Hossein Rezazadeh FS 280kg/617lbs

superscience · July 12, 2006, 1:46pm

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
superscience wrote:
If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.

Because he’s juiced to the gills, is state sponsored, and can train/eat all day. This isn’t to say he doesn’t work hard, he obviously does, but he has some pretty serious advantages.

Besides, do you even follow strongman except for the WSM? Zadrunas and Vasyl have gotten better than Pudz, and they both carry more bodyfat.

Of course Big Daddy Ross needs to lose weight, he’s a fucking tub of lard. A damn strong tub, but an extra 100lbs sorta hinders a farmer’s walk performance. Not at all a valid comparison to the SHW weightlifters.

-Dan[/quote]

Pudzianowski is still the king of them all in power events moving fast, thats why i related it to oly lifting as it is more a power movement than maximal strength.

superscience · July 12, 2006, 1:50pm

[quote]mertdawg wrote:

BTW it has been shown that 40 yard sprint times drop about .05 seconds for every 1% drop in bodyfat percent between 6%-20%. A 20% BF guy with a 5.4 40 could drop to 4.9, just by dropping from 20% to 10% bodyfat.
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Would this drop be bigger in 100m compared to 40yard.

mertdawg · July 12, 2006, 2:59pm

[quote]superscience wrote:
mertdawg wrote:

BTW it has been shown that 40 yard sprint times drop about .05 seconds for every 1% drop in bodyfat percent between 6%-20%. A 20% BF guy with a 5.4 40 could drop to 4.9, just by dropping from 20% to 10% bodyfat.

Would this drop be bigger in 100m compared to 40yard. [/quote]

Yes. It has been shown to affect top speed.

mertdawg · July 12, 2006, 3:02pm

[quote]ExNole wrote:
superscience wrote:
So when i get back to training i will maintain my muscle mass and add on a stone of fat to get stronger in my squat and c and j, that is one of the stupidist things ive heard.

If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.

I really think rezaza could have achieved bigger lifts in oly lifting with better diet. Get Berardi working with him.

Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.

Another example of a person who would get stronger if he lost fat is glenn ross.

There is a big difference between running 100m and a clean a jerk. Like for instance, he doesn’t have to move his big ass 100m.
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I have read that Alexeev would get slower in the lifts when he added weight, and that he was required to bring his bar speed back up before he could start gaining again.

KBCThird · July 12, 2006, 4:00pm

[quote]superscience wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
superscience wrote:
If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.

Because he’s juiced to the gills, is state sponsored, and can train/eat all day. This isn’t to say he doesn’t work hard, he obviously does, but he has some pretty serious advantages.

Besides, do you even follow strongman except for the WSM? Zadrunas and Vasyl have gotten better than Pudz, and they both carry more bodyfat.

Of course Big Daddy Ross needs to lose weight, he’s a fucking tub of lard. A damn strong tub, but an extra 100lbs sorta hinders a farmer’s walk performance. Not at all a valid comparison to the SHW weightlifters.

-Dan

Pudzianowski is still the king of them all in power events moving fast, thats why i related it to oly lifting as it is more a power movement than maximal strength. [/quote]

You didnt say that Pudz is dominating moving events you said he’s dominating strongman - which he’s not.

I dont compete in OL, so i dont know if added bulk helps teh competitive lifts, but if you think having a gut doesnt give you a better base to push off of in the squat, you’ve either never increased your waist size, or youve never squatted heavy.

Viking69 · July 13, 2006, 11:22am

[quote]KBCThird wrote:

You didnt say that Pudz is dominating moving events you said he’s dominating strongman - which he’s not.

I dont compete in OL, so i dont know if added bulk helps teh competitive lifts, but if you think having a gut doesnt give you a better base to push off of in the squat, you’ve either never increased your waist size, or youve never squatted heavy.[/quote]

From the lack of knowledge I would say they are alot of things this guy has never done. Most 16yr olds believe getting ripped will make you stronger and more explosive…they will learn the opposite if they ever decide to get serious in a strength sport. They also think you can add 50lbs of muscle and never go over 10% bodyfat…

Of course, Rhazz is the strongest Olympic lifter ever, which means he has no idea what he is doing…

I am a huge fan of Ching, but he will never beat Rhaz unless he puts on some weight. That snatch he won with at Worlds was still 8 or 9k under Rhazz’s best. He got luckly and Rhazz had a bad day. And Mariuz will never beat Zydrunis in static strength, WHY??? Cuz big Z has the bodyweight advantage. Even “fattend” up to 330 at this years Arnold Z still had 50 or so pounds on Mariuz.

Seems to be something to that more bodyweight=more weight lifted when it comes to power events…
Maybe bodyfat does support muscle a bit? Or something…

Arnold1975 · July 13, 2006, 12:58pm

[quote]Krollmonster wrote:
DieselWeasel wrote:
Let’s see -your- double bodyweight front squat.

I’m close! another 35lbs to go.
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Let’s rephrase the question then. Let’s see your Olympic Gold medals?

superscience · July 13, 2006, 3:49pm

[quote]Viking69 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

You didnt say that Pudz is dominating moving events you said he’s dominating strongman - which he’s not.

I dont compete in OL, so i dont know if added bulk helps teh competitive lifts, but if you think having a gut doesnt give you a better base to push off of in the squat, you’ve either never increased your waist size, or youve never squatted heavy.

From the lack of knowledge I would say they are alot of things this guy has never done. Most 16yr olds believe getting ripped will make you stronger and more explosive…they will learn the opposite if they ever decide to get serious in a strength sport. They also think you can add 50lbs of muscle and never go over 10% bodyfat…

Of course, Rhazz is the strongest Olympic lifter ever, which means he has no idea what he is doing…

I am a huge fan of Ching, but he will never beat Rhaz unless he puts on some weight. That snatch he won with at Worlds was still 8 or 9k under Rhazz’s best. He got luckly and Rhazz had a bad day. And Mariuz will never beat Zydrunis in static strength, WHY??? Cuz big Z has the bodyweight advantage. Even “fattend” up to 330 at this years Arnold Z still had 50 or so pounds on Mariuz.

Seems to be something to that more bodyweight=more weight lifted when it comes to power events…
Maybe bodyfat does support muscle a bit? Or something…
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Because you didn’t understand anything i said or the logic behind it, you chat a pile of bull shit and say “From the lack of knowledge I would say they are alot of things this guy has never done”

From experience i have in my first (but poor) diet, i had strength increases in my squat and deadlift yet maintanence in every other lift plus my verticle went up, but according to you it must have been my 16 year old imagination (even though im actually 20).

superscience · July 13, 2006, 6:03pm

[quote]superscience wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

Of course, Rhazz is the strongest Olympic lifter ever, which means he has no idea what he is doing…

Im not saying rezaza doesn,t know what he is at but, just because someone is good at something doesn’t mean they know what they are doing, people can train and eat like shit yet still be amazing at something.

Krollmonster · July 14, 2006, 4:22am

[quote]superscience wrote:
Krollmonster wrote:
superscience wrote:
So when i get back to training i will maintain my muscle mass and add on a stone of fat to get stronger in my squat and c and j, that is one of the stupidist things ive heard.

If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.

I really think rezaza could have achieved bigger lifts in oly lifting with better diet. Get Berardi working with him.

Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.

Another example of a person who would get stronger if he lost fat is glenn ross.

I hear what you are getting at, but using sprinters isn’t the best example since they have to move their bodies through space. I think maybe the shotput would be a good example to compare to weightlifting.

Mmmm not really because they aren’t lifting their body, in weightlifting they are lifting half their body with their legs, so if the top half has 20kg extra bodyfat (which has no benefit and is not needed), that is 20kg added to what their legs have to lift.

Oly lifters are lifting half their body and the extra weight with their legs just like sprinters who propel their body forward via their legs with no added weight.

A sprinter having extra fat will slow him down because of the extra force needed to move his body, just like a weightlifter will need extra force from the legs to move his extra bodyweight plus the bar. [/quote]

Good point. I just think that shaving bodyfat off would make a more noticable difference in sprinting than OL.

Viking69 · July 14, 2006, 1:19pm

[quote]superscience wrote:
superscience wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

Of course, Rhazz is the strongest Olympic lifter ever, which means he has no idea what he is doing…

Im not saying rezaza doesn,t know what he is at but, just because someone is good at something doesn’t mean they know what they are doing, people can train and eat like shit yet still be amazing at something.

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Rhazz isnt “good” at weightlifting, Zydrunis isnt “good” at the static events in strongman, Jeff lewis isnt a “good” powerlifter… these atheletes are the best that EVER lived.

Sure you can be “good” and not achieve perfection, but these guys are WAAAAAAAY beyond good.

What I am saying isnt extra bodyweight increases the amount of weight lifted, I am not talking about sprinters or the WSM 05 sprint around with heavy stuff. I am talking about olympic lifting, powerlifting, static strenght events.

You are saying, Razz or Big Z would be better off at 5% bodyfat, even stronger, which is wrong.

superscience · July 14, 2006, 2:30pm

[quote]Krollmonster wrote:
superscience wrote:
Krollmonster wrote:
superscience wrote:
So when i get back to training i will maintain my muscle mass and add on a stone of fat to get stronger in my squat and c and j, that is one of the stupidist things ive heard.

If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.

I really think rezaza could have achieved bigger lifts in oly lifting with better diet. Get Berardi working with him.

Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.

Another example of a person who would get stronger if he lost fat is glenn ross.

I hear what you are getting at, but using sprinters isn’t the best example since they have to move their bodies through space. I think maybe the shotput would be a good example to compare to weightlifting.

Mmmm not really because they aren’t lifting their body, in weightlifting they are lifting half their body with their legs, so if the top half has 20kg extra bodyfat (which has no benefit and is not needed), that is 20kg added to what their legs have to lift.

Oly lifters are lifting half their body and the extra weight with their legs just like sprinters who propel their body forward via their legs with no added weight.

A sprinter having extra fat will slow him down because of the extra force needed to move his body, just like a weightlifter will need extra force from the legs to move his extra bodyweight plus the bar.

Good point. I just think that shaving bodyfat off would make a more noticable difference in sprinting than OL.[/quote]

I totaly agree, but i still think losing fat in oly lifting to a degree were u maintain all lbm, you will gain.

muscleshark · July 14, 2006, 2:45pm

He is 26 seconds in, doing a 260kg/573pound clean and jerk, but feel free to watch the rest of the video.

superscience · July 14, 2006, 3:04pm

[quote]Viking69 wrote:
superscience wrote:
superscience wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:

Of course, Rhazz is the strongest Olympic lifter ever, which means he has no idea what he is doing…

Im not saying rezaza doesn,t know what he is at but, just because someone is good at something doesn’t mean they know what they are doing, people can train and eat like shit yet still be amazing at something.

Rhazz isnt “good” at weightlifting, Zydrunis isnt “good” at the static events in strongman, Jeff lewis isnt a “good” powerlifter… these atheletes are the best that EVER lived.

Sure you can be “good” and not achieve perfection, but these guys are WAAAAAAAY beyond good.

What I am saying isnt extra bodyweight increases the amount of weight lifted, I am not talking about sprinters or the WSM 05 sprint around with heavy stuff. I am talking about olympic lifting, powerlifting, static strenght events.

You are saying, Razz or Big Z would be better off at 5% bodyfat, even stronger, which is wrong.[/quote]

Im not saying 5%, that wasn’t supposed to be taken literally because none of these athletes have the genes to get down to that percentage without losing lbm. I believe rezaza would have the most benefit from a loss of some fat because it is oly lifting.

Puds is stronger than a lot of fat strongmen who are a lot heavier than him.

Zadrunas has got a much bigger squat but his max bench and deadlift is less than puds.

Glenn Ross squats 30kg more than puds despite him being 60 odd kg heavier than him.

superscience · July 14, 2006, 3:26pm

wr rezaza

Viking69 · July 14, 2006, 3:52pm

[quote]superscience wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
superscience wrote:
superscience wrote:
Viking69 wrote:
KBCThird wrote: