Salvia Train Wreck

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Yesterday me and some of my friends decided that we were going to make a trip into Vancouver and pick up some salvia. This would be the first time I had tried it and the only other drugs I had done were marijuana (occasionally) and alcohol (very rarely).

After picking up the Salvia we went out to a nice place in a park by my house and I smoked 2 hits, within about 20 seconds the full effects hit me. Anyone who has had a psychedelic experience knows how hard it is to describe but I will try my best.

The first thoughts that went through my head were- where am I? who am I?, I had ZERO concept of reality. It is the most horrifying thing I have ever experienced bar none. I looked over at my friends and instead of asking ?who are they?? I asked myself ?what are they?? The thoughts are so difficult to wrap my mind around that it baffles me to think about it.

I didn?t know ANYTHING, I was reborn. I had no concept of what a human being was; I had no concept of the physical world or my own physical existence. The only thing that existed was ?energies?. My whole existence was a thought, if you would have asked me what ?earth? was I couldn?t have answered, firstly because I actually didn?t know and secondly because I had know concept of speech or even sound.

All I remember was that I was completely horrified because I had no idea that I had taken any sort of drug, it was like my existence had begin and I was all alone in the middle of a black void with no one to guide me. My friends tell me that I was like this for about 10 minutes but it honestly felt like 3 or 4 hours.

The first thing that brought me back was the realization that I had a body, I started to look at my arms and legs and I was completely confused as to what they were but I had a ?sense? that they belonged to me. Slowly I started to put reality back together and I was asking myself questions like ?What are humans?, ?how do human beings live?? and then I would think to myself ?oh, we live in these things called ?families?.

Then piece by piece I relearned the most basic things. During this whole ordeal I was completely and utterly horrified, there is no word in language that can come even close to accurately describing the amount of fear I felt, I know now that the most scary thing a person can experience is to not know what there place in the world is.

I did this at around 5 pm on Friday and I?m writing this at 5:30 am Saturday morning, I have not slept single minute and I have had cold sweets all night and I am now shivering. Every time I try to put myself back in that place I get physically sick to my stomach with fear. I have been contemplating the experience the whole night, asking myself if it was worth it or not.

I have been praying that I?m okay and hoping that ill soon be able to get to sleep. I have made up my mind that this is the only time I?m every going to try a psychedelic because I can?t imagine going thought that fear again. I realize that I had what people would call a ?bad trip? and that it?s not the same for all people.

This is just a warning for anyone that might be thinking of trying Salvia, it was way more powerful then I ever imagined.

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[quote]tmay11 wrote:
Yesterday me and some of my friends decided that we were going to make a trip into Vancouver and pick up some salvia. This would be the first time I had tried it and the only other drugs I had done were marijuana (occasionally) and alcohol (very rarely).

After picking up the Salvia we went out to a nice place in a park by my house and I smoked 2 hits, within about 20 seconds the full effects hit me. Anyone who has had a psychedelic experience knows how hard it is to describe but I will try my best.

The first thoughts that went through my head were- where am I? who am I?, I had ZERO concept of reality. It is the most horrifying thing I have ever experienced bar none. I looked over at my friends and instead of asking ?who are they?? I asked myself ?what are they?? The thoughts are so difficult to wrap my mind around that it baffles me to think about it.

I didn?t know ANYTHING, I was reborn. I had no concept of what a human being was; I had no concept of the physical world or my own physical existence. The only thing that existed was ?energies?. My whole existence was a thought, if you would have asked me what ?earth? was I couldn?t have answered, firstly because I actually didn?t know and secondly because I had know concept of speech or even sound.

All I remember was that I was completely horrified because I had no idea that I had taken any sort of drug, it was like my existence had begin and I was all alone in the middle of a black void with no one to guide me. My friends tell me that I was like this for about 10 minutes but it honestly felt like 3 or 4 hours.

The first thing that brought me back was the realization that I had a body, I started to look at my arms and legs and I was completely confused as to what they were but I had a ?sense? that they belonged to me. Slowly I started to put reality back together and I was asking myself questions like ?What are humans?, ?how do human beings live?? and then I would think to myself ?oh, we live in these things called ?families?.

Then piece by piece I relearned the most basic things. During this whole ordeal I was completely and utterly horrified, there is no word in language that can come even close to accurately describing the amount of fear I felt, I know now that the most scary thing a person can experience is to not know what there place in the world is.

I did this at around 5 pm on Friday and I?m writing this at 5:30 am Sunday morning, I have not slept single minute and I have had cold sweets all night and I am now shivering. Every time I try to put myself back in that place I get physically sick to my stomach with fear. I have been contemplating the experience the whole night, asking myself if it was worth it or not.

I have been praying that I?m okay and hoping that ill soon be able to get to sleep. I have made up my mind that this is the only time I?m every going to try a psychedelic because I can?t imagine going thought that fear again. I realize that I had what people would call a ?bad trip? and that it?s not the same for all people.

This is just a warning for anyone that might be thinking of trying Salvia, it was way more powerful then I ever imagined. [/quote]

If you didn’t know anything how did you what a human being or what a family was?

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[quote]tmay11 wrote:
I have been contemplating the experience the whole night, asking myself if it was worth it or not.

[/quote]

LOL. So you are actually thinking about doing this shit again?

BTW, I must be getting old… what the hell is salvia?

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I have some friends who used to use salvia every once in w hile. One of the things it’s known for is creating feelings of fear and terror. If you’re going to trip again, you might want to try something else.

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[quote]timmyboy5410 wrote:
tmay11 wrote:
I have been contemplating the experience the whole night, asking myself if it was worth it or not.

LOL. So you are actually thinking about doing this shit again?

BTW, I must be getting old… what the hell is salvia?[/quote]

To my knowledge, it is a mildly psychoactive legal plant that was used extensively by Mexican Indians to treat several biological maladies and believed to have magical properties.

I think it’s illegal in Louisiana.

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"The effects of Salvia are regarded by many to be highly spiritual. Many find Salvia useful for meditation. Consciousness is retained until the highest doses, but body control, awareness of the external environment, and individual personality may be affected with even modest amounts. Even those experienced with the use of other psychoactive substances may feel confused and less in control.

At lower doses, spontaneous laughter, mild closed-eye visuals, stuttering or strobing visual effects, enhanced or distorted depth perception, and a heightened sense of color and texture may be experienced.

Moderate doses appear trance-like. Time distortion and open-eye visuals become increasingly apparent. Fractal patterns and geometric shapes may be noticeable with eyes open, and can be confusing. Many people experience sensations of falling, similar to, but more pronounced than what is occasionally felt at the onset of sleep. The user may experience fully formed visions of other places, people, and events, especially with eyes closed.

At high doses the effects become more powerful and may additionally include reports of perceptions of dimensional distortion, vertigo, feelings of intense exhilaration and/or panic, sensations of wind or physical pressure, hearing voices, flanging of sound, significant open and closed-eye visuals, loss of speech, dissociation, reports of experiencing alternate realities, out-of-body experiences, visiting parallel universes, as well as perceived contact with beings or entities, dissolution of one’s ego and life changing experiences.

Many users report twisting or splitting feelings. It is also not unusual that, while experiencing the effects, a person will not remember that they have taken Salvia, which can cause the user to panic. A strong feeling of d?j? vu is commonly reported as an effect of large doses of Salvia.

The experience is quite different from that of most other psychoactives and may be overwhelming, even with a conducive, reassuring and comfortable set and setting. Most Salvia practitioners recommend darkness and silence as the best environment; however, minimal, ambient or relaxing music can be helpful."

Yea - this sounds bad. You definitely should have been more careful about taking this. Just reading up on it has shown me that I’d never touch this shit, and until I saw this thread about 10 minutes ago, I never even heard of it.

I tripped enough back in the day to know that it isn’t something I’m crazy about doing anyway (I’d much rather smoke a joint and have a couple of drinks) so something that actively creates feelings of fear would not be on my list of preferred substances. I’ve been nervous and freaked on two hits of mescaline, I couldn’t imagine touching this shit.

I empathize with you dude, a bad trip can be terrifying. You’ll get over it. Be careful in the future man…

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Salvia is a hell of a drug. Of all the shit I ever tried in my wilder days, Salvia is by far the strongest.

The one saving grace is how short lived the effects are. If you have a bad trip its ok because you’re not going to spend 8 hours inside a horrible, crushing hell like you can on acid.

Most people come away form experiences like yours feeling exhilarated and happy to be alive, I know I always did.

The last time that I took Salvia I lived, for what seemed like centuries, as two different symbols.

I knew that I had sacrificed something in order to become these symbols and that I hadn’t always been part of a written language. I understood however that I had to do this in order that societies could progress via the development of written communication.

Every time that somebody wrote me down I could feel their emotions being channeled through me and expressed to others as they read me.

Gradually I began to realise that being an individual human was the sacrifice I had made and decided to go back to being a person because it felt more comfortable.

It was a profoundly moving experience but not one that I’m in any particular hurry to re-enact.

Don’t worry about lasting mental damage from Salvia. It is completely unheard of. It seems that you were a little unsure as to what you were getting yourself into before you took the stuff.

I recommend that you always go and check out www.erowid.org before trying out any new substances. It is a vastly informative archive of knowledge about every single drug known to man.

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You idiot-you’re never supposed to take psychedelics if you even worry a tiny amount. If you worry before taking them, or afraid how they will work, or any negative thoughts, then they will magnify it to monstrous proportions (some people even see monsters and other things that incur fright).

You live, you learn. Stay away from drugs.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
timmyboy5410 wrote:
tmay11 wrote:
I have been contemplating the experience the whole night, asking myself if it was worth it or not.

LOL. So you are actually thinking about doing this shit again?

BTW, I must be getting old… what the hell is salvia?

To my knowledge, it is a mildly psychoactive legal plant that was used extensively by Mexican Indians to treat several biological maladies and believed to have magical properties.

I think it’s illegal in Louisiana.[/quote]

“His names Chavez y Chavez, he’s a Mexican Indian.” Damn, I have to go rent Young Guns now.

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I have never heard or have had a experience like you just described

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think it’s illegal in Louisiana.[/quote]

The sale of it is, but not posession.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
tmay11 wrote:
Yesterday me and some of my friends decided that we were going to make a trip into Vancouver and pick up some salvia. This would be the first time I had tried it and the only other drugs I had done were marijuana (occasionally) and alcohol (very rarely).

After picking up the Salvia we went out to a nice place in a park by my house and I smoked 2 hits, within about 20 seconds the full effects hit me. Anyone who has had a psychedelic experience knows how hard it is to describe but I will try my best.

The first thoughts that went through my head were- where am I? who am I?, I had ZERO concept of reality. It is the most horrifying thing I have ever experienced bar none. I looked over at my friends and instead of asking ?who are they?? I asked myself ?what are they?? The thoughts are so difficult to wrap my mind around that it baffles me to think about it.

I didn?t know ANYTHING, I was reborn. I had no concept of what a human being was; I had no concept of the physical world or my own physical existence. The only thing that existed was ?energies?. My whole existence was a thought, if you would have asked me what ?earth? was I couldn?t have answered, firstly because I actually didn?t know and secondly because I had know concept of speech or even sound.

All I remember was that I was completely horrified because I had no idea that I had taken any sort of drug, it was like my existence had begin and I was all alone in the middle of a black void with no one to guide me. My friends tell me that I was like this for about 10 minutes but it honestly felt like 3 or 4 hours.

The first thing that brought me back was the realization that I had a body, I started to look at my arms and legs and I was completely confused as to what they were but I had a ?sense? that they belonged to me. Slowly I started to put reality back together and I was asking myself questions like ?What are humans?, ?how do human beings live?? and then I would think to myself ?oh, we live in these things called ?families?.

Then piece by piece I relearned the most basic things. During this whole ordeal I was completely and utterly horrified, there is no word in language that can come even close to accurately describing the amount of fear I felt, I know now that the most scary thing a person can experience is to not know what there place in the world is.

I did this at around 5 pm on Friday and I?m writing this at 5:30 am Sunday morning, I have not slept single minute and I have had cold sweets all night and I am now shivering. Every time I try to put myself back in that place I get physically sick to my stomach with fear. I have been contemplating the experience the whole night, asking myself if it was worth it or not.

I have been praying that I?m okay and hoping that ill soon be able to get to sleep. I have made up my mind that this is the only time I?m every going to try a psychedelic because I can?t imagine going thought that fear again. I realize that I had what people would call a ?bad trip? and that it?s not the same for all people.

This is just a warning for anyone that might be thinking of trying Salvia, it was way more powerful then I ever imagined.

If you didn’t know anything how did you what a human being or what a family was?
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This was after I started to come down. In the begining I had no idea what ethier of those were.

And I forgot to mention that I did read up on it alot before I tried it but I guess that still didn’t prepare me.

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[quote]timmyboy5410 wrote:
tmay11 wrote:
I have been contemplating the experience the whole night, asking myself if it was worth it or not.

LOL. So you are actually thinking about doing this shit again?

BTW, I must be getting old… what the hell is salvia?[/quote]

No, I would never do it again but I think the one time was worth it for the insight gained. This is definitely the only “trip” I’m going to ever have.

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I don’t know… I had 10x salvia extract and it was a fun ASS trip… except that for a while I thought dracula was outside my window (I live in a single in the dorms at UCI). I can see someone having a bad trip, but not to the extent they lose all contact with reality. Like X said, it’s a mild drug.

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Ego-dissolution is more common on salvia than not. It’s one of those hallucinogens, that smoked, like DMT and 5-MeO-DMT one needs to get a “critical hit” in order to trip. You either trip or you don’t.

When I’d done salvia, it took me back to a primitive state of mind. Like how I’d been as an infant. There was glossolalia in my head that seemed to be baby babble.

And a strong sense of nostalgia, traces of early memories. Closed-eye style visuals superimposed over my regular external sight revealed some of my earliest visual memories. Vaguely familiar colors and textures, blurred as to untrained eyes.

Trying to move on salvia was difficult. Like in a world 2D or 2 1/2D, rather than 3 dimensional, I slid through my space rather than moving as walking. Like one of those puzzles with one empty square, my body became the universe, and it was impossible to tell if I moved through the world or if the world moved around my body. Frame of reference shattered.

It’s like being born all over again.

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[quote]Supraman wrote:

It’s like being born all over again.[/quote]

Thats a very good way to describe it. The first thing my friend said when he came back was that he was “reborn”.

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The one time I did salvia I took a HUGE bong rip in my buddies dorm room my sophmore year of college. I had done acid a dozen times previously, but it was a totally different experience. I was outside of my body, and actually able to look at myself from above (in reality, how the fuck is this possible, right?).

I had an intense out-of-body 10 or so minutes, and quit doing recreational/expanding drugs a couple month later. Weird and crazy stuff.

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i fell to the ground, and thought a net was squishing me…when the trip was over i was covered in mud and my friends all got a great laugh

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[quote]jarvis wrote:
Salvia is a hell of a drug. Of all the shit I ever tried in my wilder days, Salvia is by far the strongest.[/quote]

I couldn’t have put that better, Jarvis!

Salvia D is legal over here in England. A small vial will cost you about 15 pounds.

Some friends and I had a ‘oh why not moment’ a few years ago and tried it out. I felt like I was being sucked hard down a bathtub drain at first. The G-force was unbelievable.

Then I saw myself, clothes and all spread out like a sheet of mercury across the table and go rolling across the surface. I ‘came to’ right as I was spilling over the edge. I felt like my skin was being sand-blasted away the whole time.

The other two didn’t feel a thing, and another said she had the most intensely spiritual and scary experience of her life, talking to these ‘beings’ who told her to NEVER come back to this place. She ‘came back’ crying and in an awful state. It only lasted a minute or two, but she said she lost all track of time and felt like she was there forever.

The trip is short, and can be way more than you bargained for. The rest of that stuff hit the trash can. None of us even blinked at that decision.

I think it’s amazing you can get Salvia D legally here (not the Salvia in your mother’s flower bed), because of all the things I tried back in my ‘hippie daze’, it beats all… and in my opinion, there’s absolutely no pleasure in it whatsoever.

Micki