Has Anyone Ever Tried Salvia?

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[quote]Sourdiesel wrote:
My friends and I smoked saliva that was 20x or 25x. Most definitely never smoking that shit again. There was three of us and we took turns smoking some from a bowl because we knew shit could get crazy. The high was not enjoyable to say the least. The kid who smoked the saliva first wanted to jump out his sixth floor window because he thought he was super mario world and that me and my other friend were henchman trying to kill him. He would have jumped too if not for me and other friend pulling him back into the apartment. [/quote]

Don’t blame the salvia, he’s mentally unstable and needs help. It’s because of stories like this that our politicians outlaw plants. Remember Reefer Madness? Pure propaganda.

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[quote]Hog Ear wrote:

[quote]Sourdiesel wrote:
My friends and I smoked saliva that was 20x or 25x. Most definitely never smoking that shit again. There was three of us and we took turns smoking some from a bowl because we knew shit could get crazy. The high was not enjoyable to say the least. The kid who smoked the saliva first wanted to jump out his sixth floor window because he thought he was super mario world and that me and my other friend were henchman trying to kill him. He would have jumped too if not for me and other friend pulling him back into the apartment. [/quote]

Don’t blame the salvia, he’s mentally unstable and needs help. It’s because of stories like this that our politicians outlaw plants. Remember Reefer Madness? Pure propaganda. [/quote]

Give me a break. We aren’t talking about people putting kittens in the microwave while stoned; we are discussing a drug that can completely rip someone out of reality for a short period of time.

Anyone can become “mentally unstable” if you fuck around with a chemical that changes your ability to be “stable” to such a startling degree.

I’m interested in where you got your psychiatry credentials, considering you are apparently able to say with such authority that acting irrationally under the influence of a potent hallucinogenic is somehow abnormal and that the person in question must be “unstable” (whatever the hell that means).

I’m not saying we need to grab our torches and pitchforks and storm the salvia fields, but chalking up these types of (fairly common) experiences on this drug to mental instability makes you as dismissive and biased as the people you were whining about in your post… which sucks because what people NEED when considering using a drug like this is reasonable, sound advice (see SCC’s post) and not some hippie garbage insinuating that nature always knows best and would NEVER hurt us.

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[quote]anonym wrote:

[quote]Hog Ear wrote:

[quote]Sourdiesel wrote:
My friends and I smoked saliva that was 20x or 25x. Most definitely never smoking that shit again. There was three of us and we took turns smoking some from a bowl because we knew shit could get crazy. The high was not enjoyable to say the least. The kid who smoked the saliva first wanted to jump out his sixth floor window because he thought he was super mario world and that me and my other friend were henchman trying to kill him. He would have jumped too if not for me and other friend pulling him back into the apartment. [/quote]

Don’t blame the salvia, he’s mentally unstable and needs help. It’s because of stories like this that our politicians outlaw plants. Remember Reefer Madness? Pure propaganda. [/quote]

Give me a break. We aren’t talking about people putting kittens in the microwave while stoned; we are discussing a drug that can completely rip someone out of reality for a short period of time.

Anyone can become “mentally unstable” if you fuck around with a chemical that changes your ability to be “stable” to such a startling degree.

I’m interested in where you got your psychiatry credentials, considering you are apparently able to say with such authority that acting irrationally under the influence of a potent hallucinogenic is somehow abnormal and that the person in question must be “unstable” (whatever the hell that means).

I’m not saying we need to grab our torches and pitchforks and storm the salvia fields, but chalking up these types of (fairly common) experiences on this drug to mental instability makes you as dismissive and biased as the people you were whining about in your post… which sucks because what people NEED when considering using a drug like this is reasonable, sound advice (see SCC’s post) and not some hippie garbage insinuating that nature always knows best and would NEVER hurt us.[/quote]

Personally I think the story about trying to jump out the window is pure bullshit. I’ve smoked 25x salvia back in the day and it doesn’t do shit. And I can guarantee you I smoked enough of it too. I put a huge pinch of it in a bong and sandwiched it between some White Widow and took the whole thing to my face…for about an hour straight.

Was I fucked up? Yeah of course, but I wasn’t anywhere close to what I’ve heard described here. Salvia’s fucking bullshit. It’s not for someone who smokes weed at a party every once in a while, but for someone who smokes weed on a regular basis or enjoys cocaine or drinks heavily or has shroomed a few times or dropped a hundred tabs of acid or so over the years, it’s like huffing nitrous. Whoever tried to jump out the window must have been either A) smoking a controlled substance for one of the first times in his life or B) the type who acts like a complete jackass everytime he gets a few beers in him or C) the type who takes a couple bong rips and then is entirely incapable of moving off of the couch for the next hour and a half.

Is the drug dangerous? Sure, pretty much all drugs are. But all drugs have varying amounts of danger involved with using them that hinges directly on who is using them. Some people can handle high-octane LSD and some can’t. Some people can handle salvia and others can’t. But based on my own experiences with a wide, varied assortment of drugs, including weed, hash, keef, opium, LSD, ecstacy, pure MDMA, peyote, shrooms, ketamine (also known as special-K), cocaine, crystal meth, oxy, amyl nitrites, and virtually every commonly-abused pharmaceutical, salvia is way, way down on the list in terms of potency and detrimental effects on the thought process. But this is from my own experience and in no way is a clinical evaluation.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Personally I think the story about trying to jump out the window is pure bullshit. I’ve smoked 25x salvia back in the day and it doesn’t do shit. And I can guarantee you I smoked enough of it too. I put a huge pinch of it in a bong and sandwiched it between some White Widow and took the whole thing to my face…for about an hour straight.

Was I fucked up? Yeah of course, but I wasn’t anywhere close to what I’ve heard described here. Salvia’s fucking bullshit. It’s not for someone who smokes weed at a party every once in a while, but for someone who smokes weed on a regular basis or enjoys cocaine or drinks heavily or has shroomed a few times or dropped a hundred tabs of acid or so over the years, it’s like huffing nitrous. Whoever tried to jump out the window must have been either A) smoking a controlled substance for one of the first times in his life or B) the type who acts like a complete jackass everytime he gets a few beers in him or C) the type who takes a couple bong rips and then is entirely incapable of moving off of the couch for the next hour and a half.

Is the drug dangerous? Sure, pretty much all drugs are. But all drugs have varying amounts of danger involved with using them that hinges directly on who is using them. Some people can handle high-octane LSD and some can’t. Some people can handle salvia and others can’t. But based on my own experiences with a wide, varied assortment of drugs, including weed, hash, keef, opium, LSD, ecstacy, pure MDMA, peyote, shrooms, ketamine (also known as special-K), cocaine, crystal meth, oxy, amyl nitrites, and virtually every commonly-abused pharmaceutical, salvia is way, way down on the list in terms of potency and detrimental effects on the thought process. But this is from my own experience and in no way is a clinical evaluation.[/quote]

I guess our experiences on salvia differ from one another, because when I tried it I was completely out of my mind for about 10 minutes (though it felt like longer). I won’t bother sharing what I “experienced” as I would hate to bore you to death, but it really was a state of mind that was completely detached from reality. This was off of (I believe) 80x. The second time was around 20x or so, which resulted in nothing more than a laughing fit.

I just find the idea of labeling someone “unstable” because they had severe hallucinations/delusions brought about by a drug which is taken specifically for those sorts of effects to be ridiculous. In fact, such an effect is to be expected, I would think, though obviously the severity is dependent upon the dosage and individual. There was nothing inherently self-destructive about the guy’s behavior - he was legitimately in a state of mind that made him believe that he was either capable of surviving such a jump or trapped in a situation that necessitated it. To suggest that he must have had some sort of underlying mental issue that would manifest itself as the urge to jump out of a six-story window is just a little too dismissive in my mind, particularly since I can relate to just how hard and FAST this drug can come on (my experience is that when it goes to work on you, it goes balls-deep with zero foreplay).

FWIW, I was a fairly regular pot smoker for years before I tried salvia and the initial hit of the 80x was completely unlike anything I have gotten from weed. While I didn’t feel compelled to do anything that could result in physical harm, I can at least relate to the state of mind that could potentially lead to such a result.

So, I guess we disagree about the extent to which salvia can affect ones mind. Since both are based in our experiences, this is probably one of those situations where we will have to agree to disagree. It’s just my opinion that those types of detachments and warped perspectives are common enough with this drug that there should be some measure of care taken when evaluating it and the cautionary tales of what it can do should be taken a little more seriously so as to not paint it with the same brush we do pot and dismiss any criticisms of it as political propaganda.

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fuck drugs. how can you live like that

that stuff is not for me

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Like I said in my previous post it is not something to be taken lightly. Just as anonym has said, if you have a full strength trip you are COMPLETELY detached from reality. When I did it I had NO idea that I had done any drug. In short it was like being born for the first time as a conscious entity alone in a black void. I had the ability to reason and think but without ANY knowledge of my life on earth. On the most fundamental level I didn’t know anything- I did not know that MATTER existed. This is why people freak out. You can not know who you are, where you are, “what” you are, that you took drugs etc. People saying that salvia is nothing special have not had a full trip. This could be because the extract was weak ( 60x isn’t always 60x), they didn’t use a bong and jet lighter like you are supposed to, they didn’t hold in the hit, or they simply have a hard head for drugs. Saying that others who got freaked out are “unstable” or “weak” is incredibly ignorant.

I have a friend is is very into psychedelics with and almost academic interested in them. He does mushrooms, MDMA, Acid, and DMT on a regular basis. He rarely has bad trips on these drugs yet has no interested in doing Salvia again. This should tell you something. This is also a very common sentiment in the drug community. Many regular acid and shroom trippers will not touch Salvia.

I’m not trying to say that a good experience isn’t possible, it totally is and is dependent on a wide variety of factors. To say though that anyone who has a bad trip is weak is just stupid.

And yes it hits like a ton of bricks, I would say it can go from nothing to full strength in under 5 seconds.

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[quote]kothreat wrote:
I`ve ingested 8+ grams of mushrooms in one handful before and there is no comparison to the intensity.[/quote]

Awesome, I’ve been getting myself ready for a heroic dose lately. Shrooms hit me so much harder than most psychedelics for some reason. I get really, really emotionally fragile. Pure ego loss.

Ahem, maybe. :slight_smile: Although I have never used… :frowning:

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:
fuck drugs. how can you live like that

that stuff is not for me[/quote]

Congrats on doing the same thing you do on every other thread. Coming in hating, just to stir trouble. You’re either a 20-something without many friends or an old, bitter person without many friends, I take it?

Dude, no one LIVES like that. You are just as stupid and ignorant as someone saying “Oh my God, those bodybuilders just LIVE in the gym… 7 hours a day.”

You sir, have been served.

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link to various salvia articles such as “swimming in mercury”

link to Clemson’s own legal synthetic marijuana

http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/gyrobase/blogs/Archives?id=HaireoftheDog&category=2214786

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I’ve done it 2x, both with a bong and torch lighter. The “tripping the fuck out” part only lasts a few minutes but you feel a little weird for a while after.

The first time was way more hardcore, I laid on the ground and thought I was a dollhouse. My buddy was there and he was a doll house too, but when he started laughing at me he turned into a red dollhouse (the rest of us were blue dollhouses) and I tried to tell him to chill out cuz the other doll houses were getting pissed. Then I started looking for my keys and putting my shoes on because I NEEDED to go to the airport. Probably about 4-5 minutes.

The second time I laid on the ground and looked up at the ceiling light. I thought I’d fallen into a volcano and the light was the open sky through the hole in the top of the volcano. I was about to freak the fuck out because I knew I wouldn’t be able to climb out before I came out of it. This one lasted less than a minute.

I’ve also tried acid, shrooms and DMT. Favorite was DMT, I did it a bunch of times but my favorite trip was this:

Immediately after exhaling, my vision shattered like a kaleidoscope. Everything I looked at would shatter into a million pieces, and if I tried to focus on one of those pieces itd shatter into a million more. So I shut my eyes and went to the most peaceful place ever. I was floating in whiteness, like the whitest cleanest white ever, and there were yellow gelly blobs also very vibrant all around me. Every yellow blob had a naked asian chick on it with huge drumsticks playing along to the music we were listening to.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
I`ve ingested 8+ grams of mushrooms in one handful before and there is no comparison to the intensity.[/quote]

Awesome, I’ve been getting myself ready for a heroic dose lately. Shrooms hit me so much harder than most psychedelics for some reason. I get really, really emotionally fragile. Pure ego loss.

Ahem, maybe. :slight_smile: Although I have never used… :([/quote]

It was quite the trip. Plus I ate the “weird one”. There was a messed up looking cap in the bag, so I decided it was a good idea to throw that in there as well. I was reading a lot of philosophy at the time. So, while I was flying through the cosmos all this stuff I had been reading became so clear.

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Never tried it, anytime I saw anyone else try it they had a bad time. Was funny for everyone else though.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

Congrats on doing the same thing you do on every other thread. Coming in hating, just to stir trouble. You’re either a 20-something without many friends or an old, bitter person without many friends, I take it?

You are just as stupid and ignorant as someone saying “Oh my God, those bodybuilders just LIVE in the gym… 7 hours a day.”

You sir, have been served.[/quote]

I am sorry if I offended you but I never said I condemn drugs. I do hate drugs but I am not hating on anyone. You can do whatever you want, I am not your dad. But myself I am interested in reality.

[quote]SSC wrote:
Dude, no one LIVES like that.
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This is not true. I know quite a few people who function everyday the majority of the time under the influence of drug and I find that it is a really scary thing.

From this response I assume that you take drug. How do you expect me to even take those reproach seriously if you don’t even live in the same world than me.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]kothreat wrote:
I`ve ingested 8+ grams of mushrooms in one handful before and there is no comparison to the intensity.[/quote]

Awesome, I’ve been getting myself ready for a heroic dose lately. Shrooms hit me so much harder than most psychedelics for some reason. I get really, really emotionally fragile. Pure ego loss.

Ahem, maybe. :slight_smile: Although I have never used… :([/quote]

I tried DMT once. I don’t recommend it. It’s just a totally different experience than anything you’ve ever had, unless you’ve been in the K-hole before (ketamine, which is another I don’t recommend for the same reason). DMT makes even 8 grams of shrooms feel like a healthy meal by comparison. I consider(ed) my general mindset to be perfect for handling large amounts of psychedelics, mainly because I have successfully handled large amounts of psychedelics (although I’ve never eaten more than about 7 grams of shrooms in one sitting, but shit, once you get past 5 or 6 grams, is there really that much more of a difference?). But I wasn’t prepared for DMT at all.

When I took it, I used this other drug called…fuck, I can’t remember. Started with an H. Anyways, my buddy was some pseudo-expert on this shit and apparently you have to take this other drug to help your body metabolize the DMT so it lasts longer. Big mistake. Normally you’re looking at an hour at the absolute most, but this H drug made it last for about 2 1/2 hours. We smoked it out of a crystal meth pipe first, then smoked some of it with some bud.

Imagine falling through the hole in Alice in Wonderland and then stopping halfway and being stuck looking through this dark shaft with the world at the end of the shaft, far, far away. That’s how it is. That’s how it was for me anyways. I have no idea what a common dosage is so I don’t know if I did too much or what, but I did just as much as my buddy did and he was a DMT veteran. That shit gets right on top of you FAST too. Like 30 sec. to 1 minute for the real intense shit to start after the first hit. Every hit after that just sent me further and further into Neverland. I enjoyed it only because I was able to come back from wherever it was I went.

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Huh. This thread makes me curious about trying salvia. It’s both horrifying and awesome to become completely lost in your head.

Has anyone here experimented with sensory deprivation? or even know what i mean by that?

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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
Huh. This thread makes me curious about trying salvia. It’s both horrifying and awesome to become completely lost in your head.

Has anyone here experimented with sensory deprivation? or even know what i mean by that?[/quote]

I’ve been in a float tank, awesome experience, do it.

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[quote]Hog Ear wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
Huh. This thread makes me curious about trying salvia. It’s both horrifying and awesome to become completely lost in your head.

Has anyone here experimented with sensory deprivation? or even know what i mean by that?[/quote]

I’ve been in a float tank, awesome experience, do it. [/quote]

that’s what i hear from everyone who’s tried it. awesome, definitely going to look into it.

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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
Huh. This thread makes me curious about trying salvia. It’s both horrifying and awesome to become completely lost in your head.

Has anyone here experimented with sensory deprivation? or even know what i mean by that?[/quote]

I cut my nose off once. Does that count?

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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
Huh. This thread makes me curious about trying salvia. It’s both horrifying and awesome to become completely lost in your head.

Has anyone here experimented with sensory deprivation? or even know what i mean by that?[/quote]

Would recommend trying something with sensory deprivation, it’s pretty interesting. I’d probably do shrooms but that’s because they make me philosophical and I’d get into an interesting stream of consciousness.

However, don’t expect anything on salvia. You don’t need music, TV, or anything really. You’re not very conscious about anything going on for a solid 4-5 minutes… and then you’re just really, really stupid for like 10, haha.

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I did that shit up in Toronto last year. It didn’t really do much other than make my vision a little blurry (kinda like “trails” when you’re doing acid), felt a little paranoid and give me a fucking headache for a half hour. Glad I didn’t freak out! LOL