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[quote]stuward wrote:
Do at least 1 leg exercise, 1 pressing exercise and 1 pulling exercise in each whole body workout. You could do more than that if you want. Waylanderxx gave an example with “bench press/squat/powerclean”. It’s a whole body workout with 3 exercises.

Do all 6 exercises I gave you. Mix them around. Do each of them at least once every week. Do 3 workouts a week.

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I realize your going to kill me, and i would know why. But what would be the “1 leg exercise, 1 pressing exercise and 1 pulling exersize” meaning i just do squats? bench and then lat pulls? (what if i cant do pull ups?? D"=) Could you give me some full compound workouts that i should do together so i can just start writing them down on my schedule and just do it. SOrry for annoying the hell outta you guys btw.

Upper body horizontal push �?? Flat, incline, or decline barbell or dumbbell bench press, close-grip bench press, iso-ballistic push-up

Upper body horizontal pull �?? Bent-over row (supinated or pronated grip), one-arm dumbbell row, seated row (triangle handle, straight bar, double-D bar handle)

Upper body vertical push �?? Standing military press, push press, push jerk, dip, wide-grip dip, close-grip triceps push press

Upper body vertical pull �?? Pull-up (pronated, supinated, or semi-supinated grip), pulldown (pronated, supinated, semi-supinated grip, wide pronated grip, double-D bar handle)

Quad-dominant lower body �?? Back squat, front squat, hack squat, lunge, leg press, duck deadlift

Hip-dominant lower body �?? Deadlift (sumo or conventional), Romanian deadlift, sumo squat, good morning, one-leg back extension, glute-ham raise, dumbbell swing, one-arm dumbbell snatch

those are examples shamelessly poached from: http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=1929120

As everyone has said listen to stu, my own personal advice is focus on the following:

1)Do exclusively compounds

do chest/back work on the same day (antagonists), bench/rows/chinups etc

throw in squats/dealifts for the legs

and do military press/push press/clean and jerk for shoulders

the more muscle groups worked the better

2)make sure each workout is ~1hr long and no longer

  1. Lift HEAVY, you can go for the classic 3setsx8 reps or maybe lower 3x6 or something, once that gets old try reversing it to like 6 reps of 3-4

  2. EAT A TON, eat until you can’t move anymore, then eat some more, 6 meals a day if possible. Make sure its clean high protein, slow digesting carbs with healthy fats. Make sure you eat lots of carbs (some fast digesting ones like white bread and dextrose too) after your workout.

  3. for supplements whey protein immediately after your workout is essential, I’m not quite sure if creatine is safe for your age but if it is use it. And take fish oil at every meal.

  4. sleep a lot

zephead, I think it just depends. I have never liked fullbody workouts, It never felt like I had fatigued my muscles enough to stimulate new growth, so I stricly use split training and its done wonders for me.

The thing about full body workouts is they take forever if you do them correctly, and since you use your whole body you have to have a lot more rest days then you would for a split. I use the split I listed above and I am able to incorporate all the compound movements on the appropriate day. IMO I just think they are ebtter b/c it allows you to hit each muscle group better, harder, and more often the a FB workout.

I belive though that if he is dedicated enough a split will give him the strength gains along with the aesthetics that he is looking for.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
zephead, I think it just depends. I have never liked fullbody workouts, It never felt like I had fatigued my muscles enough to stimulate new growth, so I stricly use split training and its done wonders for me.

The thing about full body workouts is they take forever if you do them correctly, and since you use your whole body you have to have a lot more rest days then you would for a split. I use the split I listed above and I am able to incorporate all the compound movements on the appropriate day. IMO I just think they are ebtter b/c it allows you to hit each muscle group better, harder, and more often the a FB workout.

I belive though that if he is dedicated enough a split will give him the strength gains along with the aesthetics that he is looking for.[/quote]

I agree, but i think some variety is necessary (e.g use full body now and again) charles poliquin (sp?) in his Q&A says that every olympic athlete and person hes trained hes trained on a bodypart split and that nobody has given him any conclusive reason why full-body is better.

that being said i think a lot of people think of “split” as, I’ll do 3 sets of 4 reps of bicep curls and 1-2 of bench then go rest for a week to make sure i dont overtrain. The trick is to not go too extreme in one form or the other.

[quote]Octane wrote:
that being said i think a lot of people think of “split” as, I’ll do 3 sets of 4 reps of bicep curls and 1-2 of bench then go rest for a week to make sure i dont overtrain. The trick is to not go too extreme in one form or the other.
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The only people who “think” that are the parrots that used to squawk around the full-body camp the past year or so.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
zephead, I think it just depends. I have never liked fullbody workouts, It never felt like I had fatigued my muscles enough to stimulate new growth, so I stricly use split training and its done wonders for me.

The thing about full body workouts is they take forever if you do them correctly, and since you use your whole body you have to have a lot more rest days then you would for a split. I use the split I listed above and I am able to incorporate all the compound movements on the appropriate day. IMO I just think they are ebtter b/c it allows you to hit each muscle group better, harder, and more often the a FB workout.

I belive though that if he is dedicated enough a split will give him the strength gains along with the aesthetics that he is looking for.[/quote]

I can agree with tis, but given enough time in the weightroom, and a beginner’s recovery ability… I guess it depends on the individual. Personally I’ve tried upper/lwer routines, slpits, and a fullbody. I didn’t get anywhere doing the split, fullbody was ok I guess, and the upper/lower was by far the champion of the 3. I’m a huge ws4sb fan.

Well seeing as I’m more of a bodybuilder and am more in this for looks as opposed to strength, I love splits. So guess it just depends what your focus is.

Zephead mind posting what your upper/lower workout would look like? I’ve not really heard of that before

Monday:
box Squat (only up to 80% 1 rep max
Deadlift
ghr
calves

Tuesday
Bench press (always ME
Sightly inclined db press
Bent over row
Military press
Wednesday:
off

Thursday:
Snatch
Boxsquat
ghr
calves

Friday:
Bench Press (alernating DE/ME and maybe RE)
Clean and jerk
chins
DB bent over row

during the summer I’ll probably do a few sets of overhead/front squats on tuesdays instead of box squats, and add some arm work I don’t really care much for looks though so I’ll probably opt out of the arm work. I never got any benefit from DE squatting so I stopped. My main focus is powerlifting, while staying proficient in the olympic lifts.

[quote]JerryRicePwns wrote:
I have been lifting for about 2 weeks now.
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Don’t expect anything after 2 weeks.

well see zephead, I do everything you’re doing (minus snatches) and I get to hit arms and every other muscle group with a lot more volume/frequency than you are doing.

I mean are your shoulders,arms, and back even growing?

Waylander, this type of argument is not helping the OP decide how he should conduct his training. You guys are relatively experienced guys specializing in different goals. The OP is a 14 year old, inexperienced beginner who’s goals are different from either one of you. I think we all agree that he needs to lift with large compound movements, 2-3 times a week. You have already said that there are more similarities in your routines than differences.

Lets focus this on the OP’s needs, not your routine vs Zephead’s.

Stu

actually Stu it is. He is hearing the benefits of both a split and full body routine, from 2 guys experienced in thier usage. He can draw his own conclusions from our experience, thats how its done. Discussing the benefits of each is certiantly helping the OP. Just b/c you aren’t the center of attention anymore doesn’t mean we aren’t helping him.

Oh and I guess since you’ve been working out a year more than me that makes you incredibly experienced and me only relatively experienced, therefore my advice means nothing. Stu you and me are the same height, I weigh 35 more lbs than you. trust me, my advice matters, k thx.

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
actually Stu it is. He is hearing the benefits of both a split and full body routine, from 2 guys experienced in thier usage. He can draw his own conclusions from our experience, thats how its done. Discussing the benefits of each is certiantly helping the OP. Just b/c you aren’t the center of attention anymore doesn’t mean we aren’t helping him.

Oh and I guess since you’ve been working out a year more than me that makes you incredibly experienced and me only relatively experienced, therefore my advice means nothing. Stu you and me are the same height, I weigh 35 more lbs than you. trust me, my advice matters, k thx.[/quote]

chill a bit man, stu didn’t attack you. I realise it seems like he’s tellin gyou to stfu, but I doubt he is.

mind pming me your split?