Seems like this thread has exploded in just a few days.
Comes at a good time for me. I’m all for BB rows, and my current 5x5 training plan has them 2 days a week. All was fine until a few weeks into it I hurt my back…on the 2nd set! Not sure what happened, maybe pinched a nerve, but I was out for 2 weeks. Had to sub in supported T-rows after that, and I hated them.
Today I started my last week on the program, and I thought “fuck it, I’m doing BB rows today”. Didn’t feel too bad on the first 4 sets. For the last one I was meant to do 215 lbs, but I couldn’t be bothered with the plate math and just put on 2 45s on each side. I got 5 reps out of those suckers, and my lower back felt OK; not great, just OK, like I still have something lurking deep down.
For the above reason, I’m going to be doing DB rows for my next training cycle. If all goes well after that, I’ll consider going back to BB rows.
For the record, my deadlift (for 5 reps) is 1.55 times my row. Is my row too high, or my dead too low…? 
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
Mike Sullivan wrote:
Where are all of those 400 pound bent over rowers when you need them to prove a point?
well, have a look at Jesse’s post, 365 for 5 and 10 at 315, wouldn’t be much of a stretch for him to hit 400 when he is feeling his oats, great working range of between 300-400.
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I’ve gone a little over 400 with straps but I like the strength it gives my grip to double overhand it. Having a solid grip gives you a relationship with the weight. I think my deadlift would have gone higher too but I tore my calf in May and it held me back and took me awhile to get my pulling back up. You can see a picture of it in my profile.
As for Misere, you might be using too much body english on the rows. I have before but I ended up prefering to do them strict. If I want power I’ll do plyometrics, short sprints and power cleans.
I don’t pretend to know more than Charles Poliquin, but even the best can make mistakes and I think he is wrong on this point. I know from experience that many of the best powerlifters, Strongmen and bodybuilders incorporate the BB row at least at some point during their preperation.
[quote]Jesse Snadden wrote:
Barbell rows are a staple of my lifting. They have helped my deadlift, my squat, my overhead pressing, stone lifting … hmmm they carry over well to everything.
I like to do them strict and without straps to help further strengthen my grip.
I’ve worked up to 365x5 and 315x10 and my best deadlift is 725lbs.
I know top strongmen in Canada do them often, Hugo Girard, Jessen Paulin, Dominic Filiou and more.
They simulate something we do in real life, bending over and lifting. Yes they are neurologically demanding, so are squats, so are deadlifts and so are push presses, that’s why they are so effective.[/quote]
About the same ratio as me with just a little more weight.
OK it is a lot more weight but it proves the point that you should be able to deadlift significantly more than you can bb row.
Good post.
[quote]hardcoreukno0359 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
hardcoreukno0359 wrote:
I would say bo barbell rows approach potential injury when your are rowing near to what you deadlift.
If you are rowing what you deadlift, your deadlift sucks…
Yup. I deadlift twice what I barbell row.
those are some impressive e-stats, you must be the biggest one on these forums son
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You need to work on your reading comprehension, son.