[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
Geez, how long did that training session take?[/quote]
I think like 2.5 hours. My training parner Chia had already been there for an hour and a half when I started though haha. He and I used to have some crazy marathon sessions, sometimes up to 5 hours.
[quote]trivium wrote:
Extended arm with supinated hand is most likely bicep.
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What’s the logic here? Just thinking that if the issue is that it’s a tight muscle that’s responding to being stretched with pain, then the bicep would surely hurt more with an extended arm and pronated hand, since it functions as a flexor across the elbow joint and supinator of the forearm. Would that not lead to it being stretched further?
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
Extended arm with supinated hand is most likely bicep.
[/quote]
What’s the logic here? Just thinking that if the issue is that it’s a tight muscle that’s responding to being stretched with pain, then the bicep would surely hurt more with an extended arm and pronated hand, since it functions as a flexor across the elbow joint and supinator of the forearm. Would that not lead to it being stretched further?[/quote]
No, because the distal attachment of the long head of the biceps attaches to the Radius so when the radius lateral to the ulna (i.e. supine) the biceps are elongated fully. Because of this attachment, he biceps also perform the function of pronation and supination of the lower arm.
5/18/2014
Press:
45 10x
95 5x
135 5x
145 3x
155 3x
165 2x
175 2x
185 1x Eh I just kinda hit this for a single and put it back. Pressing was feeling like trash today for some reason.
Did a few sets of push press w/ 185 as well
DB Bench:
50’s 10x
65’s 10x
80’s 10x
100’s 5x
120’s 5x
100’s 10x
80’s 10x
DB Press:
50’s 10x
70’s 10x
50’s 10x
50’s 10x
DB Side Laterals:
30’s 10x
30’s 10x
30’s 10x
30’s 10x
Shoulder Press Machine:
3 sets of 10; last set did a drop set w/ 4 drops
Rope Pushdowns:
4 sets of 20
Today didn’t feel great. My bicep was bothering me quite a bit on the dumbbell stuff.
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
Extended arm with supinated hand is most likely bicep.
[/quote]
What’s the logic here? Just thinking that if the issue is that it’s a tight muscle that’s responding to being stretched with pain, then the bicep would surely hurt more with an extended arm and pronated hand, since it functions as a flexor across the elbow joint and supinator of the forearm. Would that not lead to it being stretched further?[/quote]
No, because the distal attachment of the long head of the biceps attaches to the Radius so when the radius lateral to the ulna (i.e. supine) the biceps are elongated fully. Because of this attachment, he biceps also perform the function of pronation and supination of the lower arm.[/quote]
I’m still not clear on this. I understand it as: - the biceps attaches to the radial tuberosity posteriorly.
- When the biceps flexes with the forearm in a pronated position it pulls on this tuberosity, which acts to twist the radius, sort of externally rotating it in the superior radioulnar joint.
- This brings the hand and rest of the forearm with it due to a bunch of fascia in the forearm and the wrist joint.
This says to me that the biceps is going to be at its’ greatest length when the forearm is pronated, elbow joint extended, and shoulder joint flexed, unless there’s something else biomechanical or physiological that I’m missing here.
Fairly confident about the biceps not being a pronator though, but again, I can be wrong.
Sorry for the hijack Chris, still interested in hearing your logic Trivium, I know you know your stuff.
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
Extended arm with supinated hand is most likely bicep.
[/quote]
What’s the logic here? Just thinking that if the issue is that it’s a tight muscle that’s responding to being stretched with pain, then the bicep would surely hurt more with an extended arm and pronated hand, since it functions as a flexor across the elbow joint and supinator of the forearm. Would that not lead to it being stretched further?[/quote]
No, because the distal attachment of the long head of the biceps attaches to the Radius so when the radius lateral to the ulna (i.e. supine) the biceps are elongated fully. Because of this attachment, he biceps also perform the function of pronation and supination of the lower arm.[/quote]
I’m still not clear on this. I understand it as: - the biceps attaches to the radial tuberosity posteriorly.
- When the biceps flexes with the forearm in a pronated position it pulls on this tuberosity, which acts to twist the radius, sort of externally rotating it in the superior radioulnar joint.
- This brings the hand and rest of the forearm with it due to a bunch of fascia in the forearm and the wrist joint.
This says to me that the biceps is going to be at its’ greatest length when the forearm is pronated, elbow joint extended, and shoulder joint flexed, unless there’s something else biomechanical or physiological that I’m missing here.
Fairly confident about the biceps not being a pronator though, but again, I can be wrong.
Sorry for the hijack Chris, still interested in hearing your logic Trivium, I know you know your stuff.
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The more anyone can type about biceps/elbows being FUBAR, the more I can figure out about how to alleviate my issue 
5/19/2014
Squat:
45 10x
135 5x
185 5x
225 5x
275 3x
315 6x I think this is technically a high bar PR, but I mean obviously it wasn’t really a max rep set
315 5x
315 3x
225 10x
225 10x
Leg Extension:
10 right leg, 10 left leg, 10 right leg, 10 left leg = 1 set
did 3 sets of that
Axle Push Press:
135 3x
185 3x
185 3x
185 3x
Seated DB Press:
50’s for 3 sets of 10; as much for mobility as anything
Pressing pissed me off yesterday so I did some more today. I will probably do it every other day too.
5/21/2014
Deadlift:
135 5x
225 5x
315 3x
405 1x
455 1x
475 3x
475 3x
475 3x I was gonna do 475 for 5 today, but it wasn’t a good day on deadlifts so I just did a 3x3 instead. It was one of those days where my body thought that by deadlifting I was asking it to shit my pants… Also my hamstrings were cramping up badly. Anyway, the first set of 3 was incredibly easy though. I’ll do 5 no problem when it’s feeling a little better.
Beltless Touch and Go Stiff Leg Deadlifts:
405 5x
405 5x
405 5x I’m liking these really heavy beltless stifflegs.
Seated Behind the Neck Press:
45 10x
95 5x
135 5x
155 5x
165 5x
175 5x
185 5x we’re gettin a little shorter on ROM here…
135 10x
135 10x
135 10x
Seated DB Press:
55’s 9x
55’s 10x
Supinated Grip Lat Pulldowns: bicep felt sorta okay on these
3 sets of 10
Chest Supported Row Dropset:
2 drop sets with 3 drops
Inverted Rows on Rings: (Chia reminded me that these were called inverted rows)
3 sets of 10
Yet again the rings are a beneficial addition. If given the choice I would pick rings over anything else for any bodyweight movement.
Upright Rows:
95 for 2 sets of 10
Biceps are a mild shoulder flexor, an elbow flexor, and a supinator of the forearm. For it to be at max length it needs to be pronated, extended at the elbow, and extended at the shoulder. Anatomy mumbo jumbo
5/22/2014
Had to do a late night workout at the Rush commercial gym cuz of work.
Press:
45 10x
95 10x
135 5x
145 5x
155 9x PR
155 5x
155 5x
Feet Up Close Grip Bench:
135 5x
185 5x
225 10x
225 5x
225 5x
Incline Bench:
135 5x
225 5x This was kinda bothering my shoulder after all the other stuff I’d done this week
DB Incline Bench: So I moved it to dumbbells
80’s 10x
80’s 10x
80’s 10x
DB Lateral Raises:
30’s 10x
30’s 10x
30’s 10x
Shoulder Machine:
3 sets of 10
Rope Pushdowns:
3 sets of 10-15
Nice press PR!
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
[quote]Loftearmen wrote:
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
[quote]trivium wrote:
Extended arm with supinated hand is most likely bicep.
[/quote]
What’s the logic here? Just thinking that if the issue is that it’s a tight muscle that’s responding to being stretched with pain, then the bicep would surely hurt more with an extended arm and pronated hand, since it functions as a flexor across the elbow joint and supinator of the forearm. Would that not lead to it being stretched further?[/quote]
No, because the distal attachment of the long head of the biceps attaches to the Radius so when the radius lateral to the ulna (i.e. supine) the biceps are elongated fully. Because of this attachment, he biceps also perform the function of pronation and supination of the lower arm.[/quote]
I’m still not clear on this. I understand it as: - the biceps attaches to the radial tuberosity posteriorly.
- When the biceps flexes with the forearm in a pronated position it pulls on this tuberosity, which acts to twist the radius, sort of externally rotating it in the superior radioulnar joint.
- This brings the hand and rest of the forearm with it due to a bunch of fascia in the forearm and the wrist joint.
This says to me that the biceps is going to be at its’ greatest length when the forearm is pronated, elbow joint extended, and shoulder joint flexed, unless there’s something else biomechanical or physiological that I’m missing here.
Fairly confident about the biceps not being a pronator though, but again, I can be wrong.
Sorry for the hijack Chris, still interested in hearing your logic Trivium, I know you know your stuff.
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The problem here is you are viewing the biceps as a singular unit when it is actually two muscles. In either position, one of the heads of the biceps will be at its shortest and the other at its longest because they have seperate origins. For the sake of safety while deadlifting; however, we are mostly concerned with the long head of the biceps.
Edit: It is not established that muscles are injured when at their longest. Conversely, it would make sense that a muscle would be more likely to tear while it is contracted since it is under higher tension, so this argument is basically pointless.
I disagree with a lot of what you’ve said, and think you’ve misunderstood some of what I’ve said, but I’m going to continue to read up on the topic instead of discussing it (not arguing) here since we’re doing a crap job of convincing each other.
Chris, I pulled 418lbs for 8 the other day, coming for you 
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
Chris, I pulled 418lbs for 8 the other day, coming for you ;)[/quote]
Oh wtf not you too? Jesus Christ, pretty soon I won’t be able to keep up with anybody!
5/23/2014
Squat:
45 5x
135 5x
185 5x
225 5x
275 3x
325 4x
325 4x
325 6x did this set low bar. Bleh… squats felt very poor today
225 10x
225 8x played around with super close stance to finish off the pump
Unilateral Leg Extensions:
3 sets of 10 each leg plus 10 together
GHR:
3 sets of 10
Unilateral Leg Press:
3 sets of 10
Ab Wheel:
3 sets of 10
Seated DB Press:
40’s for 3 sets of 10; just for a little recovery work to get the blood pumping
5/24/2014
18" Deadlift:
135 5x
225 5x
315 5x
405 3x
495 3x
545 1x
585 1x
635 1x 30lb PR
Atlas Stones to 48" Platform:
240lb stone for 4 sets of 4 or 5
left to go to another gym at this point
Rows:
135 5x
225 5x
275 5x
315 5x
315 5x
315 5x
Pullups:
BW 5x
+25 5x
+50 5x
+75 5x
+50 8x
+25 10x
BW 15x
V-Bar Cable Rows:
4 sets of 10; drop set on the 4th one w/ 2 drops
Machine Pulldowns:
4 sets of 10
Cable Rear Delt Flies:
4 sets of 10
Reverse Curls
65lbs for 4 sets of 10
Rope Curls:
4 sets of 10
Update on left arm: So the problem feels different now. Supination isn’t that bad anymore, but when I pronate my hand with my arm bent at the elbow I get an intense shooting pain. There’s not quite as much pain now, but at the gym when I did it, it was so bad that my knees started to buckle lol.
Here’s my 635 strongman deadlift:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Here’s my 635 strongman deadlift:
FUG YEA BIC!!!
Awesome.
Great job brother!
[quote]Alpha wrote:
Great job brother![/quote]
HOLY SHIT ALPHA IS BACK AND HE IS POSTING IN CSULLI’s LOG.
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN MAN?