Prof, you still dont get the difference between (a)someone believing all hardships can be overcome and (b)someone giving a judgemental attitude towards anyone with a hardship while (b2)claiming that a particular hardship doesn’t exist at all.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Hardgainer = person who has to work harder.[/quote]
My last post in this dumbass thread.
We ALL have to work harder than someone else. That would make us ALL hardgainers. If we are ALL hardgainers, then none of us are hardgainers.
The only people who have the right to that title are people with diseases that inhibit muscle growth. If you don’t have one, quit trying to gain sympathy simply because you may need an extra 500cals a day than someone else.
I’m done.
I’m 6’7 and obviously I got disadvantages in comparision to you vertically-challenged bretheren out their when it comes to putting up prodigous ATG squats (Long Term Goal is 2xBW), but make excuses for what obviously I had no hand in?
Forgot that… It just makes reaching your goals that much more rewarding to say “YEA MUTHAF–KAZ I DID IT!” then keep on doing it again and again. Half the fun is the battle … whats the fun in having something handed to ya without having to work for it?
Than who? Your sister’s boyfriend’s cousin? If I used words like that to describe myself with any real meaning it would take a week and a half. “I’m an easygainer compared to my mailman, but compared to my uncle I’m a samegainer. Compared to Johnny Bigtraps over there - I’m a hardgainer”. Is that what that word means when you use it? Of course not. It’s a catchy phrase that has morphed into a blanket excuse for people that don’t want to be honest with themselves or anyone else about why they didn’t reach their original goal.
They should really say “I tried to get big, but I just didn’t have what it takes to put that kind of time and effort into training and eating over a period of years”. But saying “I’m a hardgainer”, well now a days, that just puts a neat little bow on it, doesn’t it?
At first, it was a nice little buzz word to describe skinny dudes still trying but having a tough time. Now…not so much.
[quote]BigKDawg wrote:
I’m 6’7 [/quote]
I’m tempted to say thats tall, but by Professor X’s logic (that anything relative doesnt exist), tall people don’t exist.
Because, hey, since EVERYbody is taller than SOMEbody else, NObody is tall (except for people with gianticsm who are over 8 feet, and those are so rare its not even worth mentioning).
[quote]laster wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Hardgainer = person who has to work harder.
Than who? Your sister’s boyfriend’s cousin? If I used words like that to describe myself with any real meaning it would take a week and a half. “I’m an easygainer compared to my mailman, but compared to my uncle I’m a samegainer. Compared to Johnny Bigtraps over there - I’m a hardgainer”. Is that what that word means when you use it? Of course not. It’s a catchy phrase that has morphed into a blanket excuse for people that don’t want to be honest with themselves or anyone else about why they didn’t reach their original goal.
They should really say “I tried to get big, but I just didn’t have what it takes to put that kind of time and effort into training and eating over a period of years”. But saying “I’m a hardgainer”, well now a days, that just puts a neat little bow on it, doesn’t it?
At first, it was a nice little buzz word to describe skinny dudes still trying but having a tough time. Now…not so much.
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Its a relative term. Like damn near every other word in existance, it can mean something different for everyone.
Yes, there are some people who will abuse it and use it as an excuse.
hardgainers: serious business
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
laster wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Hardgainer = person who has to work harder.
Than who? Your sister’s boyfriend’s cousin? If I used words like that to describe myself with any real meaning it would take a week and a half. “I’m an easygainer compared to my mailman, but compared to my uncle I’m a samegainer. Compared to Johnny Bigtraps over there - I’m a hardgainer”. Is that what that word means when you use it? Of course not. It’s a catchy phrase that has morphed into a blanket excuse for people that don’t want to be honest with themselves or anyone else about why they didn’t reach their original goal.
They should really say “I tried to get big, but I just didn’t have what it takes to put that kind of time and effort into training and eating over a period of years”. But saying “I’m a hardgainer”, well now a days, that just puts a neat little bow on it, doesn’t it?
At first, it was a nice little buzz word to describe skinny dudes still trying but having a tough time. Now…not so much.
Its a relative term. Like damn near every other word in existance, it can mean something different for everyone.
Yes, there are some people who will abuse it and use it as an excuse.
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I agree…and that’s when the trouble started, hence the thread.
Ok boys I think we’ve wrapped it up. See you in the “I ATE A BOWL OF FRUIT LOOPS, ONE AB MISSING” thread.
Oh, and to any mod thats reading this, seeing that level 1 under my name has started to make me and my credit card angry - please check my records. I gotta be a 4 at least. I’m a hardgainer at the levels, apparently.
Couldn’t we agree that a theoretical hardgainer is one with an over abundance of red muscle tissue in comparison to his lack of white, fast twitch muscle? These different genetic makeups do account for how fast one can gain muscle. Not to get Adolf Hitler on anyone here but there are certain races as a whole that generally have a higher genetic make-up of white muscle tissue. I don’t think this should be a surprise to anyone.
It’s no excuse for not workin hard, but the fact is genetics play a huge role on how big one can get, and the truth is most pro Athletes, bodybuilders, powerlifters, wrestlers, etc… are genetic anamolies. I would go as far as to say one can’t become a pro bodybuilder without outstanding, supern genetics, despite how hard one works. Is The term overused? Yes. Is it dangerous to label oneself as one? Not Necessarily.
[quote]laster wrote:
Oh, and to any mod thats reading this, seeing that level 1 under my name has started to make me and my credit card angry - please check my records. I gotta be a 4 at least. I’m a hardgainer at the levels, apparently.
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Quit making excuses and buy more.
If you don’t have the money, just sell your computer and get rid of your internet subscrip- wait scratch that.
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
laster wrote:
Oh, and to any mod thats reading this, seeing that level 1 under my name has started to make me and my credit card angry - please check my records. I gotta be a 4 at least. I’m a hardgainer at the levels, apparently.
Quit making excuses and buy more.
If you don’t have the money, just sell your computer and get rid of your internet subscrip- wait scratch that. [/quote]
You level 4 bastard. You probably bought $40 worth of stuff and you and your good genetics get awarded a level 4. I’ve got the Quicken file to back it up - I should be there with you. How does it feel? Do you find that chicks dig you more since its easier for you?
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its a relative term. Like damn near every other word in existance, it can mean something different for everyone.
Yes, there are some people who will abuse it and use it as an excuse.
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Isn’t this what Professor X was saying?
For my last post in this thread I’ll reiterate. If it ever had any useful constructive meaning the term hardgainer has now made my list of unutterable terms. All I know is my muscles do not grow unless I force them in no uncertain terms with brutally hard work and lots of food. In the presence of those two things they get bigger and stronger. Call that whatever you want. The ol rose by any other name principle.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
For my last post in this thread I’ll reiterate. If it ever had any useful constructive meaning the term hardgainer has now made my list of unutterable terms. All I know is my muscles do not grow unless I force them in no uncertain terms with brutally hard work and lots of food. In the presence of those two things they get bigger and stronger. Call that whatever you want. The ol rose by any other name principle.[/quote]
Doesn’t the ‘hardgainer’ title piss you off? It was probably useful at one time, e.g., when Stuart McRobert used it to convince beginning lifters that they needed to simplify their training and focus on building a big squat, for example, instead of training 6 days a week for 2 hours a day.
But by now, the word has lost all meaning…whenever I hear it or see it in print, I tune out.
Getting big and strong is very hard. If that’s a problem for you there are plenty of other ways to spend your time.
As the creator, I declare this thread is finished, and “hardgainer” shall join the ranks of unutterable words.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
<<< What if they have an anxiety disorder that causes them to have elevated levels of cortisol, thus hindering muscle growth? >>>
You gotta be kiddin with this one.
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I am sure they make a supplement for this 
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
As the creator, I declare this thread is finished, and “hardgainer” shall join the ranks of unutterable words.[/quote]
So shall it be written, so shall it be done.
[quote]kingdpt wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its a relative term. Like damn near every other word in existance, it can mean something different for everyone.
Yes, there are some people who will abuse it and use it as an excuse.
Isn’t this what Professor X was saying?[/quote]
Pretty much. Mr. C&P is becoming very talented at flip flopping in interweb discussions. A common affliction in this day and age.
[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
kingdpt wrote:
CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Its a relative term. Like damn near every other word in existance, it can mean something different for everyone.
Yes, there are some people who will abuse it and use it as an excuse.
Isn’t this what Professor X was saying?
Pretty much. Mr. C&P is becoming very talented at flip flopping in interweb discussions. A common affliction in this day and age.
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No, thats not what Professor X was saying. He was saying that the term “hardgainer” is only ever used as an excuse, that the term is always a negative label, that the term is always detrimental, and that anyone who uses the term is only looking for sympathy (despite another poster using the term to describe themselves and why they eat more when they want to gain weight), and that since gaingin muscle is hard for everyone, we’re all hardgainers and therefore no one is a hardgainer.
There is a difference between saying “This term is sometimes abused” vs “This term is utter bullshit and is only used by people who want to abuse it.”
I have not “flip flopped” at any point in this conversation. My first point, and the one I still stand by, is that “hardgainer” is a relative term and that some people have a harder time than average to gain quality mass.
Check out this video. Pay special attention to Gary Strydom’s section. Notice how many calories he says that he must eat, and that he has a very fast metabolism. But, never once does he say “I’m a hardgainer”.
Being a “hardgainer” is a state of mind, not a physiological state.