I quote from what ive read from one of many threads about nolva + igf1-lr3:
"IGF-1 naturally occurring works it is how the body functions but using a synthetic version which is what this thread is about does not use the same pathways in matured adults (not developing in growth so not a child) in developing muscle cells as IGF-1 one does…
Nolvadex reduces IGF-1 by approx 25% so conversion to IGF-1 naturally is affected, now this will effect gains to a degree but it will not be noticeable in the big picture…
if you bring it down to the basics and look at the amount of weight/muscle it will effect is negligible you will cause more harm letting your estrogen levels run amok and get gyno than you will benefit from 25% more IGF-1 when the overall amount is small…"
[quote]Nubretlives wrote:
I quote from what ive read from one of many threads about nolva + igf1-lr3:
"IGF-1 naturally occurring works it is how the body functions but using a synthetic version which is what this thread is about does not use the same pathways in matured adults (not developing in growth so not a child) in developing muscle cells as IGF-1 one does…
Nolvadex reduces IGF-1 by approx 25% so conversion to IGF-1 naturally is affected, now this will effect gains to a degree but it will not be noticeable in the big picture…
if you bring it down to the basics and look at the amount of weight/muscle it will effect is negligible you will cause more harm letting your estrogen levels run amok and get gyno than you will benefit from 25% more IGF-1 when the overall amount is small…"[/quote]
yeah, it’s a catch 22. i would mention again that Raloxifene and Aromasin have next to no affect on IGF-1 levels, so that m ight be an option for you down the road…
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]Yogi wrote:
[quote]CougarPride wrote:
I prefer clomid over Nolva personally, but if I had to choose I would use both in my PCT. [/quote]
Ya, a PCT should include both. It’s best to run the clomid solo for 3 weeks or so then add the nolva.
Again, there’s science behind this but I’m too lazy to link it.
Just trust your old pal Yogi![/quote]
dude, you gotta post this link.
i have never seen a logical reason behind this…
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I tried to post to a link on another forum but the mods deleted it.
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just post the link to the study, and i can extrapolate it…[/quote]
It’s a whole big right up though and it’s another guy’s intellectual property. Also the forum it’s on takes itself pretty seriously and gets a bit arsey about people cutting and pasting from it.
Google Datbtrue and see what comes up[/quote]
i think i got banned from over there…
i went on a bit of a tirade a while back on several sites, with disastrous results…
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
yeah, it’s a catch 22. i would mention again that Raloxifene and Aromasin have next to no affect on IGF-1 levels, so that m ight be an option for you down the road…[/quote]
Yeah i would love to get a hand of Raloxifene and aromasin but where i live its kinda hard especially to get raloxifene, but aromasin is possible!
cyco, if i find some raloxifene can i switch to that instead of nolva then in the middle of my pct cycle ?
thanks
[quote]Nubretlives wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
yeah, it’s a catch 22. i would mention again that Raloxifene and Aromasin have next to no affect on IGF-1 levels, so that m ight be an option for you down the road…[/quote]
Yeah i would love to get a hand of Raloxifene and aromasin but where i live its kinda hard especially to get raloxifene, but aromasin is possible!
cyco, if i find some raloxifene can i switch to that instead of nolva then in the middle of my pct cycle ?
thanks[/quote]
well, you could, but i don’t know how much it will matter…
Nolva is far more effective at raising test, and also has a half-life of about a week, whereas Ralox has a half-life of around a day.
even if you switched from Nolva to Ralox, you’re gonna have a couple weeks were IGF-1 production would be compromised…