High Dose, Short Cycle

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Workout could have been better. I improved the weight on most lifts and definitely gained reps, I just didn’t feel good doing it…

The best way to describe tonight was that I was dragging ass… but I got through it for sure.

I’m thinking that my Mike Mentzer-like training sessions for the past 2 weeks have taken a toll and just worn me down even though I’ve been eating non-stop and getting plenty of rest.

So…

I decided the next two days will be full body workouts. I will pick one lift for for each bodypart, do two quick sets of that lift, one at 12-15 and the other 8-10, and that will be my workout for the next couple days in an effort to recover… Should work for me, I have had to do it in the past.

Right now it’s definintely an overload on nutrition for me. Whey protein, 1.25 lbs of chicken which I will make into quesadillas, .25 gallon of milk, 2 PBJs, and a bit of deer sausage…

Then a bit of melatonin to knock my ass out and luckily I don’t have to wake until 11:30 tomorrow due to my morning lab being cancelled…

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Well today is a big day in the cycle for me fellas…

I’m back on the drol and winny, and just injected 75mg of tren ace.

That was about 10 minutes ago. So far, no weird sides from the tren like that cough or being severely light headed…

Feel pretty damn good actually…

We’ll see how total body goes in an hour…

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
Well today is a big day in the cycle for me fellas…

I’m back on the drol and winny, and just injected 75mg of tren ace.

That was about 10 minutes ago. So far, no weird sides from the tren like that cough or being severely light headed…

Feel pretty damn good actually…

We’ll see how total body goes in an hour…[/quote]

How many total mls are you injecting at a time, and what site rotation are you using? Any soreness or pain upon injections?
I’m looking forward to hearing how the tren affects you. I have definitely decided to employ this in my next cycle in about 3 months.

Selfishly, I hope you will switch to EOD injections after a while because I want to see how differently it affects you.

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Well total body actually went pretty damn good believe it or not. As I mentioned yesterday, I’m going to take today and tomorrow as sort of “de-load periods” because I’m feeling quite burnt out after my intense training of the past few weeks.

In answer to your questions Cortes. I am injecting .75ml at a time. I plan on just shooting my glutes, alternately between each every day obviously. No real plans to incorporate anything else, however if need be, I will probably use my delts. That’s a last resort however seeing how injections have little to no effect on me pain wise. I do have to be careful on my left glute though, due to the fact I some rather nasty scar tissue there.

I am going to run 13 days of ED injections, and then just for you Cortes, lol, I will switch to EOD shooting 1.5ml (150mg) at a time to see how that goes for me.

Tonight I just plan on eating non-stop and then getting a great rest for 10-12 hours.

it’s been roughly 4 hours since injecting my tren and I still have not had any sides associated with it near injection time, namely-- the “tren cough.”

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
In answer to your questions Cortes. I am injecting .75ml at a time. I plan on just shooting my glutes, alternately between each every day obviously. No real plans to incorporate anything else, however if need be, I will probably use my delts. That’s a last resort however seeing how injections have little to no effect on me pain wise. I do have to be careful on my left glute though, due to the fact I some rather nasty scar tissue there.

I am going to run 13 days of ED injections, and then just for you Cortes, lol, I will switch to EOD shooting 1.5ml (150mg) at a time to see how that goes for me.
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Haha! Thanks man. I look forward to it and appreciate your experimenting upon yourself for my benefit.

Actually, I think I didn’t make myself clear. My question referred to the total amount of AAS you are injecting at a given time. I know it is different every day, but you are injecting test and tren in addition to other compounds, right? I’m just wondering how many mls some of those big shots are, if you are pinning it all at once, etc. I’ve yet to pin more than 1ml at a time, myself.

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[quotMy question referred to the total amount of AAS you are injecting at a given time. I know it is different every day, but you are injecting test and tren in addition to other compounds, right? I’m just wondering how many mls some of those big shots are, if you are pinning it all at once, etc. I’ve yet to pin more than 1ml at a time, myself. [/quote]

Well, my test enan is 200mg/ml. I run 800mg/wk. I inject on mondays and thursdays, 2ml each time in the glutes. I will be doing tren for, roughly, the next 4 weeks. The first two of which will be ED injections of 75mg, and the last two I am going to try 150mg EOD and see how that goes. If I don’t like it, then I will simply switch back to 75mg ED.

My tren ace is 100mg/ml. I use 75mg ED, so that is .75ml ED.

For the next two weeks I am also using 100mg anadrol and 50mg ED.

My test shots are right when I get out of the shower before bed, and my tren shots are right after my morning shower.

Altogether, I will be using 1.325g of injectables a week plus 1.050g of orals. Seems pretty high, but that’s why I’m keeping my cycle short and sweet at 8 weeks total. The orals will be ran for 2 weeks with tren and test, followed by two weeks of tren and test, followed by finishing my cycle off with test only.

I have not seen fit to use Adex yet, so we’ll see how that progresses. I tend to get very moody when I am on it, so if am able, I will definitely stay away from it.

Here is my revised cycle:

Wk1: 800mg test enan, 100mg anadrol + 50mg winstrol ED
Wk2: 800mg test enan
Wks3+4: 800mg test enan, 100mg anadrol + 50mg winstrol + 75mg tren ace ED
Wks5+6: 800mg test enan, 150mg tren ace EOD
Wks7-8: 800mg test enan
Wks9-14: 100mg test enan
Wk15: 80mg test enan
Wk16: 60mg test enan
Wk17: 40mg test enan
Wk18: 20mg test enan
Wk19: 20mg test enan

Earlier Bushy had made the comment that since my cycle is only 8 weeks, perhaps I could cut the stasis period down to 4 weeks. You’ll notice I stuck with 6. This is not to piss the Bush man off, but rather I am of the believe that those extra 2 weeks could greatly improve my recovery since I am using some very suppressive compounds.

For those of you who don’t agree with this, see the picture…

Actually no, you’re entitled to your opinion, that picture just makes me smile…

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sorry couldn’t resist world

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Nice to see you using the tren ED. I do not recall from this whole thread whether or not you have done tren prior. However after the two weeks it will likley feel as though you are now supressed to a whole new level.

At that time you may want to take wks 5-6 off (of tren) and then use the tren agian for wks 7-8. Then possibly adding on another two weeks of test prior to taper.

Just something else to keep you thinking.

Id also watch those injection points. I know my body would not like me in the least little bit if I was hitting the same spot close to EOD.

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[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Nice to see you using the tren ED. I do not recall from this whole thread whether or not you have done tren prior. However after the two weeks it will likley feel as though you are now supressed to a whole new level.

At that time you may want to take wks 5-6 off (of tren) and then use the tren agian for wks 7-8. Then possibly adding on another two weeks of test prior to taper.

Just something else to keep you thinking.

Id also watch those injection points. I know my body would not like me in the least little bit if I was hitting the same spot close to EOD.[/quote]

This is my first dip into the tren world… Previously I’ve only messed with test enan, dianabol, anadrol, and winstrol.

I like that you brought up the idea of bringing the tren back for wks7-8 instead of 5-6 for several reasons. Firstly, give my body a little recovery time. And then secondly, the fact that tren seems to give a very hard and defined look-- that would be nice at the end of my cycle.

I am not going to add an extra two weeks of test before my stasis though, I want to keep this 8 weeks at the max before my taper to see how I react to high dose, short schedule cycle. You’ll notice that in the effort of recovery I kept my stasis period at 6 weeks (just like I would on a 12-16 week cycle) as opposed to 4 which would be expected on a shorter cycle.

We’ll see how I react to getting my glutes stuck everyday. I’m not trying to toot my own horn but it would surprise me if a 25g needle is really going to bother me all that much. We’ll see…

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[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Nice to see you using the tren ED. I do not recall from this whole thread whether or not you have done tren prior. However after the two weeks it will likley feel as though you are now supressed to a whole new level.

At that time you may want to take wks 5-6 off (of tren) and then use the tren agian for wks 7-8. Then possibly adding on another two weeks of test prior to taper.

Just something else to keep you thinking.

Id also watch those injection points. I know my body would not like me in the least little bit if I was hitting the same spot close to EOD.[/quote]

LillGuy I’ve noted you have referred to tren’s suppressive qualities a number of times. My only cycle so far has been far from suppressive, so I really don’t have a good grasp of what you mean by it. Would you mind describing the effects, how you feel and such, when you are suppressed after a heavy cycle?

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I could not sleep last night. It was also the first day of tren for me. Not a big surprise to me personally, I’ve heard the side effects come quick and come hard.

I pretty much laid in bed for about 2 hours last night before I just said fuck it. It felt like the surface of the sun in here too, but I had the thermostat on 63 so it was definitely cold. Anyways, eventually I just took a bunch of melatonin and passed out around 6:00 AM after having gorged myself for several hours. Seeing how I couldn’t sleep I figured I would do something constructive-- eat.

Anyways, woke up at 2 in the fucking afternoon today. Been dragging ass all day and sadly took the day off from the gym.

Took the tren again today too. I figure I’ll get used to it soon enough.

Oh yeah, and my appetite was significantly less today as opposed to what it’s been as of late. Eh whatever…

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Best of luck with this, not your usual cycle :slight_smile:

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[quote]Corkonian wrote:
Best of luck with this, not your usual cycle :slight_smile:
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I appreciate it chief. Making great gains so far.

What’s so unusual about it anyway?

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I could sort of sleep last night. It was that weird sleep where you are having brief dreams and are near constantly waking up and rolling around. So I didn’t get my lazy ass out of bed today until late by which point I realized I was unbelievably dehydrated (due to night sweats) and have decided that today is going to be an off day. I am just going to hydrate and eat in the effort of at least doing something constructive…

I did not take any tren today. Since I am running the ace, the level should be greatly diminished tonight and I want to see how I react to that when I try to go to sleep.

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I did not take the tren today to see if it would make any sort of difference tonight. It hasn’t in case you can’t tell.

There is absolutely nothing I can do to go to sleep.

If this keeps up tomorrow, it will definitely be affecting my training and there can’t be any of that, so the tren just might have to go.

I think it definitely has the potential to greatly improve my physique, but at the same time these side effects just aren’t worth it to me yet.

For those of you reading this and are now scared off taking tren, use this as an example to prove the point that different people react in different ways. My buddy is currently taking tren ace as well and suffered none of the side effects I am experiencing, however he did indicate he was quite irritable for the first 10 or so days.

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Wow the sleep problem sounds horrible and annoying :frowning: LET THE TREN GO the lack of sleep from it sounds like its affecting gains and making your cycle seem less enjoyable.

Your before cycle physique photos are awesome and I look forward to seeing what this cycle does to your after pictures… Any plans for the new physique after the cycle?

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World, that’s too bad about the tren-ace. Like I said earlier in the thread, I had the same problem initially, of being unable to sleep. I’d just lay there on top of the blanket, staring at the ceiling, lol. I toughed it out for about 5 days and after that everything seemed to “normalize”, and I was able to sleep just fine again.

Maybe give it another shot a few weeks from now. The strength and muscle I’ve gained while on just 50mg of tren-ace ED (and test-e 250mg E3D) feels really dense and “keep-able”, if that makes any sense. I’m around 240 lbs. right now and my body feels normal at this weight, while on my previous cycle of just 500mg a week of test-e, I felt huge whenever I went over 230.

Trenbolone is pretty amazing stuff if your body can tolerate it.

JR

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Yep… I am pissed off today…

Actually got a decent amount of sleep last night and had a great TB workout planned for today…

And then Mother Nature decided to shit on those plans-- we had a huge ice storm hit my town and the power is out pretty much everywhere including my gym… pissed pissed pissed…

I am seriously considering cutting the tren here in a couple days though fellas…

I like what it’s done to my body that I can see so far, but the sides just suck.

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The power was restored to part of town late today, so I ended up getting a nice workout in tonight.

And today is the first day I have felt somewhat normal while taking tren. I love it-- kicked ass and took names tonight in the gym.

One thing I have noticed though is irritability. I’m not sure that this is due directly to the tren, but rather indirectly because of the fact I have not been getting enough rest.

However, things are looking good for tonight’s sleep- I’m bushed.

I was considering the idea of changing my training up to something HIT style… perhaps DC… not quite sure yet.

Anybody have any thoughts regarding that?

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
The power was restored to part of town late today, so I ended up getting a nice workout in tonight.

And today is the first day I have felt somewhat normal while taking tren. I love it-- kicked ass and took names tonight in the gym.

One thing I have noticed though is irritability. I’m not sure that this is due directly to the tren, but rather indirectly because of the fact I have not been getting enough rest.

However, things are looking good for tonight’s sleep- I’m bushed.

I was considering the idea of changing my training up to something HIT style… perhaps DC… not quite sure yet.

Anybody have any thoughts regarding that?
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Bah, I just typed a massive reply to this but I don’t think it went through…

Anyway,

Points for DC:

  1. I have often read that AAS are more productive during HIT vs HVT.

  2. A DC “blast” suits your cycle length nicely.

  3. Gains are amazing with DC, but take 2 weeks to really get going (as a natural anyway), so stick with it for the rest of your cycle, at least.

  4. On a similar note to the above, DC is a big investment. You rotate 6 sessions so it’s best to make the commitment and stick with it for a good while.

  5. I would suggest beginning your “cruise” on your last week of AAS. I think it would be best to still have a lot of AAS in your system to fully recovery from the blasting. This is what I’ll be doing in my upcoming 6-8 weeker anyway.

  6. Stick to the DC template exactly as Dante describes. A lot of people have tried to be smart (myself included) and fucked it up completely. Seriously, even the slightest tweak can throw everything off, on AAS or not.

  7. Scott M is a good one to ask about this, he’s T-Nation’s resident Dante-apprentice.