lol
[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
“Dude, either you have a serious medical condition, or you’re doing something wrong.”
according to everyone I’m doing everything right (everyone I’ve taken advice from) but that doesnt mean I am doing it right, clearly something isn’t right and I honestly don’t believe it’s my diet. As for training, well, it could be, but if it is, then what is it I’m doing wrong?
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training 2x a week is wrong and definitely not optimal for anyone, and i haven’t seen what your diet looks like.
[quote]wannbeBIG wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
wannbeBIG wrote:
huh?
I do need to… there’s nothing I want more than to be bigger than I currentley am, being skinny sucks…
I never miss a meal and I never miss the gym, unless I’m ill, which is quite rare these days and when I’m in the gym, I go in there to train, not to chat or socialise - I usually go during the day when there’s no one in there just for that reason.
Dude,
You’re doing something terribly fucking wrong if you haven’t made any reasonable progress in fucking 8 years!!! you can rationalize away all you want and say you have shit genetics and are a “hard-gainer” but those are simply just that: rationalizations.
wannbeBIG wrote:
my attitude about myself sucks?
Dear God, is it impossible that you MIGHT have a shitty attitude about yourself??? about your approach to training?
IMO its easy to read between the lines and see the way you speak about yourself on here, you talk like a beaten man, a man who has already written himself off years ago due to “bad genetics” and is simply going through the motions.
Yes, God forbid YOU could actually be the damned problem. Not your genetics, not your diet, not your training (although I seriously wonder how hard you train and eat right if in 8 years no gains) but you and your poor attitude-the way you approach training and the way you see yourself.
wannbeBIG wrote:
and what, you’ve come to that conclusion through reading a couple of my posts? yeah, that’s reaonable, nice one.
Excuse me, my apologies. There could be nothing wrong withyou and your attitude. I’ll let you go back to the genetics argument and everything will be fine.
You have a winning attitude and I see it’s working out great for you. We’ll speak again in the next 8 years of great progress you are making there. Carry on.
Right, I’ve read back through my posts and the only attitude I see is the one where I’m little hacked off at the people claiming ‘hardgainer’s don’t exist’ - yes, I’m whining at those who just brush it off and say “you arent trying hard enough or you eat like a girl” - yeah, I’m whining at that and I have a right too.
I’ve trained for 8 years with little results, what do you want and what do you expect? you expect me to be jumping for joy and shouting about my success from the rooftops?
I don’t sound a beaten man, maybe a frustrated one… I’ll tell you what I am though - I’m fcking determined to get to where I want to be - how many other people would have persisted for this long with no results? don’t I get some points for that at least?
I go to the gym confident that i will make some kind of progress, sure I’m pissed off as hell when I leave, but those feelings go shortly and then I’m concentrating on other things. by the time I’m next in the gym, the frustration has gone and I’m again focussing on trying to progress.
and I accept your apology.
time for my next meal.
cheers.
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If you couldn’t tell, I was joking with the apology. I stand by my comments: you are doing something terribly, terribly wrong after 8 years with no results. It seems like you don’t want to change or really want help, you’d rather complain and chock it up to being a “hard-gainer” so I’ll let you enjoy the pity-party.
I’m a hardgainer.
I gain fat and it’s hard to get rid of.
Yeah I have heard of Iron Addict. Great guy and very knowledgeable.
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?
If nothing is working, take steroids - lol.
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?[/quote]
And post typical food intake per day for seven days. Until you start logging it I find it hard to believe you eat more than a 6 year old girl.
Lol @ going to the gym twice a week and going “man I wish I was swole”.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Der Candy wrote:
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?
And post typical food intake per day for seven days. Until you start logging it I find it hard to believe you eat more than a 6 year old girl.
Lol @ going to the gym twice a week and going “man I wish I was swole”.[/quote]
Don’t diss 2-times per week programs. While it is too little work for most people, for some few out there, it can be exactly what they need. The name of Iron Addict has been mentioned on this thread, and if you read up on his programs he often uses a lot of low volume/low frequency programs on people who think they are hardgainers.
Low frequency programs have their place sometimes.
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
Yeah I have heard of Iron Addict. Great guy and very knowledgeable.
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?
If nothing is working, take steroids - lol.[/quote]
believe he mentioned in another that that he already has.
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Der Candy wrote:
Yeah I have heard of Iron Addict. Great guy and very knowledgeable.
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?
If nothing is working, take steroids - lol.
believe he mentioned in another that that he already has.[/quote]
Please tell me you’re joking.
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
Der Candy wrote:
Yeah I have heard of Iron Addict. Great guy and very knowledgeable.
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?
If nothing is working, take steroids - lol.
believe he mentioned in another that that he already has.
Please tell me you’re joking.[/quote]
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1415508
And wannbeBIG I haven’t mentioned this before, but you was over 170lbs before, and ‘cut’ (i.e - starved yourself) down to 128, could it be possible that you have some self image issues about the amount of fat your body has? have you ever posted pics of yourself?
read that post
just give up…
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
Der Candy wrote:
Yeah I have heard of Iron Addict. Great guy and very knowledgeable.
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?
If nothing is working, take steroids - lol.
believe he mentioned in another that that he already has.
Please tell me you’re joking.
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1415508
And wannbeBIG I haven’t mentioned this before, but you was over 170lbs before, and ‘cut’ (i.e - starved yourself) down to 128, could it be possible that you have some self image issues about the amount of fat your body has? have you ever posted pics of yourself?[/quote]
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
Don’t diss 2-times per week programs. While it is too little work for most people, for some few out there, it can be exactly what they need. The name of Iron Addict has been mentioned on this thread, and if you read up on his programs he often uses a lot of low volume/low frequency programs on people who think they are hardgainers.
Low frequency programs have their place sometimes.[/quote]
Hey, it probably will work for some people. But if you’ve been training that long with no results… maybe try something else?
It all boils down to some people need to eat more than other people (assuming the intensity and recovery are there).
Where is the line drawn to make someone a “hard gainer” ?
Person A, may need 3,000 calories a day to grow, while person B needs 4500 calories a day to grow.
It may be tougher to gain weight, but both people are capable.
I don’t know this Wannabebig guy.
I do know that ANY non diseased person who has been training for 8 years should have gained 30-60 solid pounds if they are over 16 and under 40 years of age.
2 things I’ve noticed while reading the recent pages in this thread.
1, I don’t take this guy to be lazy or a dumbass as much as that’s possible to determine over the internet and he says he’s eating enough to gain fat so that should cover at least some lean gains.
2, he appears to have drive. 8 years would seem to confirm this.
The only conclusion one can reach is that of all the things this guy is likely to be good at, and I’m sure there are some, it does not seem that weight training is one of them.
That doesn’t mean you should eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you die, but if you can’t connect enough with your own body in that amount of time to put on a readily noticeable amount of lean mass, true bigness MAY not be in your future.
I honestly mean no insult or even disrespect by this, really, but you are spinning your wheels and driving yourself to distraction over this. Maybe a GOOD trainer would help after all.
People are naturally inclined to different things and I’m certain you have abilities that would make a good number of us jealous. Little gains in 8 years, EVEN WITH SOME GEAR, can’t bode well for your natural inclination in the bodybuilding game.
I don’t know of a way to be any nicer or more diplomatic in saying this. Even assuming everything I’ve just said is true, I hope you don’t give up and maybe some help with a serious trainer who knows what ball busting bodybuilding training looks like would help. Clearly, going it alone is not working.
The USA is the “fattest” country in the world. No hardgainers here! Maybe in some under developed nations you’ll find a hardgainer!
[quote]yogaroots wrote:
The USA is the “fattest” country in the world. No hardgainers here! Maybe in some under developed nations you’ll find a hardgainer![/quote]
i’m pretty sure Australia has us beat, or at least coming close 
we can’t even be #1 at this any more 
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
i’m pretty sure Australia has us beat, or at least coming close we can’t even be #1 at this any more :D[/quote]
Losers.
[quote]Der Candy wrote:
Yeah I have heard of Iron Addict. Great guy and very knowledgeable.
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?
If nothing is working, take steroids - lol.[/quote]
okay, you’ve heard of him - well he’s been training me for the last 18 months.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Der Candy wrote:
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?
And post typical food intake per day for seven days. Until you start logging it I find it hard to believe you eat more than a 6 year old girl.
Lol @ going to the gym twice a week and going “man I wish I was swole”.[/quote]
lol @ you
[quote]greekdawg wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
Der Candy wrote:
Yeah I have heard of Iron Addict. Great guy and very knowledgeable.
wannbeBIG: what programs and styles of training have you been doing this past 8 years?
If nothing is working, take steroids - lol.
believe he mentioned in another that that he already has.
Please tell me you’re joking.[/quote]
No joking at all - frustration got the better of me and I did a few cycles, yes I was wrong in doing so but I’m off the gear and it will remain that way.
I gained some slight strength but no noticeable muscle.