Hammer Strength Shoulder Press

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
If your shoulder is weak because of impingement, broomstick stretches are far better for fixing the problem then using this machine as a crutch. [/quote]

personally I don’t think it’s a crutch. It allows you to lift safely without possibly causing more injury. i.e. when you see kids first do barbell bench press and the bar is going up at a 45’ angle lulz with the strong arm locked and the other arm lagging way behind. I’ve seen newbs nearly fall off the flat bench doing that a few times. [/quote]

Dumbells are not barbells.

Dumbells also allow you to lift safely because the weakest link in your kinetic chain is the limiting factor. With HS machines, that’s not the case.

Youre wrong to think that HS machines are less likely to cause injury than dumbells. That may be true if youre talking about direct injuries that occur in the gym, but using HS machines on already unbalanced muscles can further weaken the weakest links, you see where this is going.

And who said the OP had an injury in the first place? A muscle/strength imbalance is definitely not an injury. But it can become one if not addressed.

Trust me when I say this. If you have a lagging muscle group, the last thing you want to do is make a certain movement easier. HS machines should be used by people who are keen to proper lifting motions. This is learned through the use of free weights.

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well that may be in your case, or whatever. IN MY CASE where my shoulder had a lack of mobility, dumbbells or barbells had EQUAL possibility of causing injury due to the lack of strength and mobility. Who the fuk are you to tell me I"m wrong about what causes and injury or doesn’t?? I had severe shoulder pain when I first started out with DUMBBELLS, and switched to HS Strength machines for the first little while until my strength and coordination built up from my baseball injury.

When the OP mentioned his one arm was weaker, I assumed it cuz it happened to me, WHICH I STATED!! Maybe you need to read a few more lines before shooting your mouth off and telling me I"m wrong about things that I’ve done. [/quote]

Your lack of mobility should have been fixed through mobility work, such as broom stick stretches.

You insist on talking about your baseball injury. No where in the OP is there mention of an injury.

Specifically, what was said, is that there is a strength imbalance. The fastest and safest way to fix that is with movements that allow complete freedom in the range of motion.

When you learn to speak proper english maybe it will be easier to take you seriously. Your e-rage is embarrassing. [/quote]

it is surprising to me that you can’t put 2 and 2 together. I’d suggest you actually read those posts a lil more carefully before commenting. I said MY STRENGTH IMBALANCE was caused by a baseball injury, and what I did to overcome it without damaging it any further. Now I gave the OP a reason as to why I used the machine. Whether you agree to it or not, and want to advise him on whatever whimisical routine you’ve imagined up, then go for it. But to comment and say I’m wrong for a idealogy that I used to break through MY sticking point is totally ludicrous, and somewhat delusional I might add.
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What injury does the OP have?

Then ask yourself how your advice applies, in any way shape or form, to the OPs situation.

Your ideology may not be wrong necessarily, but your application of it sure is. [/quote]

wow are you for real, or is there a language barrier here. serious…

OP has a strength imbalance, wants to use machine

I had a strength imbalance, caused by an injury/overuse, used the machine with good results and responded to how it benefited me.

THE COMMON DENOMINATOR IS THAT WE BOTH HAD A STRENGTH IMBALANCE!!! The injury I had has fuck all to do with anything, I mentioned it as to WHY I HAD THE STRENGTH IMBALANCE. I want to know where the fuck I said

‘if you have an injury, only use hammer strength machines’

fuk you need to learn to read and comprehend what others write a little more carefully.

the troll is strong with you and your buddies wow.

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So let’s get a recap

Youre a 40 year old man(?)

You suffered at baseball injury as a youth, possibly at age 11.

You used HS machines to help your injury cause strength imbalance, some 20 years later as HS machines have been around for less than 15 years.

You are now recommending that OP take the same approach as you to fix a problem not caused by an injury, let alone an a decade old injury.

Good work man. But dont you have an internet porn subscription to renew or something? Why are you wasting your time here?

Btw, calling people trolls who clearly arent is a little bland. Try harder.

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Bonez so how do you feel about the machine itself? Its something not worth doing until you’re more advanced or what?

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[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
Bonez so how do you feel about the machine itself? Its something not worth doing until you’re more advanced or what?
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I think it’s fine as an ancillary movement. But yes, in general, HS machines should be used by more advanced lifters.

My guideline is usually this

Get proficient with dumbells, when applicable.

Move onto to barbells rather soon after that.

Slowly add in HS equipment to refine specific areas

Use machines for very particular reasons.

When the time comes, youll recognize the need to change things.

The above information is magnified 10x for athletes.

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OP listen to BONEZ217 he is one of the more experienced, knowledgeable lifters on this forum.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
So let’s get a recap

Youre a 40 year old man(?)

You suffered at baseball injury as a youth, possibly at age 11.

You used HS machines to help your injury cause strength imbalance, some 20 years later as HS machines have been around for less than 15 years.

You are now recommending that OP take the same approach as you to fix a problem not caused by an injury, let alone an a decade old injury.

Btw, calling people trolls who clearly arent is a little bland. Try harder. [/quote]

wow again, this is fukn hilarious. You keep arguing a fact that’s irrelevant, I’d say that is trolling. I’ll spoon feed you once again, as you did get some of it right this time.

you keep putting emphasis on my injury, caused by repetitive movement. Is this a hurdle for you to understand really? What the fuck difference would it make if I had tied one hand behind my back for 15 years. The point is I had a strength imbalance from one arm to another, which the OP said he has too.

I mentioned I used the machine that he wants to use to help me overcome it. What is it that you can’t take? Seriously? Is it the fact that he dismissed the broomstick stretch theory? I’m not sure what you’re trying to get out of this really lol.

Maybe I need to put it in more blatant terms

CAUSE AND EFFECT

OP plays sports has strength imbalance. Cause = playing sports, effect = imbalance

I played sports acquire RMD (better spell this out for you Repetitive Movement Disorder, read up on it you may learn something today after all) HAD a strength imbalance. Cause = sport, effect = an imbalance.

I lol at you trying to put a timeline on things and assume shit to find some loophole in my argument. This is some pretty desperate stuff from a guy who seems like he’s trying to back track his way into discrediting me. My training history/timeline is totally irrelevant, but it seems like great importance to you, so I’ll feed the troll, just because.

I’ve been weight training on and off for 16 years (@ 24 circa 1995, since your obsessed with my age and dates, and your attempted C.S.I. math and assumptions are way off lulz, I had been in a weight room earlier, but I wouldn’t count it as weight training really) with a couple of 1 year, or slightly more gaps off. (I’ll have to scrounge up my old training journals, so you can sleep well tonight) Some was voluntary, some was injury/pain/mobility related.

Will put this in easy terms for you to understand. My strength imbalance (forget why there was a strength imbalance to begin with, just concentrate on the fact that I had a strength imbalance. I repeat, concentrate on the fact that I had a strength imbalance, was a deterrent from me using dumbbells at the start for the bad ROM caused by the strength imbalance.

So much so that this ROM would cause pain at times, hence why I stopped (why should I keep doing a movement that will impinge my ability to earn a living the next day or week??) Overhead presses were a rare movement in my routine due to this until the day I USED A HAMMER STRENGTH MACHINE. Now I know this may seem utterly impossible to you, but it is what happened!!!

A year or so later, when there wasn’t as much of a muscle imbalance, and less likelihood that I would have poor ROM due to strength imbalance issues, get this, I fukn used dumbbells again. Later on I’d have the same issues when I would go way too heavy on barbell flat bench, which is why (believe it or not) I stopped doing them too. But you won’t be satisfied until whatever point you’re trying to prove is proven. Pretty sad.

I’m thinkin’ my original answer to the OP should of been

OP, for no particular rhyme or reason, my opinion is it’s ok to use the hammer strength machine. I won’t tell you why but just take my word for it.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
Bonez so how do you feel about the machine itself? Its something not worth doing until you’re more advanced or what?
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My guideline is usually this

Get proficient with dumbells, when applicable.

Move onto to barbells rather soon after that.

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when applicable, the award for back track of the year goes to???

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

A year or so later, when there wasn’t as much of a muscle imbalance, and less likelihood that I would have poor ROM due to strength imbalance issues, get this, I fukn used dumbbells again. Later on I’d have the same issues when I would go way too heavy on barbell flat bench, which is why (believe it or not) I stopped doing them too.

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Sorry to hear that you dont understand your own body.

You wouldnt have had the barbell bench press issues had you fixed the problem instead of using machines as a crutch to provide a temporary fix while masking the underlying issue. You arent understanding a critical issue here.

Youre using your single experience, that isnt even on point to the issue OP is discussing, and presenting that as an authoritative answer to the problem. To put that in internet meme speak, so you can understand, you reek of fail.

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
Bonez so how do you feel about the machine itself? Its something not worth doing until you’re more advanced or what?
[/quote]

My guideline is usually this

Get proficient with dumbells, when applicable.

Move onto to barbells rather soon after that.

[/quote]

when applicable, the award for back track of the year goes to???
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Youre too ignorant to comprehend that what that means is that dumbells arent applicable for all excercises. For example, there is no reason to attempt deadlifts with dumbells prior to using a barbell. Deadlifts are designed to be done with a barbell.

Anything else youre hazy on?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

A year or so later, when there wasn’t as much of a muscle imbalance, and less likelihood that I would have poor ROM due to strength imbalance issues, get this, I fukn used dumbbells again. Later on I’d have the same issues when I would go way too heavy on barbell flat bench, which is why (believe it or not) I stopped doing them too.

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Sorry to hear that you dont understand your own body.

You wouldnt have had the barbell bench press issues had you fixed the problem instead of using machines as a crutch to provide a temporary fix while masking the underlying issue. You arent understanding a critical issue here.

Youre using your single experience, that isnt even on point to the issue OP is discussing, and presenting that as an authoritative answer to the problem. To put that in internet meme speak, so you can understand, you reek of fail.

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lulz, and now you are a self professed expert of other people’s body. too fukn hilarious.

and again, you totally don’t see the point. This is what reeks of total fail. you didn’t concentrate on the muscle imbalance part huh, even though i wrote it down twice. pity, as I do you.

would of been nice if you actually looked up RMD, but my guess is that internet porn subscription you so described earlier was really for you. (wouldn’t mind a free password though) lulz

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
Bonez so how do you feel about the machine itself? Its something not worth doing until you’re more advanced or what?
[/quote]

My guideline is usually this

Get proficient with dumbells, when applicable.

Move onto to barbells rather soon after that.

[/quote]

when applicable, the award for back track of the year goes to???
[/quote]

Youre too ignorant to comprehend that what that means is that dumbells arent applicable for all excercises. For example, there is no reason to attempt deadlifts with dumbells prior to using a barbell. Deadlifts are designed to be done with a barbell.

Anything else youre hazy on?

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not only do you get the award for back track of the year, you also the the award for best supporting back track of the year. Cheers, I’ve been trolled enough…

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Who pays for internet porn?

Xvideos is the shizzles…fo rizzles bizzles

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Is this for real :open_mouth:

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
So let’s get a recap

Youre a 40 year old man(?)

You suffered at baseball injury as a youth, possibly at age 11.

You used HS machines to help your injury cause strength imbalance, some 20 years later as HS machines have been around for less than 15 years.

You are now recommending that OP take the same approach as you to fix a problem not caused by an injury, let alone an a decade old injury.

Good work man. But dont you have an internet porn subscription to renew or something? Why are you wasting your time here?

Btw, calling people trolls who clearly arent is a little bland. Try harder. [/quote]

This is a quality thread. Do 40 year old men use “lulz”???

OP: Stick to the DBs. Listen to Bonez.

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[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Do 40 year old men use “lulz”???[/quote]

Sometimes.

Sometimes they LOL or LMAO – always in all caps – which always gives me the impression that they are shouting their laughs in my face.

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First of all, this thread is awesome.

Secondly, is xXxjlo really 40?

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he has said he is. I’m thinking more 14 than 40.