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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
The fundamental argument you’re presenting, Prof, is “Since I overcame the problem its not really a problem.” Since you started out as an ectomorph and had the resources to eat enough and a fast enough metabolism that you didnt gain ridiculous amounts of fat, you overcame being a hardgainer.

I stand by the fact that, notwithstanding, you nor anyone else has the right to judge someone else for the difficulties they find in whatever endeavor they’re undertaking. What if they cant allow enough of a budget to “eat big”? What if they have a slow metabolism and eating enough to gain muscle means either gaining a ton of fat or having to eat super strict (there’s a big difference between forcing a big mac down your throat and forcing a plate of broccoli)? What if they have an anxiety disorder that causes them to have elevated levels of cortisol, thus hindering muscle growth?

While none of these are excuses as to why someone “cant” do it, they are reasonable points as to why it may be difficult for them to do it. Yes, every problem has a solution, but that doesnt mean the problem doesnt exist.[/quote]

Dude, I was broke as hell growing up. I didn’t gain ANY weight until I got to college and most of that came from hustling food out of the cafeteria and getting other people to buy me shit. That means it was difficult for me as well. Until I went into the military, I didn’t have any regular income and I still made progress. That is why I don’t care to hear too many sob stories unless someone is truly shit out of luck.

Just because some of us aren’t broke now, it doesn’t mean we haven’t been there. It comes down to how badly you want to make progress. I doubt very many of us have been that financially gifted from the start.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< What if they have an anxiety disorder that causes them to have elevated levels of cortisol, thus hindering muscle growth? >>>

You gotta be kiddin with this one.

What if a straggling piece of skylab hits them in their bathtub?

What if a large predatory animal escapes from a nearby zoo and consumes one of their limbs?

What if someone digs up a nude photograph of Barbara Mikulski and leaves them cowering in a padded cell for life?

Come on man, we can talk about this and all the exceptions til the swallows come back to Capistrano and the simple fact will remain that 99 out of every hundred people that show up here complaining about lack of progress are just not working hard enough or eating enough or both.

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Damn. I didn’t even need to respond after this one.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
<<< That is why I don’t care to hear too many sob stories unless someone is truly shit out of luck. >>>[/quote]

I’ll go so far as to say that JUST ABOUT any person not posting from a library because they can’t afford a computer and internet access can find a way to afford to grow.

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[quote]jdrannin1 wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:

Yeah but whether bodybuilding or not, I want to remain healthy. Hence, no fast food for me.

BTW, although I’ve already stated my case on this thread, you’ll never hear me complain about not being able to eat enough. At one point I was force feeding myself every couple of hours and it sucked. Eventually I found myself getting hungry every couple hours. Now if I go 3 hours without eating I feel like I’m starving. It’s amazing how the body adapts.

I understand what you mean, but one meal wont kill you. 3 fast food meals once a week wont kill you. By working out and eating healthy most of the time, you are far ahead of the rest of the population who should probably avoid fast food. You are way healthier than them, even if you do have a little chub on you from eating too much Pizza Hut. So “health” shouldnt be a concern from a couple cheat meals.

Dont sweat it anyway. You will have a hard time gaining weight eating clean all the time too. It’s 2 steps forward, 1 step back game.[/quote]

Agreed. One of the reasons why I think a lot of people have a hard time gaining weight is because they are so preoccupied with eating clean/“healthy” all the time. How many threads have we seen of people who measure out every last detail of their diets and try to adhere to this “perfect” diet 100% only to find that they can’t gain weight, or burn out after a couple weeks.

It’s like someone who wants to “get in shape” so they go to the gym 7 days a week, bust their ass and burn out after a month (“New Years resolutions” anyone?).

It’s not about being “perfect”, it’s about being consistent. A meal at McDonalds 3-4 times a week (which is less than 10% of your food intake) isn’t going to cause you to have congestive heart failure, or develop atherosclerosis. I think people took that movie “Super Size Me” a little to the extreme (by the way, was anyone else pissed when McDonalds removed their “Super Size” menu? Bastards!).

In regards to the whole “ectomorph”, “endomorph”, “mesomorph” issue/idea. Like X said, very few people (if any) actually fall into any one of those three categories exactly. They also don’t take into account so many factors (such as lifestyle, diet, exercise, etc…) that even trying to use multiple phenotypes to describe a person’s body type likely isn’t all that accurate.

For instance, my girlfriend was a heavy kid. So, most people would probably have defined her as an endomorph. The problem with that is that she was literally banned from any physical activity (sports, games, etc…) throughout her entire child hood. She also ate a diet consisting mainly of high amounts of carbs and fats in the same meals (she’s Cypriot).

However, a couple years ago she decided to start eating more healthy and working out. All of the sudden she got skinny. Then what? She’s an ectomorph? Now, after meeting me, I’ve got her on an even better diet and a more effective training program. Now she’s a mesomorph.

Myself, I was a skinny kid. But I was also very, very active and my mother eats like a bird. As a result I could never eat very much food. However, once I decided to start weight training and eating enough to grow, all of the sudden I started to put on muscle and exhibit mesomorphic characteristics. If I really went to town and ate a really unhealthy diet, decreased my exercise significantly and started partaking in a sedentary lifestyle, I’d most likely start to exhibit endomorphic characteristics.

Yes, I’ll admit that people have different bone structures and shoulder to waist ratios and things like that. And if people want to define phenotypes by things like that, then I can’t really disagree. But, regardless of your bone structure, just about everyone can put muscle or fat (or lose one or both) on their frame.

Finally, my point in the previous post, which seems to have been overlooked, was that it’s not any “harder” for an “ectomorph”. Fuck it being “hard”. Only people who have put up mental barriers to justify their unwillingness to do what needs to be done waste their time labeling any activity as being hard. Everyone deals with “hardship”, that’s life. But those who succeed just do what they need to do and let the weak worry about labeling things as being “hard”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
The fundamental argument you’re presenting, Prof, is “Since I overcame the problem its not really a problem.” Since you started out as an ectomorph and had the resources to eat enough and a fast enough metabolism that you didnt gain ridiculous amounts of fat, you overcame being a hardgainer.

I stand by the fact that, notwithstanding, you nor anyone else has the right to judge someone else for the difficulties they find in whatever endeavor they’re undertaking. What if they cant allow enough of a budget to “eat big”? What if they have a slow metabolism and eating enough to gain muscle means either gaining a ton of fat or having to eat super strict (there’s a big difference between forcing a big mac down your throat and forcing a plate of broccoli)? What if they have an anxiety disorder that causes them to have elevated levels of cortisol, thus hindering muscle growth?

While none of these are excuses as to why someone “cant” do it, they are reasonable points as to why it may be difficult for them to do it. Yes, every problem has a solution, but that doesnt mean the problem doesnt exist.

Dude, I was broke as hell growing up. I didn’t gain ANY weight until I got to college and most of that came from hustling food out of the cafeteria and getting other people to buy me shit. That means it was difficult for me as well. Until I went into the military, I didn’t have any regular income and I still made progress. That is why I don’t care to hear too many sob stories unless someone is truly shit out of luck.

Just because some of us aren’t broke now, it doesn’t mean we haven’t been there. It comes down to how badly you want to make progress. I doubt very many of us have been that financially gifted from the start.[/quote]

Hustling food? As in stealing?

So you stole food and got other people to buy you shit. How inspiring. Really.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< What if they have an anxiety disorder that causes them to have elevated levels of cortisol, thus hindering muscle growth? >>>

You gotta be kiddin with this one.

What if a straggling piece of skylab hits them in their bathtub?

What if a large predatory animal escapes from a nearby zoo and consumes one of their limbs?

What if someone digs up a nude photograph of Barbara Mikulski and leaves them cowering in a padded cell for life?

Come on man, we can talk about this and all the exceptions til the swallows come back to Capistrano and the simple fact will remain that 99 out of every hundred people that show up here complaining about lack of progress are just not working hard enough or eating enough or both.
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Look up the incidence of anxiety disorders in the US, then try to compare it to how often “a large animal escapes from a zoo and attacks someone”. Your post was fucking ridiculous.

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And somebody show me where the fuck I said there was anybody who COULDNT gain mass.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
The fundamental argument you’re presenting, Prof, is “Since I overcame the problem its not really a problem.” Since you started out as an ectomorph and had the resources to eat enough and a fast enough metabolism that you didnt gain ridiculous amounts of fat, you overcame being a hardgainer.

I stand by the fact that, notwithstanding, you nor anyone else has the right to judge someone else for the difficulties they find in whatever endeavor they’re undertaking. What if they cant allow enough of a budget to “eat big”? What if they have a slow metabolism and eating enough to gain muscle means either gaining a ton of fat or having to eat super strict (there’s a big difference between forcing a big mac down your throat and forcing a plate of broccoli)? What if they have an anxiety disorder that causes them to have elevated levels of cortisol, thus hindering muscle growth?

While none of these are excuses as to why someone “cant” do it, they are reasonable points as to why it may be difficult for them to do it. Yes, every problem has a solution, but that doesnt mean the problem doesnt exist.

Dude, I was broke as hell growing up. I didn’t gain ANY weight until I got to college and most of that came from hustling food out of the cafeteria and getting other people to buy me shit. That means it was difficult for me as well. Until I went into the military, I didn’t have any regular income and I still made progress. That is why I don’t care to hear too many sob stories unless someone is truly shit out of luck.

Just because some of us aren’t broke now, it doesn’t mean we haven’t been there. It comes down to how badly you want to make progress. I doubt very many of us have been that financially gifted from the start.

Hustling food? As in stealing?

So you stole food and got other people to buy you shit. How inspiring. Really.
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Wow. You self righteous cunt. I do believe my tuition allowed me some bananas in my backpack. You sound like someone who never had to worry where a meal was going to come from. I bet you never had to rely on Raman noodles for nourishment either, huh?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
The fundamental argument you’re presenting, Prof, is “Since I overcame the problem its not really a problem.” Since you started out as an ectomorph and had the resources to eat enough and a fast enough metabolism that you didnt gain ridiculous amounts of fat, you overcame being a hardgainer.

I stand by the fact that, notwithstanding, you nor anyone else has the right to judge someone else for the difficulties they find in whatever endeavor they’re undertaking. What if they cant allow enough of a budget to “eat big”? What if they have a slow metabolism and eating enough to gain muscle means either gaining a ton of fat or having to eat super strict (there’s a big difference between forcing a big mac down your throat and forcing a plate of broccoli)? What if they have an anxiety disorder that causes them to have elevated levels of cortisol, thus hindering muscle growth?

While none of these are excuses as to why someone “cant” do it, they are reasonable points as to why it may be difficult for them to do it. Yes, every problem has a solution, but that doesnt mean the problem doesnt exist.

Dude, I was broke as hell growing up. I didn’t gain ANY weight until I got to college and most of that came from hustling food out of the cafeteria and getting other people to buy me shit. That means it was difficult for me as well. Until I went into the military, I didn’t have any regular income and I still made progress. That is why I don’t care to hear too many sob stories unless someone is truly shit out of luck.

Just because some of us aren’t broke now, it doesn’t mean we haven’t been there. It comes down to how badly you want to make progress. I doubt very many of us have been that financially gifted from the start.

Hustling food? As in stealing?

So you stole food and got other people to buy you shit. How inspiring. Really.

Wow. You self righteous cunt. I do believe my tuition allowed me some bananas in my backpack. You sound like someone who never had to worry where a meal was going to come from. I bet you never had to rely on Raman noodles for nourishment either, huh?[/quote]

Somebody lock up 99% of all college students in the US quick!
Aramark’s gonna go out of business with all the extra portions going missing.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
The fundamental argument you’re presenting, Prof, is “Since I overcame the problem its not really a problem.” Since you started out as an ectomorph and had the resources to eat enough and a fast enough metabolism that you didnt gain ridiculous amounts of fat, you overcame being a hardgainer.

I stand by the fact that, notwithstanding, you nor anyone else has the right to judge someone else for the difficulties they find in whatever endeavor they’re undertaking. What if they cant allow enough of a budget to “eat big”? What if they have a slow metabolism and eating enough to gain muscle means either gaining a ton of fat or having to eat super strict (there’s a big difference between forcing a big mac down your throat and forcing a plate of broccoli)? What if they have an anxiety disorder that causes them to have elevated levels of cortisol, thus hindering muscle growth?

While none of these are excuses as to why someone “cant” do it, they are reasonable points as to why it may be difficult for them to do it. Yes, every problem has a solution, but that doesnt mean the problem doesnt exist.

Dude, I was broke as hell growing up. I didn’t gain ANY weight until I got to college and most of that came from hustling food out of the cafeteria and getting other people to buy me shit. That means it was difficult for me as well. Until I went into the military, I didn’t have any regular income and I still made progress. That is why I don’t care to hear too many sob stories unless someone is truly shit out of luck.

Just because some of us aren’t broke now, it doesn’t mean we haven’t been there. It comes down to how badly you want to make progress. I doubt very many of us have been that financially gifted from the start.

Hustling food? As in stealing?

So you stole food and got other people to buy you shit. How inspiring. Really.

Wow. You self righteous cunt. I do believe my tuition allowed me some bananas in my backpack. You sound like someone who never had to worry where a meal was going to come from. I bet you never had to rely on Raman noodles for nourishment either, huh?[/quote]

Awww, I’m sorry, wheres that guy with the little violin?

Mr. I Judge Everybody can’t handle it when it gets thrown back at him? How fucking sad.

I bet you overlook the irony of all your bullshit about how you “dont ever wanna hear any pussy ass excuses as to why people dont grow” then admit that you didn’t grow till you had the resources available to you. What about the broke ass people who dont have a reliable place to steal food from?

As to how I grew up, I was raised with two siblings by a single mother under poverty. There were plenty of times when we didnt know if we’d be able to get to school because she couldnt afford gas in the car; I can remember getting yelled at for cooking four eggs for myself because we couldnt afford it. Dont give me any of your shit on that subject, dude, because I know EXACTLY what its like.

But I bet you want people who have never had to consider stealing food to try to be understanding about your postion even though they’ve never been in it, right? Why dont you try doing the same for people who are in situations you’ve never been in?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
The fundamental argument you’re presenting, Prof, is “Since I overcame the problem its not really a problem.” Since you started out as an ectomorph and had the resources to eat enough and a fast enough metabolism that you didnt gain ridiculous amounts of fat, you overcame being a hardgainer.

I stand by the fact that, notwithstanding, you nor anyone else has the right to judge someone else for the difficulties they find in whatever endeavor they’re undertaking. What if they cant allow enough of a budget to “eat big”? What if they have a slow metabolism and eating enough to gain muscle means either gaining a ton of fat or having to eat super strict (there’s a big difference between forcing a big mac down your throat and forcing a plate of broccoli)? What if they have an anxiety disorder that causes them to have elevated levels of cortisol, thus hindering muscle growth?

While none of these are excuses as to why someone “cant” do it, they are reasonable points as to why it may be difficult for them to do it. Yes, every problem has a solution, but that doesnt mean the problem doesnt exist.

Dude, I was broke as hell growing up. I didn’t gain ANY weight until I got to college and most of that came from hustling food out of the cafeteria and getting other people to buy me shit. That means it was difficult for me as well. Until I went into the military, I didn’t have any regular income and I still made progress. That is why I don’t care to hear too many sob stories unless someone is truly shit out of luck.

Just because some of us aren’t broke now, it doesn’t mean we haven’t been there. It comes down to how badly you want to make progress. I doubt very many of us have been that financially gifted from the start.

Hustling food? As in stealing?

So you stole food and got other people to buy you shit. How inspiring. Really.

Wow. You self righteous cunt. I do believe my tuition allowed me some bananas in my backpack. You sound like someone who never had to worry where a meal was going to come from. I bet you never had to rely on Raman noodles for nourishment either, huh?

Awww, I’m sorry, wheres that guy with the little violin?

Mr. I Judge Everybody can’t handle it when it gets thrown back at him? How fucking sad.

I bet you overlook the irony of all your bullshit about how you “dont ever wanna hear any pussy ass excuses as to why people dont grow” then admit that you didn’t grow till you had the resources available to you. What about the broke ass people who dont have a reliable place to steal food from?

As to how I grew up, I was raised with two siblings by a single mother under poverty. There were plenty of times when we didnt know if we’d be able to get to school because she couldnt afford gas in the car; I can remember getting yelled at for cooking four eggs for myself because we couldnt afford it. Dont give me any of your shit on that subject, dude, because I know EXACTLY what its like.

But I bet you want people who have never had to consider stealing food to try to be understanding about your postion even though they’ve never been in it, right? Why dont you try doing the same for people who are in situations you’ve never been in? [/quote]

If someone is truly in poverty, they won’t have home internet access, will they? How many people logging in currently aren’t growing because they live in the projects and literally can’t afford any food?

If someone is truly nearly homeless, why would their concern be BODYBUILDING? Why would someone waste food when their main concern is to survive?

Why the living fuck would someone like that even be on this forum with that goal as a priority?

The only bullshit is coming from your direction.

Someone would have to be insane to put building some muscles over their own survival if they were really living that close to starvation. Most college students are not in that situation, even though times are usually tight for many.

Keep tossing those turds though. Eventually someone will put the trash out.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
If someone is truly in poverty, they won’t have home internet access, will they? How many people logging in currently aren’t growing because they live in the projects and literally can’t afford any food?

If someone is truly nearly homeless, why would their concern be BODYBUILDING? Why would someone waste food when their main concern is to survive?

Why the living fuck would someone like that even be on this forum with that goal as a priority?

The only bullshit is coming from your direction. [/quote]

I brought up being in poverty because you tried to pull the “dont judge me about shit you’ve never been through” card and I handed it right back.

Now this new angle, that “if they can afford to be online, they can afford to eat enough to grow”… we could go back and forth about that. What if they live with thier parents or friends and are using their computer? Etc, etc.

If you want to argue that point, just say so.

But I think the real issue here is the judgemental attitude people (such as yourself) bring to the forum, especially towards others in situations you’ve never been in. But the moment someone judges you for, say, stealing food? How dare they be so self righteous. How dare they indeed.

I wonder how many people would be much bigger if they “never really had to worry about losing weight” because they had a “fast metabolism”.

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…and further, I wrote this above:

[quote]That is why I don’t care to hear too many sob stories unless someone is truly shit out of luck.
[/quote]

Truly shit out of luck would mean someone who literally has no way at all to get any food or even access to a gym or some weights.

There are pictures posted of Africans lifting weights they basically built themselves yet here you are making excuses for people.

If someone has the means AT ALL they will find a way. Obviously, this would not mean someone near death or someone who is actually homeless.

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While I lack the training and dieting experience that most of you have, I am willing to bet the stimulus for growth is an aggregate of training, nutrition and supplementation.

Meaning, if two guys, all else equal physiologically (weight, metabolism, etc), need different caloric intakes to initiate muscle growth (for instance, 3k vs 4k daily), it could potentially be that the individual requiring less calories can use the food more efficiently or is in an anabolic state more of the time, either induced by better training, a different mechanism of training adaptation, or something else.

True?

Meaning, some people can initiate the growth stimulus better with training, while others might need to initiate it calorically, possibly due to how easily their body adapts to training stimulus (thereby rendering it less effective, at least according to a routine similar to the other guy, at initiating growth).

The caloric ‘hardgainer’ might need better training and the training ‘hardgainer’ might just need a better eating schedule.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If someone is truly in poverty, they won’t have home internet access, will they? How many people logging in currently aren’t growing because they live in the projects and literally can’t afford any food?

If someone is truly nearly homeless, why would their concern be BODYBUILDING? Why would someone waste food when their main concern is to survive?

Why the living fuck would someone like that even be on this forum with that goal as a priority?

The only bullshit is coming from your direction.

I brought up being in poverty because you tried to pull the “dont judge me about shit you’ve never been through” card and I handed it right back.

Now this new angle, that “if they can afford to be online, they can afford to eat enough to grow”… we could go back and forth about that. What if they live with thier parents or friends and are using their computer? Etc, etc.

If you want to argue that point, just say so.

But I think the real issue here is the judgemental attitude people (such as yourself) bring to the forum, especially towards others in situations you’ve never been in. But the moment someone judges you for, say, stealing food? How dare they be so self righteous. How dare they indeed.

I wonder how many people would be much bigger if they “never really had to worry about losing weight” because they had a “fast metabolism”. [/quote]

Wow. I had a lot of friends who were really broke growing up and they were the last people I’ve known to get home computers or even regular access to them (usually through their school). You can keep trying to come up with excuses for people all you wish. You, and people who sit around thinking of excuses, will always be the ones making the least progress.

The rest will find a way to get what they want and need if they really want it bad enough. Very rarely will this not be the case. That also goes for project kids who get football scholarships just so they can move out of that situation.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
If you want to argue that point, just say so. [/quote]

No offense, but you can’t keep arguing points individually when each is from a different context. Especially not if the context of the original argument was ever taken into account; then, you’re bound by context and have to consider anything said tongue-in-cheek at face value.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
While I lack the training and dieting experience that most of you have, I am willing to bet the stimulus for growth is an aggregate of training, nutrition and supplementation.

Meaning, if two guys, all else equal physiologically (weight, metabolism, etc), need different caloric intakes to initiate muscle growth (for instance, 3k vs 4k daily), it could potentially be that the individual requiring less calories can use the food more efficiently or is in an anabolic state more of the time, either induced by better training, a different mechanism of training adaptation, or something else.

True?

Meaning, some people can initiate the growth stimulus better with training, while others might need to initiate it calorically, possibly due to how easily their body adapts to training stimulus (thereby rendering it less effective, at least according to a routine similar to the other guy, at initiating growth).

The caloric ‘hardgainer’ might need better training and the training ‘hardgainer’ might just need a better eating schedule.[/quote]

Dont try to reason with anybody on this thread. There is no such thing as a hardgainer and any word to the contrary is “making up excuses”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If someone is truly in poverty, they won’t have home internet access, will they? How many people logging in currently aren’t growing because they live in the projects and literally can’t afford any food?

If someone is truly nearly homeless, why would their concern be BODYBUILDING? Why would someone waste food when their main concern is to survive?

Why the living fuck would someone like that even be on this forum with that goal as a priority?

The only bullshit is coming from your direction.

I brought up being in poverty because you tried to pull the “dont judge me about shit you’ve never been through” card and I handed it right back.

Now this new angle, that “if they can afford to be online, they can afford to eat enough to grow”… we could go back and forth about that. What if they live with thier parents or friends and are using their computer? Etc, etc.

If you want to argue that point, just say so.

But I think the real issue here is the judgemental attitude people (such as yourself) bring to the forum, especially towards others in situations you’ve never been in. But the moment someone judges you for, say, stealing food? How dare they be so self righteous. How dare they indeed.

I wonder how many people would be much bigger if they “never really had to worry about losing weight” because they had a “fast metabolism”.

Wow. I had a lot of friends who were really broke growing up and they were the last people I’ve known to get home computers or even regular access to them (usually through their school). You can keep trying to come up with excuses for people all you wish. You, and people who sit around thinking of excuses, will always be the ones making the least progress.

The rest will find a way to get what they want and need if they really want it bad enough. Very rarely will this not be the case. That also goes for project kids who get football scholarships just so they can move out of that situation.

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Wow. You keep harping on this “excuses” bullshit. Nowhere have I made any excuses for anyone not to reach their goals.

There is a difference between admitting that someone else has a difficulty and being understanding about it and making excuses for them. Get that through your skull.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Wow. You keep harping on this “excuses” bullshit. Nowhere have I made any excuses for anyone not to reach their goals.
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If you aren’t making excuses then why are you worried about someone who believes most hardships can be overcome? If they can be overcome, why would someone use that as an excuse for lack of progress?

You aren’t even making sense. We covered that some people have to work harder than others pages ago, so what the fuck are you arguing? That some have to work harder? Gee, who doesn’t know that?

If someone needs to eat more, then they should eat more. If someone has to train longer, then they should train longer. What does any of that have to do with trying to label yourself as something?

Gawd, you’re an idiot.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Wow. You keep harping on this “excuses” bullshit. Nowhere have I made any excuses for anyone not to reach their goals.

If you aren’t making excuses then why are you worried about someone who believes most hardships can be overcome? If they can be overcome, why would someone use that as an excuse for lack of progress?

You aren’t even making sense. We covered that some people have to work harder than others pages ago, so what the fuck are you arguing? That some have to work harder? Gee, who doesn’t know that?
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Hardgainer = person who has to work harder.

Thread title = Hardgainers Don’t Exist

You now = we covered that some people have to work harder.

Look at those three things and ask yourself if they make any fucking sense whatsoever.

[quote]

If someone needs to eat more, then they should eat more. If someone has to train longer, then they should train longer. What does any of that have to do with trying to label yourself as something?

Gawd, you’re an idiot.[/quote]

The only person in this thread who labled themselves a hardgainer was Zap. Reread the part where he said that since he is a hardgainer, he eats more.

Aw man, I was gonna call you an idiot. Stole the word right from me. Guess you’re used to that.