Let’s pretend these exist, lol.
Would any of the below methods better suit a Hardgainer or a Easygainer?
Train at max effort or near max, any rep scheme the same muscle daily for several days, or the same exercise or muscle every other day for a month.
Any takers for it would better suit nethier?
You’ve just made your thread irrelevant. If they don’t exist, then it’s a moot point.
It is best to not address this as an “either, or.” It is best to view this as a normal distribution curve. At one end of the curve lie those that gain doing most anything considered as resistance training, even if it is as unconventional as labor. At the other end of the curve lie those that can’t buy a gain, regardless of what they try. And everyone else in between those extremes, with various levels of ability to gain.
And that is the punchline of your post.
The easygainer has the advantage both physically and psychologically.
He gains doing most any program plus he get continuous positive reinforcement. He is more motivated to get back into the gym and make more “expected” gains.
Conversely, the very hardgainer is disadvantaged both physically and psychologically. He makes little if any gains regardless of the program and rarely any positive reinforcement. He must push himself or be totally committed to head back into the gym, hoping against hope that a nugget of a gain can be found there.
Yeah, let’s pretend there are easygainers and hardgainers. I suppose that you just don’t like the labels. How would you like “winners” and “wanna bees”?
The method you’re laying out is pretty Specific. High frequency, near max intensity, small exercise selection. Any one of those factors could theoretically cause trouble and make the program un-doable for most lifters.
Even easy gainer guys with great genes. Yates couldn’t handle that frequency. Haney couldn’t take that intensity. Even low volume, big on basics Menztger had a bigger exercise selection.
You would need the right mental and physical make up to even do the training for a month. Like really Specific genetics.
And then on top of those specific genetics you could also be an “easy” or “hard” gainer. Or maybe a high responder or a low responder.
This sort of training style sounds a little like the mythical Bulgarian Weightlifter routine. Daily maxes on a couple lifts 6 days a week.
Some guys can do it and survive and progress to Olympic gold medal status. Like Bulgarian lifters.
Some guys can do it and survive and progress to really good but not great lifts. Like you tube level guys.
Which, if they did do it, was not done for long periods of time and certainly not by beginners.
When you were a little kid and you raced your neighbor down the street, did you run as fast as you could? Like max effort?
Somehow you survived.
Well, I am for sure what RT would call a hardgainer. I did the typical bro splits pyramid style and small gains.
I did a more hard gainer style focusing only on compound movements and got small strength gains.
In the past 2-years I’ve found hitting the same muscles daily or every other day has worked for me better than the above.
In fact I will train a lagging area every day and get steady progress.
That is not what I’ve read to be what a hardgainer should do???
@FlatsFarmer you might be thinking too specifically here.
I’m more so saying do a normal routine with plenty of volume and hit all groups but pick specific groups to hit more often.
But I didn’t say that, but it’s kinda what I mean.
The Chinese lifters actually did this as teenagers in training to become future lifting champs.
They would do maximum pulls (like deadlifts) until the back rounded along with max clean pulls etc.
If you read what I wrote and you understand the normal distribution curve, you will understand that where you lie on the curve is the “degree” of hardgainer that you are.
From your description alone I don’t know what “degree” of hardgainer that you are. If I saw you lifting weights for a few months I would better evaluate where I would place you on the curve (not that I would be correct; just my opinion made from observation.)
You could lie close to the mean. I don’t know.
One of God’s own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die
@RT_Nomad i got my first set of weights around age 11, shortly after gym class weight training.
I immediately noticed hardness all over me but I was not strong, everyone of my peers could out bench me. The only people I was stronger than were the nerds but even some of those kids could knock out some chins.
My legs responded to the leg extension and leg ham curls.
But again I couldn’t get any growth in upper body, just hardness.
I’m pretty sure it’s cause I lived off of canned corn and the only meat I ate was chicken nuggets or drum sticks.
Red meat I was disgusted by. I ate pasta and butter instead of meat sauce , which I believe even with a good intuitive training can still grow.
I was fascinated by the movie pumping iron.
Then I lost my way and became a pot smoking cigarette smoking hippy.
I did ride a mountain bike while smoking joints and Newports which put mass back on my quads.
I did grow easier in the quads.
I do believe lifting as a youth will be a factor in tremendously great gains when the hormones are coming in. I believe once you miss that window everyone will struggle with gains. Of course figuring something out for you will help you gain faster.
But I didn’t turn into Usain Bolt.
I’m sure that’s all they did.
It’s probably safe to say, you aren’t training it very hard if that’s the case.
So, you are trying to prove that you can make muscle gains with the worst possible protein intake? Looks like you are a slave to your taste buds.
You could be more of a stubborn learner than a hardgainer.
If everyone trained like they were a hardgainer, there would be no hardgainers.
@RT_Nomad i didn’t know how to train was the problem, 10s 10s 10s maybe some fails on the bench trying to bench what my friends did.
As I said, I was fascinated by the movie pumping iron but clueless on how I could ever get big muscles. I looked at that as an impossibly for me.