Heavy, don’t quite man. T-Nation is rooting for you! I bet a lot of people are following this thread because it’s an inspiration for them to lose excess weight too.
Don’t let yourself down.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
You have every right to vent, not too many people will lay it all out there for faceless posters to interject comments, I certainly would be hesitant. Basically there is a place and time for everything, sometimes you need a kick in the ass and sometimes a pat on the back. I don’t comment much but follow this thread on a daily basis and am rooting for you.
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I agree with this all the way… I don’t really get all the negativity on this thread, dude is working his ass off and showing some good results as well… Obviously you don’t want him to stop… @HT-I tried those death marches this morning at the end of my workout, the hammy’s are on fire!! LOL
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
k. it is 3 am in morning, i have a rare night off work, and i have some Kentucky Bourbon in me, so take this for what it is worth.
when i started this diet thing, it was nearly 3 years ago, i was over 260lbs, and a typical squat workout had me doing reps over 500lbs, a a typical deadlift workout had me doing reps with over 600lbs, a typical overhead workout had me doing well over 300lbs in the jerk from the rack for reps, and i was doing cleans in the low to mid 300’s for reps too.
i knew that despite these “decent” numbers, especially for a guy my age and my injuries, that they were nothing special, and i wanted to look and feel better for myself and my wife not feel self concious in certain clothes and when taking my shirt off at the beach, ect, or naked in the bedroom with the wife.
if i was not setting records or competing anymore, why bother being so big and fat.
on my own i got for 260 plus to 230’s, went from 40 inch waist and 3xl shirt to 36 waist and xl-large shirt.
almost daily i receive comments on how much better i look, for the first time in my lift i am not the big strong fat guy, but strangers are coming up to me and complimenting me on my arms, my physique in general.
i let this get to me, and it feels good, i try to take it to the next level, and i stall at 220’s. i linger at the 220s for so long i get desperate and basically starve myself to get down to sub 210, which is good, but i feel depleted, flat, and like an squeezed out sponge.
then an offhand comment on one of Z’s threads makes me say: fuck, i will take the personal coaching if this kid does not want it" half serious, half joking, and guess what, Z offered his help! and better yet Strong offers to help with the programing, !!! win win.
well, almost am onth into this, i have gained back up to 220 following a healthy diet, (not the starvation i was doing) and then now, of minutes ago, sitting at 205.4lbs.
though i am getting some random positive comments, seems that my main coach keeps telling me how i am still a fat fuck and need to do better. again, i am little drunk and tired right now, 70 hour work weeks will do that to you, but come on. i kmow i still need a lot of work to be contest shredded, but who says that is the end all be all of success?
i have done a lot so far, and am a little tired of only hearing about what i have not done so far.
if that disqualifies me from my status and the latest fat -guy charity case, then so be it.
since i started working with Strong and Z, i have lost another shirt size, and another pant size.
my friends and more importantly my wife, who is the only person who really matters, as she is the only one who is gonna be seiing my abds in an up and personal way, likes the improvements i have made so far.
what am i bitching about> ??? not sure, like i said, i had a couple of shots of strong Bourbon, but i am tired of negativity. i have accomplished quite a bit, and i am having lots of issues at work right now and not to get too personal, i am done with any excess negativity in my life right now.
btw, my airdyne bike that i ordered JUST TO DO CARDIO FOR THIS THREAD should be here in a couple of weeks.
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You have to be careful with the booze. Us little guys don’t have the body mass to delude it. You get drunk easier.
HT -
Dude, you are one of the few people on these boards over the years who’s words, advice, and shared experiences have impacted my training.
You have attained accomplishments and beast status that few will ever attain, most specifically those in the TN forums.
Ignore the noise and keep your head focused on the goal.
You know how to do this, you’re a goddammed champion.
Just do your thang, babycakes-- you’re doing just fine.
HT, your coaches haven’t yet developed the maturity to truly know how to coach and motivate but they seem competent on the programming side.
If using them gets you to where you want to go, then tune out the noise and rip it up.
[quote]giterdone wrote:
HT, your coaches haven’t yet developed the maturity to truly know how to coach and motivate but they seem competent on the programming side.
If using them gets you to where you want to go, then tune out the noise and rip it up.[/quote]
LOL
[quote]giterdone wrote:
HT, your coaches haven’t yet developed the maturity to truly know how to coach and motivate but they seem competent on the programming side.
If using them gets you to where you want to go, then tune out the noise and rip it up.[/quote]
Please go.
There is no one in this thread that wants to see Big Mike succeed more than Julien and Myself. Julien is French Canadian and English is his second (or third?) language, so maybe something is getting lost in translation. I’ve been through everything HT is going through with his weight loss and I know exactly where a lot of it is coming from. It’s tough for a guy who was routinely 250-260 lbs and saw themselves as superman to really deal with the realization that they might have to be 80lbs lighter to be cartoon lean. That’s not negativity or an attack on Mike, that’s reality.
Losing weight like this and really getting lean is an enormous undertaking and requires a huge amount of emotional, physical, habitual, and psychological change. There’s a lot of, for lack of a better word, baggage, that gets hauled around with years of being a “big guy” that has to go when you lose the weight, and that’s a struggle at times. For me, personally, I was too much of a mental wreck sometimes during my fat loss to use anything mind altering besides stimulants. Maybe it’s best if we put the bourbon on the shelf until we’ve tackled some of these issues.
HT, all I mean by the arm day comment is that I think it’s time for us to start attacking them head-on since you are in the awesome predicament of having giant upper arms, and forearms that are so giant that they make your giant arms look not giant. Another side-effect of the years of throwing barbells and implements. If you look at my avi, I’ve got something similar going on.
Remember, Julien and I are here to help you succeed. You won’t see any negativity coming from us, just what we think you need to hear in order to accomplish this goal. Keep that in mind, always.
The older equipment groans and creaks a bit when under load sometimes…HT will re-group and be fine!
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
HT, your coaches haven’t yet developed the maturity to truly know how to coach and motivate but they seem competent on the programming side.
If using them gets you to where you want to go, then tune out the noise and rip it up.[/quote]
Please go.
There is no one in this thread that wants to see Big Mike succeed more than Julien and Myself. Julien is French Canadian and English is his second (or third?) language, so maybe something is getting lost in translation. I’ve been through everything HT is going through with his weight loss and I know exactly where a lot of it is coming from. It’s tough for a guy who was routinely 250-260 lbs and saw themselves as superman to really deal with the realization that they might have to be 80lbs lighter to be cartoon lean. That’s not negativity or an attack on Mike, that’s reality. Losing weight like this and really getting lean is an enormous undertaking and requires a huge amount of emotional, physical, habitual, and psychological change. There’s a lot of, for lack of a better word, baggage, that gets hauled around with years of being a “big guy” that has to go when you lose the weight, and that’s a struggle at times. For me, personally, I was too much of a mental wreck sometimes during my fat loss to use anything mind altering besides stimulants. Maybe it’s best if we put the bourbon on the shelf until we’ve tackled some of these issues.
HT, all I mean by the arm day comment is that I think it’s time for us to start attacking them head-on since you are in the awesome predicament of having giant upper arms, and forearms that are so giant that they make your giant arms look not giant. Another side-effect of the years of throwing barbells and implements. If you look at my avi, I’ve got something similar going on.
Remember, Julien and I are here to help you succeed. You won’t see any negativity coming from us, just what we think you need to hear in order to accomplish this goal. Keep that in mind, always.[/quote]
Well said
Gotta find internal motivation also. Doing something like this for tnation or your wife ect will not cut it. (Yes pun intended).
I stand by my comment but it was poorly worded. I apologize for that.
If you have this response from an accomplished and mature client, then there is a lesson to be learned. Not all people respond the same way to the same approach.
I trained business coaching before starting my own company. Not that that means shit.
[quote]giterdone wrote:
I stand by my comment but it was poorly worded. I apologize for that.
If you have this response from an accomplished and mature client, then there is a lesson to be learned. Not all people respond the same way to the same approach.
I trained business coaching before starting my own company. Not that that means shit.
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IMO you can cheer lead as much as you want but if they have no internal drive the external motivation will burn out at some point
I wonder how long it will take to have a full-house-free TN?
Nobody can stop the revolution.
Watch out Steely, they are coming for you next. ha
ps: don’t drink and post.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
I stand by my comment but it was poorly worded. I apologize for that.
If you have this response from an accomplished and mature client, then there is a lesson to be learned. Not all people respond the same way to the same approach.
I trained business coaching before starting my own company. Not that that means shit.
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IMO you can cheer lead as much as you want but if they have no internal drive the external motivation will burn out at some point [/quote]
Perfectly said…
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
I stand by my comment but it was poorly worded. I apologize for that.
If you have this response from an accomplished and mature client, then there is a lesson to be learned. Not all people respond the same way to the same approach.
I trained business coaching before starting my own company. Not that that means shit.
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IMO you can cheer lead as much as you want but if they have no internal drive the external motivation will burn out at some point [/quote]
Are you saying that HT has no internal drive? I don’t see that, at all. Coaching is not cheerleading.
[quote]giterdone wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
I stand by my comment but it was poorly worded. I apologize for that.
If you have this response from an accomplished and mature client, then there is a lesson to be learned. Not all people respond the same way to the same approach.
I trained business coaching before starting my own company. Not that that means shit.
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IMO you can cheer lead as much as you want but if they have no internal drive the external motivation will burn out at some point [/quote]
Are you saying that HT has no internal drive? I don’t see that, at all. Coaching is not cheerleading.
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I agree, coaching is something different and you can’t worry about somebody’s drive you just have to push them and hope they figure it out on their own before your coaching wears off…
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
I stand by my comment but it was poorly worded. I apologize for that.
If you have this response from an accomplished and mature client, then there is a lesson to be learned. Not all people respond the same way to the same approach.
I trained business coaching before starting my own company. Not that that means shit.
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IMO you can cheer lead as much as you want but if they have no internal drive the external motivation will burn out at some point [/quote]
Are you saying that HT has no internal drive? I don’t see that, at all. Coaching is not cheerleading.
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I agree, coaching is something different and you can’t worry about somebody’s drive you just have to push them and hope they figure it out on their own before your coaching wears off…[/quote]
I’ll agree that the coach’s job is not to be more motivated than the player, sales rep, client etc.
I don’t see that here.
The whining and feeling like ppl are attacking him and saying I am doing this for this thread indicates lack of internal drive to me
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
The whining and feeling like ppl are attacking him and saying I am doing this for this thread indicates lack of internal drive to me[/quote]
Um… I don’t dislike you friendo, but get real lol. You and I are roughly the same age. Heavythrower has competed with metric shit tons of internal drive for longer than you or I have even been alive.
[quote]giterdone wrote:
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
I stand by my comment but it was poorly worded. I apologize for that.
If you have this response from an accomplished and mature client, then there is a lesson to be learned. Not all people respond the same way to the same approach.
I trained business coaching before starting my own company. Not that that means shit.
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IMO you can cheer lead as much as you want but if they have no internal drive the external motivation will burn out at some point [/quote]
Are you saying that HT has no internal drive? I don’t see that, at all. Coaching is not cheerleading.
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I agree, coaching is something different and you can’t worry about somebody’s drive you just have to push them and hope they figure it out on their own before your coaching wears off…[/quote]
I’ll agree that the coach’s job is not to be more motivated than the player, sales rep, client etc.
I don’t see that here.[/quote]
Well considering your not in the gym with him you really don’t know how motivated he is… neither do I…
[quote]giterdone wrote:
[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]giterdone wrote:
I stand by my comment but it was poorly worded. I apologize for that.
If you have this response from an accomplished and mature client, then there is a lesson to be learned. Not all people respond the same way to the same approach.
I trained business coaching before starting my own company. Not that that means shit.
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IMO you can cheer lead as much as you want but if they have no internal drive the external motivation will burn out at some point [/quote]
Are you saying that HT has no internal drive? I don’t see that, at all. Coaching is not cheerleading.
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I agree, coaching is something different and you can’t worry about somebody’s drive you just have to push them and hope they figure it out on their own before your coaching wears off…[/quote]
I’ll agree that the coach’s job is not to be more motivated than the player, sales rep, client etc.
I don’t see that here.[/quote]
and with that mindset you’d make a terrible coach…