Hardgainers Don't Exist

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:

anyway back to prof x, that really is all I’m gonna say on the matter, i refuse to be drawn into a debate about why I’m not gaining, it really has been done to death a million times and I really don’t fancy being bitch slapped. lol
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What debate? You logged on, made some statements that imply you seem to think that you aren’t supposed to stick with a heavier weight until you can get more reps out of it. You claim that all you gain is body fat in spite of only weighing 142lbs.

No offense, but why does someone who has supposedly trained seriously for so many years still need a trainer? If the problem was truly that you simply can not gain muscle, what difference would a trainer make?

Why would you make the earlier statement as if the rest of us DON’T experience a drop in reps the heavier we go?

There is no debate. There is only you and the belief that your lack of gains is NOT the direct result of your own perception of training, the avoidance of lifting heavy weight that provides enough resistance to instigate growth and your own eating habits?

Nothing you wrote makes you sound like a hardgainer.

There are some other terms I could come up with, though.

Then again, it isn’t like you are open to the idea that YOU might need to change. You have made up your mind. Progress isn’t something you even have to worry about now… no matter how BIG you “wannbe”.

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Yea I figured that it was impossible for me to gain weight until I did some reading and had a revelation that My perception of a good workout plan was all wrong and I needed to eat about twice as much. That turned things around pretty fast.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:

anyway back to prof x, that really is all I’m gonna say on the matter, i refuse to be drawn into a debate about why I’m not gaining, it really has been done to death a million times and I really don’t fancy being bitch slapped. lol

What debate? You logged on, made some statements that imply you seem to think that you aren’t supposed to stick with a heavier weight until you can get more reps out of it. You claim that all you gain is body fat in spite of only weighing 142lbs.

No offense, but why does someone who has supposedly trained seriously for so many years still need a trainer? If the problem was truly that you simply can not gain muscle, what difference would a trainer make?

Why would you make the earlier statement as if the rest of us DON’T experience a drop in reps the heavier we go?

There is no debate. There is only you and the belief that your lack of gains is NOT the direct result of your own perception of training, the avoidance of lifting heavy weight that provides enough resistance to instigate growth and your own eating habits?

Nothing you wrote makes you sound like a hardgainer.

There are some other terms I could come up with, though.

Then again, it isn’t like you are open to the idea that YOU might need to change. You have made up your mind. Progress isn’t something you even have to worry about now… no matter how BIG you “wannbe”.[/quote]

I logged on to add a comment about true hardgainers existing - some people’s comments in this thread were laughable and downright ignorant to say the least, but at least there are a couple of people talking sense in this thread.

I do only weigh 142lbs, which is a lot lighter than my heaviest weight of 174lbs.

I seem to think that I’m not supposed to stick with a heavier weight until I can get more reps with it? when did I actually say that? I didn’t… you seem to have a habbit of reading what you want to read, reading what suits you! of course I’ve tried sticking with a weight and getting more reps, I think it’s pretty funny you think that’s something I’ve not already tried.

“No offense, but why does someone who has supposedly trained seriously for so many years still need a trainer?”

erm, because there are people out there who know a lot more than me - what was I supposed to do? I’ve trained using sensible routines, eaten well, tried to progress, failed, used all the advice I’ve been given by ‘the average’

which hasn’t worked for me, so doesnt it make sense to train with someone who has experinece in training extreme hardgainers? I think that’s a logical step to take - don’t you?

“Why would you make the earlier statement as if the rest of us DON’T experience a drop in reps the heavier we go?”

It wasn’t meant to come across that way - all I was implying was that I’ve made very little strength gains and used that as an example…

“Nothing you wrote makes you sound like a hardgainer.”

lol why is that? in fact, that’s the type of comment I’m talking about and the kind of comment that promted me to add to this thread - you don’t honestly believe that… but hey, if that’s your opinion, then that’s faor enough - I know I’m a hardgainer, whether you choose to believe that or not, I really could give one.

I’m fascinated in the way you refuse to believe in the word ‘hardgainer’

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
I seem to think that I’m not supposed to stick with a heavier weight until I can get more reps with it? when did I actually say that?

I didn’t… you seem to have a habbit of reading what you want to read, reading what suits you! of course I’ve tried sticking with a weight and getting more reps, I think it’s pretty funny you think that’s something I’ve not already tried.[/quote]

That isn’t something you “try” and then give up. That is THE way you get stronger and build muscle mass, so why did you only “try” it this way?

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oh for god sake, you are so pedantic it’s untrue lol

well, sticking at the same weight for years constitutes ‘trying it’ okay?! lol

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[quote]djwhizkid wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:

I like going to the gym, I like training.

Well enjoy WANTING to be big then…[/quote]

I think that’s part of the problem. Your screen name reveals alot.

You “want” to be big, but you don’t need to or you won’t “die for it” (literally speaking obviously) in the gym to make gains or with discipline with your eating.

So you’re saying if you got picked to be in Physique Clinic part 2, and you had Thibs training you, and you got free supplements and diet coaching, you wouldn’t gain a single solitary fucking pound of muscle? Or your training weights have peaked?

IOW you have reached your maximum genetic potential? I would say no.

Your attitude about yourself does suck though.

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[quote]djwhizkid wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:

I like going to the gym, I like training.

Well enjoy WANTING to be big then…[/quote]

okay…

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
djwhizkid wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:

I like going to the gym, I like training.

Well enjoy WANTING to be big then…

okay…

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Interesting. I’d say my brother is a hard gainer, especially now that he’s been solid at it for about ten years. So I know one.

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[quote]greekdawg wrote:
djwhizkid wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:

I like going to the gym, I like training.

Well enjoy WANTING to be big then…

I think that’s part of the problem. Your screen name reveals alot.

You “want” to be big, but you don’t need to or you won’t “die for it” (literally speaking obviously) in the gym to make gains or with discipline with your eating.

So you’re saying if you got picked to be in Physique Clinic part 2, and you had Thibs training you, and you got free supplements and diet coaching, you wouldn’t gain a single solitary fucking pound of muscle? Or your training weights have peaked?

IOW you have reached your maximum genetic potential? I would say no.

Your attitude about yourself does suck though.[/quote]

huh?

I do need to… there’s nothing I want more than to be bigger than I currentley am, being skinny sucks…

I never miss a meal and I never miss the gym, unless I’m ill, which is quite rare these days and when I’m in the gym, I go in there to train, not to chat or socialise - I usually go during the day when there’s no one in there just for that reason.

my attitude about myself sucks? and what, you’ve come to that conclusion through reading a couple of my posts? yeah, that’s reaonable, nice one.

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[quote]Elaikases wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
djwhizkid wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:

I like going to the gym, I like training.

Well enjoy WANTING to be big then…

okay…

Interesting. I’d say my brother is a hard gainer, especially now that he’s been solid at it for about ten years. So I know one.

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But hardgainers do not exist, not in this world or the next.

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My way of looking at muscle/strength building is liken to trying to fill a bath tub with water while the drain is open…

You must put as much into the tub as what is draining to get a level of water that is stable… and to increase the level of water in the tub you must put more water into it than what is going out or limit what is draining out… Both would the fastest.

Genetics are the tub (the maximum amount of water-muscle you can have) the Drain is the biological demand on your body… the water going in is your effort and nutrition…

Hardgainers need to put more into the effort and nutrition…

A simple solution is not necessarily a EASY one…

As X said about his calves he puts more effort into them to gain…

Well that is the nature of the Iron… If you want you will pay or do anything to get it… or just were pants cuz your calves are puny…

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Dude, either you have a serious medical condition, or you’re doing something wrong.

Not that I know, but it seems like you don’t really bring any intensity to your training, and have no knowledge on how to progress.

Have your lifts gone up AT ALL sine you started lifting? From your post about decreased reps, my guess is not much. Can you list an exact program you have been following/what you’ve been eating?

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“Dude, either you have a serious medical condition, or you’re doing something wrong.”

according to everyone I’m doing everything right (everyone I’ve taken advice from) but that doesnt mean I am doing it right, clearly something isn’t right and I honestly don’t believe it’s my diet. As for training, well, it could be, but if it is, then what is it I’m doing wrong?

You mentioned intensity - what makes you think my workouts lack intensity?

has anyone here heard of ironaddict?

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
huh?

I do need to… there’s nothing I want more than to be bigger than I currentley am, being skinny sucks…

I never miss a meal and I never miss the gym, unless I’m ill, which is quite rare these days and when I’m in the gym, I go in there to train, not to chat or socialise - I usually go during the day when there’s no one in there just for that reason.
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Dude,

You’re doing something terribly fucking wrong if you haven’t made any reasonable progress in fucking 8 years!!! you can rationalize away all you want and say you have shit genetics and are a “hard-gainer” but those are simply just that: rationalizations.

[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
my attitude about myself sucks?
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Dear God, is it impossible that you MIGHT have a shitty attitude about yourself??? about your approach to training?

IMO its easy to read between the lines and see the way you speak about yourself on here, you talk like a beaten man, a man who has already written himself off years ago due to “bad genetics” and is simply going through the motions.

Yes, God forbid YOU could actually be the damned problem. Not your genetics, not your diet, not your training (although I seriously wonder how hard you train and eat right if in 8 years no gains) but you and your poor attitude-the way you approach training and the way you see yourself.

[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
and what, you’ve come to that conclusion through reading a couple of my posts? yeah, that’s reaonable, nice one.
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Excuse me, my apologies. There could be nothing wrong withyou and your attitude. I’ll let you go back to the genetics argument and everything will be fine.

You have a winning attitude and I see it’s working out great for you. We’ll speak again in the next 8 years of great progress you are making there. Carry on.

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:

You mentioned intensity - what makes you think my workouts lack intensity?

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The fact that you had no idea about weight/rep progression kind of gave me that impression, I could be wrong. Its kind of easy to figure out if you’re giving it a good effort consistently.

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[quote]Defekt wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:

You mentioned intensity - what makes you think my workouts lack intensity?

The fact that you had no idea about weight/rep progression kind of gave me that impression, I could be wrong. Its kind of easy to figure out if you’re giving it a good effort consistently. [/quote]

christ - I type one little comment, meant nothing by it, just to use it as some kind of an example of how my training has gone and everyone jumps on it and accuses me of not knowing how to progress - I know how to progress, I’ve just been unable to progress so far.

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
Defekt wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:

You mentioned intensity - what makes you think my workouts lack intensity?

The fact that you had no idea about weight/rep progression kind of gave me that impression, I could be wrong. Its kind of easy to figure out if you’re giving it a good effort consistently.

christ - I type one little comment, meant nothing by it, just to use it as some kind of an example of how my training has gone and everyone jumps on it and accuses me of not knowing how to progress - I know how to progress, I’ve just been unable to progress so far.

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Well, can you please list your training/diet for atleast the last 6 months to year so that we can tell you where youre going wrong?

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[quote]greekdawg wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
huh?

I do need to… there’s nothing I want more than to be bigger than I currentley am, being skinny sucks…

I never miss a meal and I never miss the gym, unless I’m ill, which is quite rare these days and when I’m in the gym, I go in there to train, not to chat or socialise - I usually go during the day when there’s no one in there just for that reason.

Dude,

You’re doing something terribly fucking wrong if you haven’t made any reasonable progress in fucking 8 years!!! you can rationalize away all you want and say you have shit genetics and are a “hard-gainer” but those are simply just that: rationalizations.

wannbeBIG wrote:
my attitude about myself sucks?

Dear God, is it impossible that you MIGHT have a shitty attitude about yourself??? about your approach to training?

IMO its easy to read between the lines and see the way you speak about yourself on here, you talk like a beaten man, a man who has already written himself off years ago due to “bad genetics” and is simply going through the motions.

Yes, God forbid YOU could actually be the damned problem. Not your genetics, not your diet, not your training (although I seriously wonder how hard you train and eat right if in 8 years no gains) but you and your poor attitude-the way you approach training and the way you see yourself.

wannbeBIG wrote:
and what, you’ve come to that conclusion through reading a couple of my posts? yeah, that’s reaonable, nice one.

Excuse me, my apologies. There could be nothing wrong withyou and your attitude. I’ll let you go back to the genetics argument and everything will be fine.

You have a winning attitude and I see it’s working out great for you. We’ll speak again in the next 8 years of great progress you are making there. Carry on.[/quote]

Right, I’ve read back through my posts and the only attitude I see is the one where I’m little hacked off at the people claiming ‘hardgainer’s don’t exist’ - yes, I’m whining at those who just brush it off and say “you arent trying hard enough or you eat like a girl” - yeah, I’m whining at that and I have a right too.

I’ve trained for 8 years with little results, what do you want and what do you expect? you expect me to be jumping for joy and shouting about my success from the rooftops?

I don’t sound a beaten man, maybe a frustrated one… I’ll tell you what I am though - I’m fcking determined to get to where I want to be - how many other people would have persisted for this long with no results? don’t I get some points for that at least?

I go to the gym confident that i will make some kind of progress, sure I’m pissed off as hell when I leave, but those feelings go shortly and then I’m concentrating on other things. by the time I’m next in the gym, the frustration has gone and I’m again focussing on trying to progress.

and I accept your apology.

time for my next meal.

cheers.

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have any of youheard of ironadict?

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[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
have any of youheard of ironadict?[/quote]

where you can’t stop ironing your clothes? Well at least your shirt is pressed if not filled out…