Hammer Strength Shoulder Press

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
If your shoulder is weak because of impingement, broomstick stretches are far better for fixing the problem then using this machine as a crutch. [/quote]

personally I don’t think it’s a crutch. It allows you to lift safely without possibly causing more injury. i.e. when you see kids first do barbell bench press and the bar is going up at a 45’ angle lulz with the strong arm locked and the other arm lagging way behind. I’ve seen newbs nearly fall off the flat bench doing that a few times. [/quote]

Dumbells are not barbells.

Dumbells also allow you to lift safely because the weakest link in your kinetic chain is the limiting factor. With HS machines, that’s not the case.

Youre wrong to think that HS machines are less likely to cause injury than dumbells. That may be true if youre talking about direct injuries that occur in the gym, but using HS machines on already unbalanced muscles can further weaken the weakest links, you see where this is going.

And who said the OP had an injury in the first place? A muscle/strength imbalance is definitely not an injury. But it can become one if not addressed.

Trust me when I say this. If you have a lagging muscle group, the last thing you want to do is make a certain movement easier. HS machines should be used by people who are keen to proper lifting motions. This is learned through the use of free weights.

edited[/quote]

well that may be in your case, or whatever. IN MY CASE where my shoulder had a lack of mobility, dumbbells or barbells had EQUAL possibility of causing injury due to the lack of strength and mobility. Who the fuk are you to tell me I"m wrong about what causes and injury or doesn’t?? I had severe shoulder pain when I first started out with DUMBBELLS, and switched to HS Strength machines for the first little while until my strength and coordination built up from my baseball injury.

When the OP mentioned his one arm was weaker, I assumed it cuz it happened to me, WHICH I STATED!! Maybe you need to read a few more lines before shooting your mouth off and telling me I"m wrong about things that I’ve done.

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bonez, don’t feed the troll. beans already called him out in the trap help thread.

OP, I hope you know who to listen to.

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[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
bonez, don’t feed the troll. beans already called him out in the trap help thread.

OP, I hope you know who to listen to.[/quote]

I don’t lol. To me both of them seem to know what they are talking about and i don’t really visit these forums frequently to know.

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listen to bonez.

a quick glance through photos of both users should be all the confirmation you need.

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[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
listen to bonez.

a quick glance through photos of both users should be all the confirmation you need.[/quote]

I just went and read that entire thread…what a freaking gold mine.

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[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
bonez, don’t feed the troll. beans already called him out in the trap help thread.

OP, I hope you know who to listen to.[/quote]

awwwe you mad?? yeah u mad

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
listen to bonez.

a quick glance through photos of both users should be all the confirmation you need.[/quote]

lulz at you thinking I’d take offense to that comment?? bwahahahaha srs. If you truly believe what you just said there, then you must also think nobody on this forum should listen to a word you say?? nom’ sayin’???

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
It’s a good machine. I can definitely use it even when my shoulder isn’t feeling the best, so I think it’s a good option.[/quote]

lulz, you said the same thing I did and didn’t get any flack. I’m guessing some of the others are a lil butthurt that their mancrush tried to troll me, and was snubbed.

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
bonez, don’t feed the troll. beans already called him out in the trap help thread.

OP, I hope you know who to listen to.[/quote]

awwwe you mad?? yeah u mad

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
listen to bonez.

a quick glance through photos of both users should be all the confirmation you need.[/quote]

lulz at you thinking I’d take offense to that comment?? bwahahahaha srs. If you truly believe what you just said there, then you must also think nobody on this forum should listen to a word you say?? nom’ sayin’??? [/quote]

Are you actually a 40 year old man? You sound like an 11 year old.

Or is all the ‘text talk’ just your attempt to handle a midlife crisis?

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
If your shoulder is weak because of impingement, broomstick stretches are far better for fixing the problem then using this machine as a crutch. [/quote]

personally I don’t think it’s a crutch. It allows you to lift safely without possibly causing more injury. i.e. when you see kids first do barbell bench press and the bar is going up at a 45’ angle lulz with the strong arm locked and the other arm lagging way behind. I’ve seen newbs nearly fall off the flat bench doing that a few times. [/quote]

Dumbells are not barbells.

Dumbells also allow you to lift safely because the weakest link in your kinetic chain is the limiting factor. With HS machines, that’s not the case.

Youre wrong to think that HS machines are less likely to cause injury than dumbells. That may be true if youre talking about direct injuries that occur in the gym, but using HS machines on already unbalanced muscles can further weaken the weakest links, you see where this is going.

And who said the OP had an injury in the first place? A muscle/strength imbalance is definitely not an injury. But it can become one if not addressed.

Trust me when I say this. If you have a lagging muscle group, the last thing you want to do is make a certain movement easier. HS machines should be used by people who are keen to proper lifting motions. This is learned through the use of free weights.

edited[/quote]

well that may be in your case, or whatever. IN MY CASE where my shoulder had a lack of mobility, dumbbells or barbells had EQUAL possibility of causing injury due to the lack of strength and mobility. Who the fuk are you to tell me I"m wrong about what causes and injury or doesn’t?? I had severe shoulder pain when I first started out with DUMBBELLS, and switched to HS Strength machines for the first little while until my strength and coordination built up from my baseball injury.

When the OP mentioned his one arm was weaker, I assumed it cuz it happened to me, WHICH I STATED!! Maybe you need to read a few more lines before shooting your mouth off and telling me I"m wrong about things that I’ve done. [/quote]

Your lack of mobility should have been fixed through mobility work, such as broom stick stretches.

You insist on talking about your baseball injury. No where in the OP is there mention of an injury.

Specifically, what was said, is that there is a strength imbalance. The fastest and safest way to fix that is with movements that allow complete freedom in the range of motion.

When you learn to speak proper english maybe it will be easier to take you seriously. Your e-rage is embarrassing.

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
It’s a good machine. I can definitely use it even when my shoulder isn’t feeling the best, so I think it’s a good option.[/quote]

lulz, you said the same thing I did and didn’t get any flack. I’m guessing some of the others are a lil butthurt that their mancrush tried to troll me, and was snubbed.[/quote]

You got called out on some bullshit because you addressed me first.

You disagreed with something I said and I explained why you were wrong.

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[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
bonez, don’t feed the troll. beans already called him out in the trap help thread.
[/quote]

Yeah I didnt see that thread.

I was wondering why this clown freaked out so quick.

It really just sucks for the people who dont know better and think a guy like this actually knows what he’s talking about.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
bonez, don’t feed the troll. beans already called him out in the trap help thread.
[/quote]

Yeah I didnt see that thread.

I was wondering why this clown freaked out so quick.

It really just sucks for the people who dont know better and think a guy like this actually knows what he’s talking about. [/quote]

that’s why it’s important for you and the other Alphas/Brotherhood/experienced members to keep an eye on the boards, at least until we have some process for removing trolls.

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[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
bonez, don’t feed the troll. beans already called him out in the trap help thread.
[/quote]

Yeah I didnt see that thread.

I was wondering why this clown freaked out so quick.

It really just sucks for the people who dont know better and think a guy like this actually knows what he’s talking about. [/quote]

that’s why it’s important for you and the other Alphas/Brotherhood/experienced members to keep an eye on the boards, at least until we have some process for removing trolls.
[/quote]

Eh this guy probably isnt a troll. Just a delusional weirdo with a grudge.

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oh man… look through the trap help thread. he must have a grudge against the world.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Is Supreme Overlord Mark Ripptoe going to yell at you if employ the slightest bit of free will?
[/quote]
LOL!

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Dumbbells are superior, ESPECIALLY if you have imbalances.

There are so many stabilizer muscles that dont get hit from HS machines. I experienced a massive stregth dropoff when I moved from incline dumbell press (for chest), to HS iso incline press during my baseball season. [/quote]

x2 did that joker in the vid talk about strengthening lower back and abdominal muscles while sitting down on a machine?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
If your shoulder is weak because of impingement, broomstick stretches are far better for fixing the problem then using this machine as a crutch. [/quote]

personally I don’t think it’s a crutch. It allows you to lift safely without possibly causing more injury. i.e. when you see kids first do barbell bench press and the bar is going up at a 45’ angle lulz with the strong arm locked and the other arm lagging way behind. I’ve seen newbs nearly fall off the flat bench doing that a few times. [/quote]

Dumbells are not barbells.

Dumbells also allow you to lift safely because the weakest link in your kinetic chain is the limiting factor. With HS machines, that’s not the case.

Youre wrong to think that HS machines are less likely to cause injury than dumbells. That may be true if youre talking about direct injuries that occur in the gym, but using HS machines on already unbalanced muscles can further weaken the weakest links, you see where this is going.

And who said the OP had an injury in the first place? A muscle/strength imbalance is definitely not an injury. But it can become one if not addressed.

Trust me when I say this. If you have a lagging muscle group, the last thing you want to do is make a certain movement easier. HS machines should be used by people who are keen to proper lifting motions. This is learned through the use of free weights.

edited[/quote]

well that may be in your case, or whatever. IN MY CASE where my shoulder had a lack of mobility, dumbbells or barbells had EQUAL possibility of causing injury due to the lack of strength and mobility. Who the fuk are you to tell me I"m wrong about what causes and injury or doesn’t?? I had severe shoulder pain when I first started out with DUMBBELLS, and switched to HS Strength machines for the first little while until my strength and coordination built up from my baseball injury.

When the OP mentioned his one arm was weaker, I assumed it cuz it happened to me, WHICH I STATED!! Maybe you need to read a few more lines before shooting your mouth off and telling me I"m wrong about things that I’ve done. [/quote]

Your lack of mobility should have been fixed through mobility work, such as broom stick stretches.

You insist on talking about your baseball injury. No where in the OP is there mention of an injury.

Specifically, what was said, is that there is a strength imbalance. The fastest and safest way to fix that is with movements that allow complete freedom in the range of motion.

When you learn to speak proper english maybe it will be easier to take you seriously. Your e-rage is embarrassing. [/quote]

it is surprising to me that you can’t put 2 and 2 together. I’d suggest you actually read those posts a lil more carefully before commenting. I said MY STRENGTH IMBALANCE was caused by a baseball injury, and what I did to overcome it without damaging it any further. Now I gave the OP a reason as to why I used the machine. Whether you agree to it or not, and want to advise him on whatever whimisical routine you’ve imagined up, then go for it. But to comment and say I’m wrong for a idealogy that I used to break through MY sticking point is totally ludicrous, and somewhat delusional I might add.

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[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
bonez, don’t feed the troll. beans already called him out in the trap help thread.
[/quote]

Yeah I didnt see that thread.

I was wondering why this clown freaked out so quick.

It really just sucks for the people who dont know better and think a guy like this actually knows what he’s talking about. [/quote]

that’s why it’s important for you and the other Alphas/Brotherhood/experienced members to keep an eye on the boards, at least until we have some process for removing trolls.
[/quote]

really hard for me not to comment back on the stupidity of your posts, but this circle jerk troll patrol you seem to think you’re a part of is getting tiresome to respond to…

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
If your shoulder is weak because of impingement, broomstick stretches are far better for fixing the problem then using this machine as a crutch. [/quote]

personally I don’t think it’s a crutch. It allows you to lift safely without possibly causing more injury. i.e. when you see kids first do barbell bench press and the bar is going up at a 45’ angle lulz with the strong arm locked and the other arm lagging way behind. I’ve seen newbs nearly fall off the flat bench doing that a few times. [/quote]

Dumbells are not barbells.

Dumbells also allow you to lift safely because the weakest link in your kinetic chain is the limiting factor. With HS machines, that’s not the case.

Youre wrong to think that HS machines are less likely to cause injury than dumbells. That may be true if youre talking about direct injuries that occur in the gym, but using HS machines on already unbalanced muscles can further weaken the weakest links, you see where this is going.

And who said the OP had an injury in the first place? A muscle/strength imbalance is definitely not an injury. But it can become one if not addressed.

Trust me when I say this. If you have a lagging muscle group, the last thing you want to do is make a certain movement easier. HS machines should be used by people who are keen to proper lifting motions. This is learned through the use of free weights.

edited[/quote]

well that may be in your case, or whatever. IN MY CASE where my shoulder had a lack of mobility, dumbbells or barbells had EQUAL possibility of causing injury due to the lack of strength and mobility. Who the fuk are you to tell me I"m wrong about what causes and injury or doesn’t?? I had severe shoulder pain when I first started out with DUMBBELLS, and switched to HS Strength machines for the first little while until my strength and coordination built up from my baseball injury.

When the OP mentioned his one arm was weaker, I assumed it cuz it happened to me, WHICH I STATED!! Maybe you need to read a few more lines before shooting your mouth off and telling me I"m wrong about things that I’ve done. [/quote]

Your lack of mobility should have been fixed through mobility work, such as broom stick stretches.

You insist on talking about your baseball injury. No where in the OP is there mention of an injury.

Specifically, what was said, is that there is a strength imbalance. The fastest and safest way to fix that is with movements that allow complete freedom in the range of motion.

When you learn to speak proper english maybe it will be easier to take you seriously. Your e-rage is embarrassing. [/quote]

it is surprising to me that you can’t put 2 and 2 together. I’d suggest you actually read those posts a lil more carefully before commenting. I said MY STRENGTH IMBALANCE was caused by a baseball injury, and what I did to overcome it without damaging it any further. Now I gave the OP a reason as to why I used the machine. Whether you agree to it or not, and want to advise him on whatever whimisical routine you’ve imagined up, then go for it. But to comment and say I’m wrong for a idealogy that I used to break through MY sticking point is totally ludicrous, and somewhat delusional I might add.
[/quote]

What injury does the OP have?

Then ask yourself how your advice applies, in any way shape or form, to the OPs situation.

Your ideology may not be wrong necessarily, but your application of it sure is.

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[quote]xXxJoKeRxXx wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]fr0IVIan wrote:
bonez, don’t feed the troll. beans already called him out in the trap help thread.
[/quote]

Yeah I didnt see that thread.

I was wondering why this clown freaked out so quick.

It really just sucks for the people who dont know better and think a guy like this actually knows what he’s talking about. [/quote]

that’s why it’s important for you and the other Alphas/Brotherhood/experienced members to keep an eye on the boards, at least until we have some process for removing trolls.
[/quote]

really hard for me not to comment back on the stupidity of your posts, but this circle jerk troll patrol you seem to think you’re a part of is getting tiresome to respond to…[/quote]

Yes, we know it’s difficult for you to gather your 30 word thoughts and express them in coherent English. Do yourself a favor and call it a day.