So I’m busy losing weight (4-5 pounds so far) while waiting for my test prop and HCG to arrive and I have a few questions. Brook recommended that I run a six week cycle and pointed out that even a two weeker will cause some T shut down. I’m guessing that he recommended the six weeker because the cost benefit analysis favors the longer cycle, i.e. both will cause shut down but the difference will be minimal while the gains will be much better.
Anybody agree or disagree with that? If I go with the two week cycle plan ( four two week “on” periods with two to four weeks off between each) is the HCG use still appropriate, as in the six week cycle? If so does anyone have a dosing suggestions? Also I am still a bit confused on the definitive recommendation (if there is one) on the optimal off time between two week cycles. Obviously if there is no major benefit to taking four off compared to two off, two off would be the way to go. Thanks again for the help.
Please dont make assumptions about my posts and then question them!
No i was not saying that the inhibition from both runs is on a par. I was saying that 2 weeks runs are better when high (or at least moderate doses are used) and there are a few runs done back to back - as in your first post this was not mentioned.
In THAT case a sibgle 6 week run would be much more productive.
The cost has fuck all to do with it - why would i care?!
The benefit is 4 weeks off (of which 2 are cruised if you read the article) is to make sure recovery is full - and ensure that there is minimal impact to the HPTA - which do not forget is the number one priority of this type of run.
If you are happy to accept some suppression that will allow a fast recovery - IMO 6 weks is the way to go.
If you are happy to wait considerably longer for the same result - but with less inhibition at any one time - then it would be multiple two week runs.
Brook you wrote: “Please dont make assumptions about my posts and then question them!” I did not make an assumption but a guess which does not imply any certainty of belief. I am not sure why you would object to assumptions or questions about your posts as long as they are reasonable and respectful. Please don’t take offense when none is intended.
I am not sure what article you are referring to; in the Interview with Bill Roberts I could not find any mention of cruising, maybe I missed it or you are referencing a different article?
"If you are happy to wait considerably longer for the same result - but with less inhibition at any one time - then it would be multiple two week runs. " Yes, that is what I’m after-I think I will go with multiple two weekers.
I am still a not sure about the desirability of HCG with the two week cycles. Also I know some are saying that two weeks off is now viewed as long enough but am just not sure about the rationale behind this. Perhaps it was just derived from experience?
Brook wrote: “You do scan posts it seems as “Interview with Bill Roberts” was not even close to a quote of mine!”
I did not scan your post nor did I claim that an “Interview with Bill Roberts” was a “quote” of yours. In your post it was entirely unclear as to which article you were writing of.
I simply wrote this: “I am not sure what article you are referring to; in the “Interview with Bill Roberts” I could not find any mention of cruising, maybe I missed it or you are referencing a different article?”
Thank you, however, for taking the time to post a link to the article you were referring to. I will check it out.
I’m going to agree with Mephistopholes. As of right now, no need for AAS. Try doing cleans, box squats, box jumps and various plyo moves. I don’t think not dunking is anything that can’t be corrected by tinkering the diet and hard work for a few weeks.
Thanks Johnny, I am pretty much going with what you and Mephisto are saying. I have already lost about 4-5 pounds and I am incorporating box squats and box jumps along with front squats, bulgarian splits, RDLs, SDLs, and various calf work. I believe I am getting a bit more vert lately; I am can do a lay up and rim grab.
I have to confess, at this point I don’t have the skill or training needed for the olympic derived lifts. I’ll be getting Kelly Bagett’s e-book on vert soon (maybe do that tonight). I won’t start my AAS cycle untiIl I hit about 175 to 180 pounds, at which point I should be at about 10 to 12% body fat. I hope to have at least a thirty inch vert by then.
In addition to the vert goal i also hope to reach these marks:
Squat: 400
Bench: 300
Dead: 500
Should be attainable. Oh yeah and I’m ordering an Inzer lever belt to help on my heavier deads and squats.
[quote]Finn MacCool wrote:
So I’m busy losing weight (4-5 pounds so far) while waiting for my test prop and HCG to arrive and I have a few questions. Brook recommended that I run a six week cycle and pointed out that even a two weeker will cause some T shut down. I’m guessing that he recommended the six weeker because the cost benefit analysis favors the longer cycle, i.e. both will cause shut down but the difference will be minimal while the gains will be much better.
Anybody agree or disagree with that? If I go with the two week cycle plan ( four two week “on” periods with two to four weeks off between each) is the HCG use still appropriate, as in the six week cycle? If so does anyone have a dosing suggestions? Also I am still a bit confused on the definitive recommendation (if there is one) on the optimal off time between two week cycles. Obviously if there is no major benefit to taking four off compared to two off, two off would be the way to go. Thanks again for the help. [/quote]
2 weekers will probably have significantly quicker recovery times than a 6 weeker. HCG should not be needed for a 2 week cycle. I do know that Bill Roberts and others have suggested it’s not needed for 2 week runs.
Off time is variable, although most people will probably not stay with 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, and the more conservative will go with 2 on 4 off. I have heard Bill say he experimented with 2 on / 1 off runs for a bit. After a certain number of 2 week runs you will want to take an extended break from AAS to ensure your body reaches full equilibrium. Say after 3-4 “2 on / 2 off” cycles you’d want to just take a break for a while before starting up again.
If you don’t mind waiting longer, I think the 2 on / off series would be the way to go. If you wanted the results yesterday, then the 6 - 8 week cycle is the way to go, but your recovery will probably be harder, and HCG would be useful for this cycle.
if everyone has cooled off i would strongly recommend just choosing a basic option. Brook has laid out an excellent cycle (that he should be given some credit for regradless of the pissing match). If you instead choose 2 weekers just go with Bill’s suggestions on those type of strategies, again excellent advice. Other than that keep training and add lots of plyometrics (depth jumps, box jumps , etc) and i bet you will see your goals in no time.
Thanks for the input Aragorn, exactly what I was looking for. I’ll give the two on two off protocol a shot and see how my body responds. After going this long without AAS, I see no need to rush . . . slow and steady gains with minimal sides sounds good to me : )
Morepain: thanks for your suggestions . . . I’ll be hitting those plyos.