And I’ll wager with you, that there’s plenty of people who say, “Is it so hard to be thorough?” I’d even go so far as to say, that’s it’s necessary concerning the art of argument. Should it be necessary? Not sure.
But I’ll tell you what I told my mom: No. We shouldn’t have to do stuff like that, but we shouldn’t have to do a lot of things in life. But we do, because? That’s life. And that’s why it’s rather important to be inclusive, because outside of ourselves, there’s millions of other individuals who process stuff completely differently than we do. That’s doesn’t mean it should be viewed as a chore, because then that’s just operating in the self-centered realm.
You’d be surprised, there’s quite a few individuals who speak EXACTLY like how they type. And this same thing occurs between spoken interactions. Only it happens a hell of a lot quicker, and there’s no medium to freeze the spoken words and examine what’s actually being said. I’d say it’s even MORE crucial to be that cognizant when speaking than writing/typing.
@BrickHead, this is exactly what I would have said, and I would have added that men can be hypergamous not only in terms of monetary gain, but also when they do the “trophy wife” thing. Which of course some women do as well, though less often. Still, where there’s the money for it, e.g. Hollywood, women will have strings of ever-younger men floating around in their pools. Personally, I find the idea completely depressing. I like the idea of aging with someone who is aging along with me. Of sharing that process.
I don’t want to have to pretend I’m anything I’m not, and I don’t want that from someone else, either.
I agree, though I think ideally there’s a strong male influence along with a strong female influence, and both offer their perspectives. By “strong female,” I mean clear-headed and wise, not male-hating. I believe (perhaps mistakenly, who knows) that in comparison to my kids’ dad, I’m more likely to offer good financial advice and to push integrity. He’s more emotional/reactive, and tends to prioritize feeling good in the moment. He’s not a bad person and I know they value us both, but I suspect I fill some of the traditional “dad” role for them, along with being where they come with their heartbreaks. I sort of subscribe to “whoever shows up” and hope it will be everyone. So in my ideal world a kid has a father who brings kindness and integrity along with a mother who exemplifies gentle compassion. But I think it’s okay if there’s an imbalance or if the values are switched around. Just as long as kindness and integrity and gentleness and compassion all show up somehow. And discipline. And consistency. (lol)
Jokes on you I’ve gotten a date a few months ago. Don’t you have better things to do. Get back to work and get off my case. I just said the meme is dead.
I mean I’m sure we could fall back on things like dishwashers vs manual or clothes washers vs creek/stones or something… but damn.
Efficiency is kinda my thing. Less than an hour a day just seems hella impressive. Maybe when I didn’t have kids and a house. I bet I averaged sub 1hr/day back when I lived in a 1bed apt with no responsibilities.
Have you ever done laundry, washing dishes and drying, etc, by hand???
In 1900, the average household spent 58 hours a week on housework, including meal preparation, laundry, and cleaning—a figure that dropped to 18 hours in 1975. At the same time, the number of paid domestic workers declined, presumably due, in part, to the labor-saving nature of household appliances. Hence, the time spent on the more onerous household chores declined considerably.
To understand the impact this had on the home, try to imagine the tyranny of household chores in 1890, when only 24 percent of houses had running water and none had central heating. Each year, the average household lugged around seven tons of coal and 9,000 gallons of water
Laundry was a major operation. Though mechanical washing machines were available as early as 1869, this invention really took off only with the development of the electric motor. In 1900, 98 percent of households still used a 12-cent scrub board to wash their clothes. Water had to be transported to the stove to be heated by burning wood or coal. Clean clothes were rinsed and wrung out by hand or using a mechanical wringer, hung to dry, then ironed using heavy flatirons heated continuously on the stove.
The actual amount of time freed by modern appliances is somewhat speculative. Controlled engineering studies documenting time saved on a specific task by use of a particular machine would be ideal. Unfortunately, these studies are hard to come by—although there was one such study in 1945-1946 of 12 farm wives comparing time spent doing laundry by hand versus using electrical equipment. The women also wore pedometers.
The researchers reported on one subject, Mrs. Verett, in detail. Without electricity, she did her laundry in the manner described above, though using a gas-powered washing machine instead of a scrub board. A 38-pound load of laundry took her about four hours to wash and another 4.5 to iron. After electrification, Mrs. Verett had an electric washer, dryer, and iron, as well as a water system with a heater; it took 41 minutes to do a similar load and 1.75 hours to iron it. The woman walked 3,181 feet to do the laundry by hand, and only 332 feet with electrical equipment. She walked 3,122 feet when ironing the old way, and 333 the new way.
I wonder if this economist is an incel. Must be, right T Nation?
You guys are a fucking riot I swear. Appliances don’t cut down significant time spent on chores hahahhahha my lord.
He’s still here, even after being banned (wrongly of course), still being mis-treated by the mods, because nobody in his real life wants to hear his opinions, or gives a shit about them. Powerless in real life, has everyone dancing on his strings here LOL.
Hell, I’m losin a big chunk just on making dinner and various lunchprep. Add in homework time with the kids and we’re easily at an hour a day with 0 other chores.
What I’d give for the free time I’d find with a sub 1hr a day list of shit to do.
Yes I have. Grew up very, very poor at times. Why? Do you see doing dishes by hand as some sort of hardship?
I see washing them, putting them in a machine and using a bunch more energy, soap and water as a giant waste. Just wash em, dry them, and put them away for fucks sake!
Also had 3 brothers and one sister to share the chores with.
In my grandparents time (if you want to talk about way back when) there were 13 and 14 kids to spread the work out over.
Of course they lived in an entirely different scale of standards of living, and there have been some good arguments made that the technological and economic changes which have taken place over the last century render comparison of modern times with a century ago invalid.
