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About to finish up my short cruise (6 weeks) and start getting ready for another meet.

Was cruising at 250 test per week (125mg administered sub-Q twice a week). The sub-Q injections seemed to work well and provided a nice period of rest from IM injections.

This next blast I am going to be more conservative, and shy away from tren (I am tired of losing weight, and I always do on tren). Using deca to help take care of some injuries that have been lingering and put on some size going into this next meet.

Plan is
1-14 Test cyp 250mg per week
1-14 Deca 600-900mg per week, haven’t decided yet
2-4 Superdrol 15mg ED
11-14 D-bol 50mg ED
1-14 caber at .25mg E3D

Considering adding halo at 20mg per day the last two weeks as well.

This will lead up to a big raw meet in August.

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I am just interested, why not more test and less deca? or just more test than 250mgs?

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I think you might have meant ‘adex’ and written ‘caber’? Do you use hCG?

I would be mildly concerned about liver toxicity running dbol and halo together, but it’s probably OK. I ran 100mg dbol ED for a week and while I felt like death, I didn’t turn yellow or anything. I feel normal again now that I’m mostly off. Hell, if my buddy can run 250mg of anadrol ED for a week and be fine, I have to think that the toxicity of 17-aa’s is somewhat overstated… or he’s just a freak of nature.

Halo only has a 9 hour half-life, though, so I don’t know if there’s any advantage to running it for 2 weeks, you might think about just running it for 3-4 days leading up to your meet.

Have you run dbol before? Do you get sides? Acne? Constant low back pump? Itchy nipples? Temper? (Just listing the sides I experienced). I thought I wanted to run halo for the week leading up to my meet, but dbol makes my temper so quick that I was afraid on halo I would end up punching a cop or something.

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I am keeping the test low because a lot of powerlifters are trying cycles similar to this and it is working well. You might say it is the current fad cycle and I decided to jump on the bandwagon this time because it seems to fit my current goals. Its based on the idea that prolactin and estrogen cause sides synergistically, and by keeping test low you can mitigate the sides from 19-nors.

That plus I have noticed I feel the best when I am cruising at 250mg a week, and decide to just throw a little something on top for a few weeks. (For example, on some cruises I throw in 2-3 weeks of some oral, or maybe tren ace.) I am making all the gains I need really while I am cruising right now at 250mg test. Started force feeding again and pushing recovery work, as well as changing my training and I have put on 13lbs in 4 weeks while just cruising on 250mg test… and I dropped from 13.1 to 11.7% bodyfat (the 13.1% was from about 5-6 weeks ago)… Current weight is 258.

Also supraphysiological doses of testosterone actually reduce collagen synthesis so I am trying to keep my test dose within the HRT limits while adding the nandrolone to improve collagen synthesis.

My strength is going up very well as a result of my training, and the superdrol and other orals should provide all the additional strength boost I need. The main goal of this cycle is to put on some weight and help heal up some injuries and strengthen connective tissues (the reason I will likely also add mod GRF and GHRP6, although I forgot to mention those)

I didn’t mean adex, I did mean caber. .25mg E3d was what I found to be a good conservative precautionary dose, and although I disagree with a lot of shit Anthony Roberts says he mentioned its use as a nootropic and the ability of caber to improve memory and increase the ability of athletes to learn new motor patterns and techniques. Since I am personally very big on the use of adaptogens and nootropics (Although I am not consistent with using them, when I do I recover from max effort work MUCH faster) I found this possible application of caber to be intriguing and thought I would try it out.

I have ran all these compounds before, except for deca. I will admit I had some prolactin issues one time on tren that I did not properly treat (mostly because my gains were great at the time and I would be off the tren in a few weeks), that resulted in lactation for about 3 weeks… which wasn’t that bad actually. It was actually priceless the first time it happened when my girlfriend bit my nipple as a joke and a few drops came out in her mouth. She freaked out at first, then she thought it was funny too. At any rate, those issues led me to the decision to try and prevent excessive prolactin elevation this time, rather than waiting for the sides to show up.

I did forget to list adex though. Right now I am using .05mg ED (liquid, so I can measure it that exact), just because if I use it EOD I will end up forgetting if it is an off day or on day.

I will consider running the halo a shorter period of time. Some guys seem to like it a week before a meet, some two weeks and some for just a few days.

I use hcg intermittently. I know I should use it all the time since I cruise and blast, but I don’t. I just honestly know I won’t ever be recovering as I had low test before I went on, and I am not too keen on the ideas of kids anyway… plus my shriveled nuts make the rest look bigger lol. Generally every now and then I will grab an amp or two of hcg, use it until it is gone and whenever I happen to get more I will use it.

Regarding hepatoxicity, I think it is overstated. I know plenty of guys who take 100mg d-bol ED for 6 weeks leading up to a meet, and have never had any issues. Several of them have even had bloodwork done, and yes liver enzymes were elevated during the d-bol usage, but I was told their liver enzyme values returned to normal within 2-3 weeks after the d-bol was discontinued.

D-bol gives me more sides than anything else honestly, except maybe tren. Pretty much just bad acne and back pumps. I am just using it because I made a shit ton, it is potent and I get great strength and size gains from d-bol, and I can run 50mg for 6 weeks for about $1.50…

For me with d-bol there is not a ton of aggression, but then again I have learned to handle myself better now. Aggression is when you take 100mg suspension, 50mg anadrol or d-bol, 500mcg oral tren and 20mg halo pre-workout, while you are already on almost a gram of test and on tren too…I felt like I could fight a rhino, rip its fucking horn out, and kill it with it. I do not advocate anyone do this, but as I have stated many times, I have a blatant disregard for my health, and it was a fun workout between the nosebleeds.

Honestly halo is best pre-training and meet day only according to a lot of guys, so I may just save a little money and do it that way.

Also, not sure it is okay to post this link but I will anyway, and if the mods wish to remove the link that is fine, but here is what I read by anthony roberts that led me to use caber from the start

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Interesting. I’ve never considered using deca, mainly because now that I’ve done a 12 week cycle, I’m sure I want to go the other direction and start trying the 2on/2off approach, and even NPP is a little long-estered for that, although I could probably make it work if I really wanted. Obviously our goals are not entirely aligned.

You should consider running hCG, your nuts produce other steroid hormones that are nice to have around, and it’s really quite cheap. There’s a reason it’s part of the TRT protocol.

Don’t get me wrong, dbol is fucking amazing. On top of the bloat, it makes me strong as shit, and I found that the sides were quite manageable once I upped my adex. I stopped the adex 3 days out from my meet so I could add some extra bloat, and the aggression definitely started coming back. It was only alarming because it was so completely out of character for me.

As little as 30mg of dbol ED results in amazing pumps when training, around 50 I have a constant low back pump, and somewhere around 70 my calves and tibialis start getting painfully pumped if I have to walk quickly. By the time I got to 100mg ED I was completely useless for anything except lifting, eating, and fucking. I couldn’t even comfortably take a walk to the coffeeshop with my wife in the morning, but I could do a set of 6 good mornings with my pre-AAS PR raw squat, so…

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[quote]hockeysledder wrote:
Interesting. I’ve never considered using deca, mainly because now that I’ve done a 12 week cycle, I’m sure I want to go the other direction and start trying the 2on/2off approach, and even NPP is a little long-estered for that, although I could probably make it work if I really wanted. Obviously our goals are not entirely aligned.

You should consider running hCG, your nuts produce other steroid hormones that are nice to have around, and it’s really quite cheap. There’s a reason it’s part of the TRT protocol.

Don’t get me wrong, dbol is fucking amazing. On top of the bloat, it makes me strong as shit, and I found that the sides were quite manageable once I upped my adex. I stopped the adex 3 days out from my meet so I could add some extra bloat, and the aggression definitely started coming back. It was only alarming because it was so completely out of character for me.

As little as 30mg of dbol ED results in amazing pumps when training, around 50 I have a constant low back pump, and somewhere around 70 my calves and tibialis start getting painfully pumped if I have to walk quickly. By the time I got to 100mg ED I was completely useless for anything except lifting, eating, and fucking. I couldn’t even comfortably take a walk to the coffeeshop with my wife in the morning, but I could do a set of 6 good mornings with my pre-AAS PR raw squat, so…[/quote]

You may be able to make the NPP work for 2 weekers but I don’t think anything with a phenyl-propionate is ideal for it, so you are right there. If you are seeking collagen synthesis, anavar may be good for 2 weekers.

And about the hcg, I know. I feel better when I use it, but not a ton. When it comes down to dropping 20 bucks on 5000iu of hcg, or 20 bucks on a vial or two of test (depending on where I get it) I generally go for the test. I had planned to pick some up soon.

I get pretty good strength gains from d-bol as well, but honestly my favorite compound for strength is superdrol. From a health standpoint it isn’t the best choice, but for strength it trumps everything, except MAYBE tren… for me anyway. It just doesn’t give me the aggressive mindset I like going into a meet.

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Definitely following this.

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Started today. Decided against adding peptides right now. I’ll probably start the peptides on my next cruise or if my appetite drops at any point.

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[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
Started today. Decided against adding peptides right now. I’ll probably start the peptides on my next cruise or if my appetite drops at any point.

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I personally need more test than that with that much deca, otherwise its limp noodle time.

Throw in some tren to your cycle, and if you are used to losing weight on it, halve the dose. I’ve ran deca with tren twice now and the second time, the gains were freaking unreal when the deca kicked in, and I mean my muscles felt like they were literally going to burst 24/7. First time around I was running a low carb diet second time regular carbs so that definately has something to do with the difference. I should have added some dbol too at the time lol.

Ive never ran superdrol before, how does it compare on the liver to dbol? Does anyone whos ran it actually have any liver issues or had any bloodwork done on it?

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I considered adding 200mg/week of tren E the last 8 weeks. I have seen a few guys add it in a dose that low lately.

Superdrol is a little harder on the liver if I remember correctly, and I do think a few people had liver issues from it, but from my understanding they were using them improperly. A friend of mine got bloodwork done and liver enzymes were elevated but not to an extent to worry about. He only ran it 3 weeks at a time though. In my opinion the strength gains are well worth it.

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[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
I considered adding 200mg/week of tren E the last 8 weeks. I have seen a few guys add it in a dose that low lately.

Superdrol is a little harder on the liver if I remember correctly, and I do think a few people had liver issues from it, but from my understanding they were using them improperly. A friend of mine got bloodwork done and liver enzymes were elevated but not to an extent to worry about. He only ran it 3 weeks at a time though. In my opinion the strength gains are well worth it.[/quote]

I would seriously consider it, there is some definate synergy between the two. The other thing I was going to suggest because you lose weight is to eat more, but I thought that was so obvious you’d probably tried it :). Some extra full fat dairy and milk might tip the scales in your favour though with the tren.

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Isn’t most of the weight loss with Tren water anyway.

I fucking love Tren, dissapointed that my blast is coming to an end. I only have about a shot, maybe two left in the Tren bottle.

Then a Cyp cruise for a while in the off season.

This thread is very interesting, seems a lot more knowledge than most of the threads in these parts.

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[quote]sidewalkdances wrote:
Isn’t most of the weight loss with Tren water anyway.

I fucking love Tren, dissapointed that my blast is coming to an end. I only have about a shot, maybe two left in the Tren bottle.

Then a Cyp cruise for a while in the off season.

This thread is very interesting, seems a lot more knowledge than most of the threads in these parts.[/quote]

What would cause tren water?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]BigSkwatta wrote:
I considered adding 200mg/week of tren E the last 8 weeks. I have seen a few guys add it in a dose that low lately.

Superdrol is a little harder on the liver if I remember correctly, and I do think a few people had liver issues from it, but from my understanding they were using them improperly. A friend of mine got bloodwork done and liver enzymes were elevated but not to an extent to worry about. He only ran it 3 weeks at a time though. In my opinion the strength gains are well worth it.[/quote]

I would seriously consider it, there is some definate synergy between the two. The other thing I was going to suggest because you lose weight is to eat more, but I thought that was so obvious you’d probably tried it :). Some extra full fat dairy and milk might tip the scales in your favour though with the tren.[/quote]

I was up around 10,000 calories and was barely maintaining weight. I was getting leaner at that weight still.

I am now considering shortening the d-bol at the end and adding mast the last 4-6 weeks at 50-100mg ED.

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10,000 calories weren’t enough? Wow. That’s a Michael Phelps type metabolism.

The only time I tried Deca, I used 600mg + 200mg Test weekly. I quickly had to stop as I was in a DEEP lethargy. I was undriven in every day life. Not depressed, just totally unmotivated. I then found a few posts about this. Just watch out if it happens. I lowered it to 200mg weekly for the Deca, upped the Test, and it came back to normal. Tren does quite the opposite for me so I’m not sure it’s a prolactin issue.

I might be doing my very last true off cycle right now. I had my kids. Am at an age most athletes have retired. So when I’m off, I do feel the age. And it sucks. You feel so much better on cycle, or at least at TRT levels. Yet staying on all the time seems to hit a sour spot for me. Didn’t it bother you guys at times when you decided to go blast and cruise forever?

I also dread that older guys seem to mention that they can’t take Tren anymore as it my favorite. In fact, I feel off when I go off Tren, whatever else I’d be on.

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:

[quote]sidewalkdances wrote:
Isn’t most of the weight loss with Tren water anyway.

I fucking love Tren, dissapointed that my blast is coming to an end. I only have about a shot, maybe two left in the Tren bottle.

Then a Cyp cruise for a while in the off season.

This thread is very interesting, seems a lot more knowledge than most of the threads in these parts.[/quote]

What would cause tren water?[/quote]
Very good.

Obviously what I meant was “Isn’t most of the weight loss with Tren water weight anyway?”

Tren water would be awesome though.

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[quote]SwD wrote:
10,000 calories weren’t enough? Wow. That’s a Michael Phelps type metabolism.

The only time I tried Deca, I used 600mg + 200mg Test weekly. I quickly had to stop as I was in a DEEP lethargy. I was undriven in every day life. Not depressed, just totally unmotivated. I then found a few posts about this. Just watch out if it happens. I lowered it to 200mg weekly for the Deca, upped the Test, and it came back to normal. Tren does quite the opposite for me so I’m not sure it’s a prolactin issue.

I might be doing my very last true off cycle right now. I had my kids. Am at an age most athletes have retired. So when I’m off, I do feel the age. And it sucks. You feel so much better on cycle, or at least at TRT levels. Yet staying on all the time seems to hit a sour spot for me. Didn’t it bother you guys at times when you decided to go blast and cruise forever?

I also dread that older guys seem to mention that they can’t take Tren anymore as it my favorite. In fact, I feel off when I go off Tren, whatever else I’d be on.
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Well based on having low test and elevated LH, I would assume that I was primary hypogonadal, so personally it didn’t bother me. Just seemed like something that needed to be done. I never cycled, went straight to cruise/blast.

and yes, on tren I was eating 10,000 calories a day for some time. A lot of it was shakes as I couldn’t get that much. I basically just switched all my shakes to a really high calorie weight gainer. I totaled up everything I use in it and it came up to 1300+ per shake. That made it a lot easier to reach 10,000.

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What did you have to eat w/o tren and on a cruise to maintain and gain?

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Not totally sure honestly. I didn’t a strict count before I was having to try really hard to hold onto weight. I aimed for at least 5000 then I would stop counting for the day.

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Well, my girlfriend got me sick. And since I refuse to go to doctors 99% of the time, I am still sick.

Started the superdrol anyway, and (yeah this is dumb) I had a prohormone sitting around that someone gave me because they got it and then were too scared to use it… so I used it too. Finaflex ripped.

While on the 600 deca, 250 cyp, I decided to do the orals like this with what I had left.

Week 1-2, Finaflex (had 14 pills)- 1 per day
Week 2-3 or 4 superdrol -15mg per day

I will say this, the finaflex is nice pre-workout. Maybe just because of the caffeine in it, but I think it is more than that. I gained some decent size too.

The superdrol, strength and recovery improved instantly, as always. Yesterday I rearranged a gym for 8 hours straight. My boss thought it would be a 3 hour project with the 10 people coming, but since only 4 showed up we were there awhile. Only time I stopped carrying weights around was to eat 2 slices of pizza that he bought for everyone, and then right back to it. Still right after work I went and got pretty close to hitting some all time bench PRs, so I know I am a ton stronger than I was. Yesterday was the strongest I have been since my pec injury.

As a disclaimer, don’t be stupid and use PHs, I don’t care about my health. If you use shit, stick to the well known AAS, not some crap like PHs. I would never advise people to do the stupid shit I do. I know it is reckless, but idgaf honestly.