[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
Hanley, dont bother lol… [/quote]
Hahaha I just can’t let things like that go. I think I heard Ed Coan shed a tear at the post like.
Lets just talk about your awesome avatar!!
probably my next avatar if i can get the original image or do it myself lol
It is tough to put a gymnastics team into an organized s&c program because they are all hurt all the time, so many coaches probably don’t bother. Imagine trying to train 20 girls nursing 20 different injuries in a limited amount of time. Not an easy task.
I have never worked with a gymnastics team but I’ve heard it sucks.
The one-armed keg stand is hilarious. I wonder if he can actually balance up there or if it is just of a split second. Great party trick nonetheless.
all they need is a bowflex with power rod technology.
No, its all about the bioforce.
http://www.bioforcetnt.com/BIOFORCEVIDEO.html
Eric Lichter’s TNT program will get you the results you need.
http://www.bioforcetnt.com/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=bf/story.html?article=3196&src=EL
dizam that shit gets you jacked up… i’m sold
i want people to go “ouch” when they feel my cheek bones… that would be sick.
If this was actually a question and not a rant, I think this would be the answer.
^fuck you for adding to my “to buy” list.
asshole 
Don’t buy that piece of shit book bro.
It is the same as everyother weight training for, piece of shit published.
Ive browsed that book and every all the others in the series.
It is about 200 pages of the same material in each one and then 20 pages of gymnastics shit you can get off the internet.
I might be wrong, but I have a bias against it, after I browsed two and saw the same info in almsot the whole thing.
Anyways, an open question, does anyone else admire gymnastics like I do?
If so do you want to share resources on how to work on gymnastics techniques?
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=512003
Both of these links talk about how gymnastics itself is weight training.
One thing strength training can do for gymnasts is to teach their CNS to recruit all muscle fibres. Other than that, I can’t think of any other benefits strength training can do. Gymnastics is such a movement-specialized sport. Practicing the moves are essential. There simply is little time left for strength training, lest you run the risk of overreaching.
[quote]2274 wrote:
One thing strength training can do for gymnasts is to teach their CNS to recruit all muscle fibres. [/quote]
Not better than the specialized movements within gymnastics used to promote strength.
A lot of the skills are pure strength… there are specialized ways to train them. The mistake that everyone seems to be making is thinking that gymnastics ISN"T strength training or doens’t have inherent strength training techniques within their conditioning.
i have no idea where everyone gets the idea that they just do a lot of pullups pushups and dips.
i’ll say it again…
rather than using weights they put their body in leveraged positions that cause as strength disadvantage, sometimes this can be moved through a range and sometimes it is just to be held for time until another even more difficult position can be held.
Male gymnasts can routinely bench 2x bodyweight and pull 2.5x bodyweight with EASE and without prior training.
Their motor unit recruitment is so sick its stupid, their relative strength is probably the greatest in the world of athletics… why the hell do we assume that they need to start hitting the iron and shit? why is that in our shortsighted view the only way to increase strength?
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
2274 wrote:
One thing strength training can do for gymnasts is to teach their CNS to recruit all muscle fibres.
Not better than the specialized movements within gymnastics used to promote strength.
Other than that, I can’t think of any other benefits strength training can do. Gymnastics is such a movement-specialized sport. Practicing the moves are essential. There simply is little time left for strength training, lest you run the risk of overreaching.
A lot of the skills are pure strength… there are specialized ways to train them. The mistake that everyone seems to be making is thinking that gymnastics ISN"T strength training or doens’t have inherent strength training techniques within their conditioning.
i have no idea where everyone gets the idea that they just do a lot of pullups pushups and dips.
i’ll say it again…
rather than using weights they put their body in leveraged positions that cause as strength disadvantage, sometimes this can be moved through a range and sometimes it is just to be held for time until another even more difficult position can be held.
Male gymnasts can routinely bench 2x bodyweight and pull 2.5x bodyweight with EASE and without prior training.
Their motor unit recruitment is so sick its stupid, their relative strength is probably the greatest in the world of athletics… why the hell do we assume that they need to start hitting the iron and shit? why is that in our shortsighted view the only way to increase strength?
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Agreed. Gymnasts would not benefit much from traditional weight training because their training already IS weight training in many regards and yields all the same benefits and others besides that are necessary for their sport. It’s different than other sports where strength and conditioning is important because the sports REQUIRE strength but don’t necessarily build strength. Gymnastics builds strength.
[quote]adarqui wrote:
dizam that shit gets you jacked up… i’m sold
i want people to go “ouch” when they feel my cheek bones… that would be sick.
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very funny. I was expecting something huge I got this skinny shit instead. LOL
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Agreed. Gymnasts would not benefit much from traditional weight training because their training already IS weight training in many regards and yields all the same benefits and others besides that are necessary for their sport. It’s different than other sports where strength and conditioning is important because the sports REQUIRE strength but don’t necessarily build strength. Gymnastics builds strength.[/quote]
Exactly my point. To be clear, by “strength training” I meant traditional strength training. Gymnastics most certainly require and build strength.
[quote]Xen Nova wrote:
…Male gymnasts can routinely bench 2x bodyweight and pull 2.5x bodyweight with EASE and without prior training…
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I can easily see 2x bw for bench and I can see the back and grip strength needed for 2.5x bw DL but I can’t see the glute or ham strength for DL without ANY prior training. But I dont know much about gymnasts and I’m probably missing something. I could do all types of bw training and not be able to see myself just walk into a weightroom and DL 2.5x bw.
Let’s say said male gymnast weighs 160lbs. That’s 400lbs on the guys 1st DL ever… There’s no doubt in my mind gymnasts are ungodly strong but I just cant wrap my mind around a 400lb DL. Like I said… I dont know gymnasts… I’ve been wrong before… you do the math.
What type of training do they go through exactly, since it doesn’t seem to be the conventional “pump iron” method.
Could some one post a (more detailed) example? If anything, know a website that shows the different training stuff they do?
I’d be interested in adding it to my training.
imagine being able to bust out 20 pistols with a weighted vest on, thats the kind shit they do for lower body… i made a post on another thread with links about gymnastics training ill copy and paste over here
…un momento
You’d be surprised how strong pistols make you…
How strong is it possible to become with bodyweight exercises? Amazingly strong. In fact I would go so far as to say, done correctly, far stronger than someone who had trained for the same amount of time with free weights. Want some concrete examples? One of my former students, JJ Gregory (1993 Junior National Champion on the Still Rings) developed such a high degree of strength from my bodyweight conditioning program that on his first day in his high school weightlifting class he deadlifted 400lbs., and this at the scale breaking weight of 135 lbs. and a height of 5’3.
http://www.amgym.com/tt/index_163.cfm
http://www.powerathletesmag.com/archives/eight/gymnastics.htm
This might also be educational. Note the year of publication in the URL:
http://www.usa-gymnastics.org/publications/technique/1996/8/strength-training.html