HeavyThrower Making You Leaner and Bigger

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
HT,

I want to comment on your Bourbon rant, because I have seen this before, mainly within myself.

Your body is changing, but your mind still sees yourself as a big, strong, swole, yet a bit chubby self.

The mental image of yourself must change along with your body. You must see yourself as the guy who is big and strong, but no longer carries the fat that hides that awesome muscle you have built.

I know this is hard, because it is the identity you might have had, for maybe a very long time. But more than the physical change, the personal image of yourself you have also must change too.

I personally believe, that this mental change is even more important than the physical change, because you now know within yourself, what it took to achieve these awesome results. You remove personal doubt, one of life’s biggest obstacles.

No matter what life throws you, where it puts you, you will always be Heavy Thrower, the dude who had the sack to say fuck fear and just go for it.

Z and Strong are spot on, they have you on your way. And the T-brothas got your back, bring it home big man.

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This.

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

almost daily i receive comments on how much better i look, for the first time in my lift i am not the big strong fat guy, but strangers are coming up to me and complimenting me on my arms, my physique in general.

i let this get to me, and it feels good, i try to take it to the next level, and i stall at 220’s. i linger at the 220s for so long i get desperate and basically starve myself to get down to sub 210, which is good, but i feel depleted, flat, and like an squeezed out sponge.

then an offhand comment on one of Z’s threads makes me say: fuck, i will take the personal coaching if this kid does not want it" half serious, half joking, and guess what, Z offered his help! and better yet Strong offers to help with the programing, !!! win win.

well, almost am onth into this, i have gained back up to 220 following a healthy diet, (not the starvation i was doing) and then now, of minutes ago, sitting at 205.4lbs.

though i am getting some random positive comments, seems that my main coach keeps telling me how i am still a fat fuck and need to do better. again, i am little drunk and tired right now, 70 hour work weeks will do that to you, but come on. i kmow i still need a lot of work to be contest shredded, but who says that is the end all be all of success?

i have done a lot so far, and am a little tired of only hearing about what i have not done so far.

if that disqualifies me from my status and the latest fat -guy charity case, then so be it.

my friends and more importantly my wife, who is the only person who really matters, as she is the only one who is gonna be seiing my abds in an up and personal way, likes the improvements i have made so far.

what am i bitching about> ??? not sure, like i said, i had a couple of shots of strong Bourbon, but i am tired of negativity. i have accomplished quite a bit, and i am having lots of issues at work right now and not to get too personal, i am done with any excess negativity in my life right now.

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Dave Tate’s advice on goal setting is really something everyone should take to heart and i think you would be wise in applying it in your situation HT.

I also suggest when setting goals is to keep your goal specific to yourself and a select few, and general to all others. In other words, if your goal is to bench 400 pounds, keep that as a marker in your mind, but if others ask just tell them, I’m training for a bigger bench, or I’m working toward a new PR. Your goal may be to get your bodyfat down to 6%, but all the masses need to know is, I’m dieting right now.

The reason for this is simple: 90% of everyone you meet are negative pricks who will go out of their way to tell you why you can’t do something. Once they know your goal, they’ll try and tear you down. Just keep it vague, and all they can do is wish you success.

Of course, they may still try and tear you down once you’ve actually accomplished your goal, but who cares. You’ve done the work and have the results to show for it. They couldn’t have done it. So f*ck em.

I do feel it’s important to still put the goal out there to make you accountable, but I’d only tell those who know you can do it and will hold you accountable. Take a good look at the people around you, and consider yourself lucky if you know even a small handful of people like this. But all you really need is one: you

Keep at it man.

I’m not going to pretend like I’m some sort of unbiased observer here but I really don’t get where this talk about negativity is coming from. (For anyone that isn’t already aware, SH is my fiance and he’s been writing my training for several years now. He has prepped me for both Powerlifting and Physique and I’ve seen what he can do as a coach both first hand as an athlete and through what his clients–who have been both young and old, male and female, athletes and non-athletes–have accomplished)

All I’ve seen in the last 10 pages or so is two coaches giving positive feedback, tailoring their diet and training programs to the specific needs of their client, and being honest and clear about their expectations. Acknowledging that your client has weak points and making changes to their training is not being negative. That’s being a good coach.

It seems that some of the people that have been throwing in their 2 cents are forgetting that Stronghold and Zraw are coaches, not cheerleaders. The things that they are saying are not meant to be malicious, negative, or discouraging, rather, they’re speaking as two coaches that have their client’s best interest in mind. I don’t personally see how the things that they’ve posted in here could be taken as any of those things, but I do know that dieting can be a pretty big mindfuck, especially when its added on top of a stressful job, unusual sleep patterns, family duties, etc. The people that are chiming in here to criticize HT’s coaches or question their abilities aren’t exactly doing anything help HT succeed in his weight loss journey. In fact, that sounds like unnecessary negativity to me. HT is a big boy. He can figure out on his own whether or not he feels that his coaches’ skill sets and coaching styles are a good match for his needs.

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Since when did this thread turn into “let’s talk about feelings?”

I thought this was about someone going from #fullhouse to getting absolutely shredded?

I didn’t know you could fit bourbon into your macros?

I’ve never seen so much coddling, if us 20 something’s don’t know how to do things properly, then the men in the over 35 crowd posting in here are menstruating. Good god![/quote]

I fit vodka in my macros erryweekend. lol, just eat lots of protein and not many carbs/fats, still lose fat the same. #yolo

Edit: just tried to rep you, fml.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
The whining and feeling like ppl are attacking him and saying I am doing this for this thread indicates lack of internal drive to me[/quote]
Um… I don’t dislike you friendo, but get real lol. You and I are roughly the same age. Heavythrower has competed with metric shit tons of internal drive for longer than you or I have even been alive.[/quote]

You are way to sensible and mature for your age.[/quote]
What does “competed with metric shit tons of internal drive for longer than you or I have been alive” have to do with this current dieting situation?
Look, I like HT and think he is a good guy but lets get real here.
HT is getting a pass for his apparent defeatist attitude in this thread because he is well “known” on this site and is liked.
If any new comer here was posting what HT posted he would not be getting a pass.
HT can do this and he’s obviously have a tough go at this.
It’s new and it’s hard, that’s to be expected.
Supporting HT in this quest is one thing, questing/calling out his coaches is another.

I support you HT.
I know you can do this.
You’ve done tougher things in life than this diet.
You got this if you apply yourself in this endeavor the same way you applied yourself for your Highland Games training and your nursing.
You have the drive, you have the determination.
I’m sure you delt with shit and nay Sayers while doing those things.
Deal with them again.
Keep going big man.

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
The whining and feeling like ppl are attacking him and saying I am doing this for this thread indicates lack of internal drive to me[/quote]
Um… I don’t dislike you friendo, but get real lol. You and I are roughly the same age. Heavythrower has competed with metric shit tons of internal drive for longer than you or I have even been alive.[/quote]

You are way to sensible and mature for your age.[/quote]
What does “competed with metric shit tons of internal drive for longer than you or I have been alive” have to do with this current dieting situation?
Look, I like HT and think he is a good guy but lets get real here.
HT is getting a pass for his apparent defeatist attitude in this thread because he is well “known” on this site and is liked.
If any new comer here was posting what HT posted he would not be getting a pass.
HT can do this and he’s obviously have a tough go at this.
It’s new and it’s hard, that’s to be expected.
Supporting HT in this quest is one thing, questing/calling out his coaches is another.

I support you HT.
I know you can do this.
You’ve done tougher things in life than this diet.
You got this if you apply yourself in this endeavor the same way you applied yourself for your Highland Games training and your nursing.
You have the drive, you have the determination.
I’m sure you delt with shit and nay Sayers while doing those things.
Deal with them again.
Keep going big man.[/quote]
I don’t think HT is having that tough of a time with it. I doubt this is the hardest type of training or dieting he’s done in his life. I just don’t think he enjoys the attitude of a lot of people on the Internet trying to be hardasses lol. He used to train twice a day with workouts more intense than most people would do once. He used to eat quantities of food that almost defy reason. I have never seen anyone on here even approach that level of caloric intake except maybe Bauber.

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
Since when did this thread turn into “let’s talk about feelings?”
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Exactly. All this gibberish about attitude/mindset (both tough-love&feel-good crap) is a waste of time and energy. Execute the plan or not.

Yea I just read through this and didn’t see any negativity especially from either of the coaches… You get free diet and coaching advice from two successful young coaches, whats the problem again?

instead of dissecting everyone’s response and what a coach is and is not responsible for, maybe the vent post should be taken as that, a vent and treated accordingly and let go, the main reason this thread has been driven off course is because everyone is chiming in (including myself) if it was let to lie, there wouldn’t be camps on opposite sides of the fence arguing about it.

Maximus’ post was spot on, and is the reason why a venting post should be expected as par for the course, a very accomplished athlete is venturing into parts unknown and is having to possibly re-learn his body and defer to other people, possibly something that he has not done in a long while. It and I dont think I am overreacting is a mind fuck for him…so let him vent, let the coaches coach and let the supporters support.

I am a supporter FWIW and will continue to do so.

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
instead of dissecting everyone’s response and what a coach is and is not responsible for, maybe the vent post should be taken as that, a vent and treated accordingly and let go, the main reason this thread has been driven off course is because everyone is chiming in (including myself) if it was let to lie, there wouldn’t be camps on opposite sides of the fence arguing about it.

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Bingo - there’s nothing wrong with the coaching, or a little venting by HT - it’s everyone throwing in their two cents. Deciding that he’s “being a pussy” or whatever - that’s why this shit should be done privately.

Way too many chefs in this kitchen.

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
The whining and feeling like ppl are attacking him and saying I am doing this for this thread indicates lack of internal drive to me[/quote]
Um… I don’t dislike you friendo, but get real lol. You and I are roughly the same age. Heavythrower has competed with metric shit tons of internal drive for longer than you or I have even been alive.[/quote]

Age has nothing to do with the difficulties that one has to push through I know ppl in my class that have more internal will and drive and have through extraordinary circumstances that crush most people. Age doesn’t always mean everythign

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
The whining and feeling like ppl are attacking him and saying I am doing this for this thread indicates lack of internal drive to me[/quote]
Um… I don’t dislike you friendo, but get real lol. You and I are roughly the same age. Heavythrower has competed with metric shit tons of internal drive for longer than you or I have even been alive.[/quote]

Age has nothing to do with the difficulties that one has to push through I know ppl in my class that have more internal will and drive and have through extraordinary circumstances that crush most people. Age doesn’t always mean everythign [/quote]

Correct. But then what would the mysterious old guys on this site have to feel smug about if not their age?

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Age has nothing to do with the difficulties that one has to push through I know ppl in my class that have more internal will and drive and have through extraordinary circumstances that crush most people. Age doesn’t always mean everythign [/quote]
I just don’t feel like I can know that until I’ve been there :wink:

HT, from another HT, keep it up. No one in here is being overly negative. Keep at it and watch dem gainz roll in.

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

Way too many chefs in this kitchen. [/quote]

That was my point earlier that apparently ruffled some feathers with the armchair quarterbacks.

Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, but they aren’t the coaches here.

If you have a problem with it, by all means, feel free to bitch about it on G+ or facebook or something.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

Way too many chefs in this kitchen. [/quote]

That was my point earlier that apparently ruffled some feathers with the armchair quarterbacks.

Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion, but they aren’t the coaches here.

If you have a problem with it, by all means, feel free to bitch about it on G+ or facebook or something.[/quote]

Not sure if srs… who the fuck uses G+ :stuck_out_tongue:

It would be nice to get this thread back on track before Stronghold’s mom posts next.

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
It would be nice to get this thread back on track before Stronghold’s mom posts next.[/quote]
Yes!! Everybody that is not on the HT bandwagon get out of here!! Only those of us that want to see HT go beast mode should be posting!! GO HT!!

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
It would be nice to get this thread back on track before Stronghold’s mom posts next.[/quote]

My mom isn’t in the T-Nation G+ group.