[quote]Krollmonster wrote:
SquatDr wrote:
Let’s see -your- double bodyweight front squat.
over 2.5 x bodyweight for me, but not NEARLY as impressive as a guy front squatting 600 lbs like nothing, regardless of bodyweight. he’s in a different league!
You can front squat 2.5 X BW? What is your bw?[/quote]
i weigh about 205lbs.
[quote]superscience wrote:
If he was able to lose just fat, lets say 20kg of it, and maintain his lbm. His lbm will still be giving out the same power and strength yet he will have 20 kg less bodyweight to push so his legs will be able to squat more weight and he will be more explosive in the lifts.[/quote]
I doubt any of his lifts are limited by his bodyweight. In fact, losing weight might throw off his balance and stability and reduce his rebound out of the bottom of the clean or snatch. Watch him lift and see how his stomach contacts his thighs.
Again, I think it’s ridiculous to say that one of the strongest olympic lifters in history needs to get more explosive. He takes 450lb from the floor to overhead in about a second.
I’d like to see how much this guy could deadlift.
For all the folks talking about how much better his performance would be if he were to lose a lot of fat…I’m struggling for the right words here because I don’t want to be rude. It’s simply a matter of leverages, and until you go from a lean build to a higher BF but “fit” build, you can’t appreciate the difference.
If that man were to magically shed fat down to 5% BF he’d not be able to lift nearly as much. Sure he’d still be pretty strong, but he’d certainly lose his standing as an olympic champion because of the loss of leverages. Maybe there is a magic BF% number for each and every one of us where we’re strongest, but what it is, no one knows. I’d say Hossein has his dialed in pretty damn good though, for his chosen sport. 
Yeah, I’m inclined to agree with Nino. Except where weight class limitations force lifters to cut fat, we see very few strenght athletes with single digit bodyfat. I thin that weight- fat or muscle- improves leverage. Plus carrying a little fat seems to improve recovery. I think it is very tempting to speculate on what kind of a superhero Hossein Rezazadeh, Andy Bolton, Brian Siders, etc. would look like if they had 5% bodyfat but there are some very real physical contraints that create a trade-off between strength and lean.
[quote]Nino wrote:
For all the folks talking about how much better his performance would be if he were to lose a lot of fat…I’m struggling for the right words here because I don’t want to be rude. It’s simply a matter of leverages, and until you go from a lean build to a higher BF but “fit” build, you can’t appreciate the difference.
If that man were to magically shed fat down to 5% BF he’d not be able to lift nearly as much. Sure he’d still be pretty strong, but he’d certainly lose his standing as an olympic champion because of the loss of leverages. Maybe there is a magic BF% number for each and every one of us where we’re strongest, but what it is, no one knows. I’d say Hossein has his dialed in pretty damn good though, for his chosen sport. ;)[/quote]
[quote]Nino wrote:
For all the folks talking about how much better his performance would be if he were to lose a lot of fat…I’m struggling for the right words here because I don’t want to be rude. It’s simply a matter of leverages, and until you go from a lean build to a higher BF but “fit” build, you can’t appreciate the difference.
If that man were to magically shed fat down to 5% BF he’d not be able to lift nearly as much. Sure he’d still be pretty strong, but he’d certainly lose his standing as an olympic champion because of the loss of leverages. Maybe there is a magic BF% number for each and every one of us where we’re strongest, but what it is, no one knows. I’d say Hossein has his dialed in pretty damn good though, for his chosen sport. ;)[/quote]
Finally, someone who knows what there talkin about. In all the Russian manuals on power they list the ideal bodyfat percentage of a strength athelete to be 12-18%, even more for SHW atheletes. Check out Supertraining by Mel Ciff, he knew a thing or two. Low bodyfat does not contribute to muscle development or power AT ALL.
The ONLY lift that a higher bodyfat percentage does not help is the deadlift, because eventually it gets difficult to grt the bar around the gut. Only non SHW weight competitiors worry about bodyfat/weight compostition… for obvious reasons of staying competitive in a weight class. Leverage is leverage.
Rhezazeedah has broken all the Olympic records and you still question his ability to know what he is doing?
[quote]superscience wrote:
Very strong and impressive but i prefer rezazas because he doesn’t use knee wraps and does it oly style. [/quote]
Those aren’t knee wraps. They’re just neoprene sleves. They provide no performance benefit.
So when i get back to training i will maintain my muscle mass and add on a stone of fat to get stronger in my squat and c and j, that is one of the stupidist things ive heard.
If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.
I really think rezaza could have achieved bigger lifts in oly lifting with better diet. Get Berardi working with him.
Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.
Another example of a person who would get stronger if he lost fat is glenn ross.
[quote]Nino wrote:
For all the folks talking about how much better his performance would be if he were to lose a lot of fat…I’m struggling for the right words here because I don’t want to be rude. It’s simply a matter of leverages, and until you go from a lean build to a higher BF but “fit” build, you can’t appreciate the difference.
If that man were to magically shed fat down to 5% BF he’d not be able to lift nearly as much. Sure he’d still be pretty strong, but he’d certainly lose his standing as an olympic champion because of the loss of leverages. Maybe there is a magic BF% number for each and every one of us where we’re strongest, but what it is, no one knows. I’d say Hossein has his dialed in pretty damn good though, for his chosen sport. ;)[/quote]
Since when does leverages matter when coming out of the hole in a submaximal squat.
I cant see no leverage benefits from the clean part of the lift or the jerk, only in the hole and it would hardly matter because its no were near their max fsquat.
[quote]superscience wrote:
So when i get back to training i will maintain my muscle mass and add on a stone of fat to get stronger in my squat and c and j, that is one of the stupidist things ive heard.
If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.
I really think rezaza could have achieved bigger lifts in oly lifting with better diet. Get Berardi working with him.
Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.
Another example of a person who would get stronger if he lost fat is glenn ross. [/quote]
There is a big difference between running 100m and a clean a jerk. Like for instance, he doesn’t have to move his big ass 100m.
Glenn Ross is/was working with a nutrititionist as I can remember.
You can read some articles of him, Anthony Ricciuto, on Elitefts…
[quote]superscience wrote:
Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.
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Chiqichev is easily my favorite lifter. He’s a fucking animal, and looks good doing it.
[quote]superscience wrote:
So when i get back to training i will maintain my muscle mass and add on a stone of fat to get stronger in my squat and c and j, that is one of the stupidist things ive heard.
If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.
I really think rezaza could have achieved bigger lifts in oly lifting with better diet. Get Berardi working with him.
Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.
Another example of a person who would get stronger if he lost fat is glenn ross. [/quote]
I hear what you are getting at, but using sprinters isn’t the best example since they have to move their bodies through space. I think maybe the shotput would be a good example to compare to weightlifting.
[quote]Krollmonster wrote:
superscience wrote:
So when i get back to training i will maintain my muscle mass and add on a stone of fat to get stronger in my squat and c and j, that is one of the stupidist things ive heard.
If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.
I really think rezaza could have achieved bigger lifts in oly lifting with better diet. Get Berardi working with him.
Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.
Another example of a person who would get stronger if he lost fat is glenn ross.
I hear what you are getting at, but using sprinters isn’t the best example since they have to move their bodies through space. I think maybe the shotput would be a good example to compare to weightlifting.
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Mmmm not really because they aren’t lifting their body, in weightlifting they are lifting half their body with their legs, so if the top half has 20kg extra bodyfat (which has no benefit and is not needed), that is 20kg added to what their legs have to lift.
Oly lifters are lifting half their body and the extra weight with their legs just like sprinters who propel their body forward via their legs with no added weight.
A sprinter having extra fat will slow him down because of the extra force needed to move his body, just like a weightlifter will need extra force from the legs to move his extra bodyweight plus the bar.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
superscience wrote:
Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.
Chiqichev is easily my favorite lifter. He’s a fucking animal, and looks good doing it.[/quote]
Yeah i like him and rezaza best in the heavys. I hope chiqichev breaks the records it will look better for the sport having a guy in shape winning.
[quote]superscience wrote:
RickJames wrote:
Less than double bodyweight…that’s good for a high school kid.
He has a lot more in him 280kg is far from his max.
Hossein weighs around 160kg. Lets say hes carrying 50kg of bodyfat and his max fs is about 320kg. This means that his 110kg of lbm is squatting 370kg which is really a 3.3 times bodyweight front squat.
Imagine Hossein losing 40kg of fat only, he would be a machine.
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who cares if he loses 40 kg of fat if his lift goes down 41 kg? that’s called a net loss.
it’s good to question training methods in sport, but you need to start realizing that the scientific method is the only way to figure out what works in athletics. you can’t use pure logic to try to figure out what does and does not work in sports.
ps-seriously, change your name already, because you clearly don’t know the first thing about science.
[quote]rawda wrote:
superscience wrote:
RickJames wrote:
Less than double bodyweight…that’s good for a high school kid.
He has a lot more in him 280kg is far from his max.
Hossein weighs around 160kg. Lets say hes carrying 50kg of bodyfat and his max fs is about 320kg. This means that his 110kg of lbm is squatting 370kg which is really a 3.3 times bodyweight front squat.
Imagine Hossein losing 40kg of fat only, he would be a machine.
who cares if he loses 40 kg of fat if his lift goes down 41 kg? that’s called a net loss.
it’s good to question training methods in sport, but you need to start realizing that the scientific method is the only way to figure out what works in athletics. you can’t use pure logic to try to figure out what does and does not work in sports.
ps-seriously, change your name already, because you clearly don’t know the first thing about science.
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What i said was not to be taken literally, but as a way to explain why hes only doing a double fs and how he could do more. He hasnt got the genetics to allow him to lose 40kg and maintain all his muscle, he could maybe lose 10-20 imo and maintain is lbm.
[quote]SquatDr wrote:
he is a machine and i would love to see him low bar powerlift squat. as for figuring out lean body mass squats, it isnt a good indicator imo because he would loose a lot of strength cutting down. either way, the man is a freak![/quote]
The low bar would help, but as far a the guys saying he should change his stance and just drop to parallel, I truly believe that guys who are build like that would still squat more straight up and down.
[quote]superscience wrote:
If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.
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Because he’s juiced to the gills, is state sponsored, and can train/eat all day. This isn’t to say he doesn’t work hard, he obviously does, but he has some pretty serious advantages.
Besides, do you even follow strongman except for the WSM? Zadrunas and Vasyl have gotten better than Pudz, and they both carry more bodyfat.
Of course Big Daddy Ross needs to lose weight, he’s a fucking tub of lard. A damn strong tub, but an extra 100lbs sorta hinders a farmer’s walk performance. Not at all a valid comparison to the SHW weightlifters.
-Dan
[quote]Krollmonster wrote:
superscience wrote:
So when i get back to training i will maintain my muscle mass and add on a stone of fat to get stronger in my squat and c and j, that is one of the stupidist things ive heard.
If carrying fat does not interfere with power, then why arent all the 100m sprinters fat and why is pudzianowski dominating strongman.
I really think rezaza could have achieved bigger lifts in oly lifting with better diet. Get Berardi working with him.
Chiqichev beat him in the snatch in quatar hes not obese.
Another example of a person who would get stronger if he lost fat is glenn ross.
I hear what you are getting at, but using sprinters isn’t the best example since they have to move their bodies through space. I think maybe the shotput would be a good example to compare to weightlifting.
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Gains and losses in lean body mass by sprinters has no negative correlation to sprinting ability.
The biomechanical peculiarity about sprinting is that body fat actively interferes with high speed limb movement. 20% bodyfat for a sprinter is similar to sprinting in 4 sweat suits. The material just gets in the way.
BTW it has been shown that 40 yard sprint times drop about .05 seconds for every 1% drop in bodyfat percent between 6%-20%. A 20% BF guy with a 5.4 40 could drop to 4.9, just by dropping from 20% to 10% bodyfat.