Hey T Nation members!
I have been doing a cycle of wich contained:
Week 1-12 testo e 250mg e4d
week 6-12 mast e 200mg e4d
week 12-20 test p 150 eod
week 12-20 mast p 150 eod
HCG 1000 ui eod last two weeks (i got this very late so had to make best out of it)
Going to up my cal intake from 2000 to 3000 with more protein and little bit more carbs!
How would you do your pct? I got nolva, clomid , ostarine mk2866, daa, creatine and a very strict diet !
thanks
Anyone that could help me ?
Thinking about
Clomid
50/50/50/50
Nolvadex
20/20/20/20/10
Ostarine
0/25mg/12.5mg/12.5mg/0
and start using creating + DAA every day from day 1 till !
any better than this ?
drop the ostarine, otherwise it’s fine
i agree with Yogi… do not take Ostarine in PCT. in the study i’ve read, it only has very minor suppression at 3 mg/day, but most people run it at 25 mg/day, and several guys have reported minor gyno and suppression at that dose. there are some unscrupulous companies out there pushing this for PCT, and they are flat out screwing people over…
anyway, i wouldn’t combine clomid and nolva. they are very similar in what they do, except clomid actually makes the body less responsive to LHRH (there is also a theory floating around that since they are SERMs, too high of a dose of them can cause estrogen like side effects, as well…).
Aromasin is a good AI to combine with Nolvadex, as it doesn’t reduce the blood levels of Nolva like A-dex and Letro do. Aromasin is also extremely effective at raising testosterone levels on it’s own…
funny, I’ve read dozens of studies that show clomid is the superior choice for PCT.
Guess it’s just one of those situations where you need to try things for yourself and see what works
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
i agree with Yogi… do not take Ostarine in PCT. in the study i’ve read, it only has very minor suppression at 3 mg/day, but most people run it at 25 mg/day, and several guys have reported minor gyno and suppression at that dose. there are some unscrupulous companies out there pushing this for PCT, and they are flat out screwing people over…
anyway, i wouldn’t combine clomid and nolva. they are very similar in what they do, except clomid actually makes the body less responsive to LHRH (there is also a theory floating around that since they are SERMs, too high of a dose of them can cause estrogen like side effects, as well…).
Aromasin is a good AI to combine with Nolvadex, as it doesn’t reduce the blood levels of Nolva like A-dex and Letro do. Aromasin is also extremely effective at raising testosterone levels on it’s own…
[/quote]
Yes i read your post about pct and i will stick too only nolvadex this time but have in mind also adding IGF-1 LR3 for the pct, 50mcg subq pwo as ive read studies it doesnt matter subq/im, whats your pick on that ?
also thanks for the help i appriciate it alot!
[quote]Yogi wrote:
funny, I’ve read dozens of studies that show clomid is the superior choice for PCT.
Guess it’s just one of those situations where you need to try things for yourself and see what works[/quote]
could you post them on here?
i don’t think clomid is ineffective… it’s just that mg for mg, it’s far weaker than nolvadex, as most studies typically use 20 mg/nolva vs 150 mg/clomid. and, clomid tends to impart more side effects, as well…
i think the body’s response to LHRH is pretty important, for both short term and long term success, tho. clomid is simply far worse than nolva here…
[quote]Nubretlives wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
i agree with Yogi… do not take Ostarine in PCT. in the study i’ve read, it only has very minor suppression at 3 mg/day, but most people run it at 25 mg/day, and several guys have reported minor gyno and suppression at that dose. there are some unscrupulous companies out there pushing this for PCT, and they are flat out screwing people over…
anyway, i wouldn’t combine clomid and nolva. they are very similar in what they do, except clomid actually makes the body less responsive to LHRH (there is also a theory floating around that since they are SERMs, too high of a dose of them can cause estrogen like side effects, as well…).
Aromasin is a good AI to combine with Nolvadex, as it doesn’t reduce the blood levels of Nolva like A-dex and Letro do. Aromasin is also extremely effective at raising testosterone levels on it’s own…
[/quote]
Yes i read your post about pct and i will stick too only nolvadex this time but have in mind also adding IGF-1 LR3 for the pct, 50mcg subq pwo as ive read studies it doesnt matter subq/im, whats your pick on that ?
also thanks for the help i appriciate it alot![/quote]
oh, i didn’t catch that…
with the exception of Raloxifene (and Aromasin), the other SERMs actually lower IGF-1 levels, pretty significantly.
i’d go with Raloxifene along with Aromasin, if that’s the case…
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
funny, I’ve read dozens of studies that show clomid is the superior choice for PCT.
Guess it’s just one of those situations where you need to try things for yourself and see what works[/quote]
could you post them on here?
i don’t think clomid is ineffective… it’s just that mg for mg, it’s far weaker than nolvadex, as most studies typically use 20 mg/nolva vs 150 mg/clomid. and, clomid tends to impart more side effects, as well…[/quote]
Yeah man, I’ll dig them up when I’ve got time later.
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
oh, i didn’t catch that…
with the exception of Raloxifene (and Aromasin), the other SERMs actually lower IGF-1 levels, pretty significantly.
i’d go with Raloxifene along with Aromasin, if that’s the case…
Ok damn, i cant get a hand of raloxifene… aromasin i could get , searching now but pretty rare here where i live!
But ive read that nolva doesnt effect igf so much that it is noticeable , or am i wrong?
thanks
I prefer clomid over Nolva personally, but if I had to choose I would use both in my PCT.
[quote]CougarPride wrote:
I prefer clomid over Nolva personally, but if I had to choose I would use both in my PCT. [/quote]
Ya, a PCT should include both. It’s best to run the clomid solo for 3 weeks or so then add the nolva.
Again, there’s science behind this but I’m too lazy to link it.
Just trust your old pal Yogi!
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]CougarPride wrote:
I prefer clomid over Nolva personally, but if I had to choose I would use both in my PCT. [/quote]
Ya, a PCT should include both. It’s best to run the clomid solo for 3 weeks or so then add the nolva.
Again, there’s science behind this but I’m too lazy to link it.
Just trust your old pal Yogi![/quote]
dude, you gotta post this link.
i have never seen a logical reason behind this…
So my PCT starts tomorrow and will probably look like this, give me advice if its not good!
Nolvadex 20mg for 8 weeks (should i go 40 the first 2 weeks or something?)
IGF1 LR3 from week 3-8 (50mcg post wo ) can inject with insulin needle only? bicep will work but for instance in the pec? hamstring?
thanks!
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]CougarPride wrote:
I prefer clomid over Nolva personally, but if I had to choose I would use both in my PCT. [/quote]
Ya, a PCT should include both. It’s best to run the clomid solo for 3 weeks or so then add the nolva.
Again, there’s science behind this but I’m too lazy to link it.
Just trust your old pal Yogi![/quote]
dude, you gotta post this link.
i have never seen a logical reason behind this…
[/quote]
I tried to post to a link on another forum but the mods deleted it.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]CougarPride wrote:
I prefer clomid over Nolva personally, but if I had to choose I would use both in my PCT. [/quote]
Ya, a PCT should include both. It’s best to run the clomid solo for 3 weeks or so then add the nolva.
Again, there’s science behind this but I’m too lazy to link it.
Just trust your old pal Yogi![/quote]
dude, you gotta post this link.
i have never seen a logical reason behind this…
[/quote]
I tried to post to a link on another forum but the mods deleted it.
[/quote]
just post the link to the study, and i can extrapolate it…
[quote]Nubretlives wrote:
So my PCT starts tomorrow and will probably look like this, give me advice if its not good!
Nolvadex 20mg for 8 weeks (should i go 40 the first 2 weeks or something?)
IGF1 LR3 from week 3-8 (50mcg post wo ) can inject with insulin needle only? bicep will work but for instance in the pec? hamstring?
thanks!
[/quote]
again, Nolvadex reduces IGF-1 levels…
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]CougarPride wrote:
I prefer clomid over Nolva personally, but if I had to choose I would use both in my PCT. [/quote]
Ya, a PCT should include both. It’s best to run the clomid solo for 3 weeks or so then add the nolva.
Again, there’s science behind this but I’m too lazy to link it.
Just trust your old pal Yogi![/quote]
dude, you gotta post this link.
i have never seen a logical reason behind this…
[/quote]
I tried to post to a link on another forum but the mods deleted it.
[/quote]
just post the link to the study, and i can extrapolate it…[/quote]
It’s a whole big right up though and it’s another guy’s intellectual property. Also the forum it’s on takes itself pretty seriously and gets a bit arsey about people cutting and pasting from it.
Google Datbtrue and see what comes up
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]Nubretlives wrote:
So my PCT starts tomorrow and will probably look like this, give me advice if its not good!
Nolvadex 20mg for 8 weeks (should i go 40 the first 2 weeks or something?)
IGF1 LR3 from week 3-8 (50mcg post wo ) can inject with insulin needle only? bicep will work but for instance in the pec? hamstring?
thanks!
[/quote]
again, Nolvadex reduces IGF-1 levels…[/quote]
Yes but ive heard its not by much and ppl who have run it with nolva and say it works for them!
Btw ive asked a friend about Spot injections and he says e insulin needle is enough too get the job done on any muscle, just pin 90 degree down and inject!
I wanna check with you guys if this is true or do i need longer needles ?
thanks!