ROW TO Grow!!! If you don’t like it, don’t do it, but don’t come up with lame excuses.
I think the whole lower-back stress is BS. If you deadlift regularily and have a semi-respectable 1RM for it, then the task of keeping parallel while doing bent over BB rows should be no problem.
If your bb row is anything close to what you deadlift, put some more effort into deadlifting.
[quote]Mike Sullivan wrote:
Where are all of those 400 pound bent over rowers when you need them to prove a point?[/quote]
lmao, just what i was thinking!
NOW LETS GO DO SOME ROWS BITCHS WOOOHOOO… haha
Heavy barbell rows ROCK. If you do them Dorian-style, which is bent over at about a 70-degree angle (not a full 90 degrees), use an underhand grip and pull them into your WAIST, NOT your chest . . . MAN do they add size and strength fast.
[quote]david.civil wrote:
i am not impressed with anyone shrugging any kind of weight…if i look over and see you shrugging 315 barehand for 10 reps and good form… then i am impressed throw straps in the trash ASAP…
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If I can get my max deadlift up without straps why should I care if I use them to do shrugs?
What a concept. I couldn’t care less if I can hold onto the weight I shrug. I care about holding onto my 3rd attempt.
[quote]ExNole wrote:
david.civil wrote:
i am not impressed with anyone shrugging any kind of weight…if i look over and see you shrugging 315 barehand for 10 reps and good form… then i am impressed throw straps in the trash ASAP…
If I can get my max deadlift up without straps why should I care if I use them to do shrugs?[/quote]
I think they are on a new forum with an “Attention Whores” section.
[quote]BoxBabaX wrote:
Mike Sullivan wrote:
Where are all of those 400 pound bent over rowers when you need them to prove a point?
lmao, just what i was thinking!
NOW LETS GO DO SOME ROWS BITCHS WOOOHOOO… haha[/quote]
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
What a concept. I couldn’t care less if I can hold onto the weight I shrug. I care about holding onto my 3rd attempt.
ExNole wrote:
david.civil wrote:
i am not impressed with anyone shrugging any kind of weight…if i look over and see you shrugging 315 barehand for 10 reps and good form… then i am impressed throw straps in the trash ASAP…
If I can get my max deadlift up without straps why should I care if I use them to do shrugs?
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Exactly. People get way too fanatical about this kind of shit. The people that talk about throwing away the straps are the same jackasses that think all machines are bad and all isolation exercises are bad. It’s just the same old fanatical trends.
The last time I did shrugs I did 505 for 4 sets of 10. I could not hold on to the bar for this amount of time and had to use straps. So what am I supposed to do? Throw away the straps and bump down the weight to 400 so I can hold on for the full 4x10? That’s fucking retarded. Btw, I’m like 2 millimeters away from closing the captains of crush #3 and I can deadlift 160 on a Thomas Inch Replica handle.
[quote]danmaftei wrote:
I do think he was talking mainly about the upper back… no sane lifter in the world would say they aren’t good for your back, let alone a world-renowned strength coach with barbell experience.
That said, they do take a lot out of me, mainly because I have to focus so much on keeping my torso at a 30-45 degree angle (I have a long torso, so parallel is beyond me), and on keeping a tight grip, which is why I use the hook-grip (that’s the thumb under the other fingers, if I’ve got my terminology right…)
For strictly bodybuilding, I’d pick the one-armed row, the T-Bar row, or cable rows over the bent-over row, though. Simply because I can focus a lot more on the target muscle.[/quote]
Read the last sentence of this post. “Simply because I can focus a lot more on the target muscle.” This is the reason why it is an inferior movement to the others ones you listed (except maybe the T-bar rows which also suck).
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
hardcoreukno0359 wrote:
I would say bo barbell rows approach potential injury when your are rowing near to what you deadlift.
If you are rowing what you deadlift, your deadlift sucks…
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Or, your rowing stinks, personally, im looking for big lats, not big spinal erectors. plus once your rowing gets over 315, its pretty dagerous id say to be throwing that wight up in down out in front of you
[quote]TKL.ca wrote:
I think the whole lower-back stress is BS. If you deadlift regularily and have a semi-respectable 1RM for it, then the task of keeping parallel while doing bent over BB rows should be no problem.
If your bb row is anything close to what you deadlift, put some more effort into deadlifting.
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Did you actually think about what you just said. of any deadlifting form you have seen, when has anyone ever been parallel in the deadlift, They are two different moves with different movement patterns.
Anyone ive ever seen do barbell rows being parallel is usually using weights that they could far exceed, but get no benefit out of the exercise anyway because of the near to no stress the form they are using causes. Heave those big weights up to grow
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
Barbell rows extends your upper body way out over the ground and leaves your lowerback open for some serious problems, especially if you already perform squats and deadlifts.
Why would your lower back be vulnerable to bent-over-rows if you do squats and deadlifts?
I’d be more likely to say, but still wouldn’t, that somebody who DOESN’T do other movements that strengthen their lower back/posterior chain is more at risk for injury by suddenly bending over with a load suspended in front of them.
I’d say unless you’re being a retard and supersetting deadlifts and bent over rows, thus exposing a fatigued lower back and nervous system to the bent-over-row position, you’ll be fine.
If you do squats and deads, then your lower back should be strong and well conditioned, and therefore perfect for performing bent-over-rows, provided you give it time to recover between the different movements.[/quote]
The key being “provided you give it time to recover between the different movements.”
I have to do bent BB rows less as the poundage has gone above average and it takes a serious toll on me (in a good way). Do not discount bent BB rows, just keep a log of progress and keep rowing/rows in the group/class “posterior chain” as it taxes your entire back side and it is awesome rowing 300+ lbs when most of the gym rump rangers can even squat that much in fear they might tear their hymens!
[quote]Zito wrote:
…Do not discount bent BB rows, just keep a log of progress and keep rowing/rows in the group/class “posterior chain” as it taxes your entire back side and it is awesome rowing 300+ lbs when most of the gym rump rangers can even squat that much in fear they might tear their hymens!
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I’m going to quote you on this one. Love it!
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
hardcoreukno0359 wrote:
I would say bo barbell rows approach potential injury when your are rowing near to what you deadlift.
If you are rowing what you deadlift, your deadlift sucks…
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Yup. I deadlift twice what I barbell row.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
hardcoreukno0359 wrote:
I would say bo barbell rows approach potential injury when your are rowing near to what you deadlift.
If you are rowing what you deadlift, your deadlift sucks…
Yup. I deadlift twice what I barbell row.[/quote]
those are some impressive e-stats, you must be the biggest one on these forums son
[quote]hardcoreukno0359 wrote:
those are some impressive e-stats, you must be the biggest one on these forums son
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I believe he was merely proving a point, not bragging.
Hell, maybe he can only row 65 pounds, and his deadlift is 130. Still validates his original statement…
Barbell rows are a staple of my lifting. They have helped my deadlift, my squat, my overhead pressing, stone lifting … hmmm they carry over well to everything.
I like to do them strict and without straps to help further strengthen my grip.
I’ve worked up to 365x5 and 315x10 and my best deadlift is 725lbs.
I know top strongmen in Canada do them often, Hugo Girard, Jessen Paulin, Dominic Filiou and more.
They simulate something we do in real life, bending over and lifting. Yes they are neurologically demanding, so are squats, so are deadlifts and so are push presses, that’s why they are so effective.
Finally.
There really is intelligent life on this forum.
I knew it.
[quote]Jesse Snadden wrote:
Barbell rows are a staple of my lifting. They have helped my deadlift, my squat, my overhead pressing, stone lifting … hmmm they carry over well to everything.
I like to do them strict and without straps to help further strengthen my grip.
I’ve worked up to 365x5 and 315x10 and my best deadlift is 725lbs.
I know top strongmen in Canada do them often, Hugo Girard, Jessen Paulin, Dominic Filiou and more.
They simulate something we do in real life, bending over and lifting. Yes they are neurologically demanding, so are squats, so are deadlifts and so are push presses, that’s why they are so effective.[/quote]
[quote]Mike Sullivan wrote:
Where are all of those 400 pound bent over rowers when you need them to prove a point?[/quote]
well, have a look at Jesse’s post, 365 for 5 and 10 at 315, wouldn’t be much of a stretch for him to hit 400 when he is feeling his oats, great working range of between 300-400.