on by powerlifters acting like the thread is off limits to any other discussion.
Do you even understand this?
No one gives a flying shit if you like zerchers or want to do them. Not ONCE in this thread has anything I’ve written been in the vein of POWERLIFTING…so what the fuck are you talking about?
If you wanted a thread where ONLY powerlifters discussed this lift, it should have been in that fucking forum.
You don’tn even seem to understand the basics of what is going on…but keep up the good fight.
Defending zerchers? From whom? Since when have zerchers been the core of any routine working on building the most size possible?
You’ve talked shit now for pages…and for what? [/quote]
Yeah, and in your first couple of posts in this thread, you went ahead and threw out the ad hominem bullshit you always do. Now, let me go ahead and warn you, I’m going to quote exactly what you said earlier, so try to keep your head from exploding when you can’t go THAT’S NOT WHAT I SAID.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It’s a biceps tear waiting to happen.
I swear, it is like some people do shit just so no one calls them a bodybuilder. If the result of a 400lbs “zercher squat” is to look like the guy in that vid, I’ll really fucking pass.[/quote]
Your first statement has been repeatedly refuted, but as usual, you just ignore any rational arguments against your stance because you know you don’t know what you’re talking about and it’s easier for you to keep pulling things out of your ass than it is to not pontificate on things that you don’t understand.
Of course, you’ve written the book on what it means to be a bodybuilder (never competing is rule number 1!), so you’re the authority on what’s valid and what’s not. As previously mentioned in this thread, there are some rather large backs on this message board alone that have been built with the aid of zercher lifts, so your point that they don’t contribute towards impressive physical development is entirely moot.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
No, it is that if “400lbs” is the weight that someone like that can do, then 400lbs isn’t that fucking impressive.
Why would I do shit that leads to lesser progress in muscle growth?
It is a movement that serves little purpose unless specifically training for something with movements like that. So, again, why do people do shit that has such little return in terms of progress?
Oh, wait…that’s the function of most “functional” training…give people who don’t look like they lift seriously something to be proud of.
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400 lbs is impressive BECAUSE someone that weight can do it. I’m sure you expect us to be more impressed with you in all of your 280 lb glory belting yourself into a hammer strength machine and pressing 400 lbs, right? Lifts are impressive only because of the physical appearance of the person performing them? I’ve seen some videos of Cutler doing 95 lb lunges, according to that logic, those are some of the most impressive lunges ever filmed! The OP specifically stated he was interested in strength gains, not bodybuilding. Yes, I do realize that this is posted in the off-topic section, but you’re still coming into a thread about waffles swinging full force about pancakes. You know you’re hijacking and you don’t care because you’ve got to put your $.02 in on everything.
And then, as usual, you fly off the handle with your normal rambling strawmen about functional training, a term NO ONE in this thread brought up before you started ranting about it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I know…and most of them fall into the category I talked about before…the type who never make much physical (or even much overall strength) progress but use something arbitrary like “function” to justify the time they spend on this.
To each his own…but I think most would agree that when it comes to getting shit done and actually accomplishing something that translates as significant progress to others (whether that be bodybuilding or powerlifting) those types are NOT the ones to pull it off.[/quote]
More senile rambling and implications that people who do this lift can’t be serious about either bodybuilding or powerlifting. Once again, pontification on things of which you have ZERO understanding.
Is your problem with the zercher lift or with the functional training skintubes? If you’ve got a problem with the zercher lift, then your arguments have already been addressed in this thread, get back on topic and respond to those. If your problem is with functional training wimps, then start a new fucking thread, because this thread is specifically about a lift that makes people brutally fucking strong in ways that you don’t understand because you’re so jacked you have to seatbelt yourself into leverage machines in order to prevent your body from falling apart from lifting weights.
