I’m willing to die for my morals, beliefs, and principles. When the time comes to fight for what you believe in, consequences mean nothing.
You have definitely got to be in that situation before you can judge.
Is the guy with anyone else? Are there any other onlookers around who look like they might jump in to help? How big is he?
If you make that assessment and are willing to risk getting involved to do what you feel is right, then go for it.
Just calling the bloke out or asking the woman something rhetorical ‘are you alright miss?’ may get him to stop, it will certainly give you more information to go on. It maybe that he pulls a knife or worse a gun. She may tell you to fuck off! But at least you didn’t run in and find out the hard way. If you’re not big then you could just ‘verbally’ engage him whilst staying a safe distance.
If you reckon you’re strong enough, tough enough, big enough then you’ll more likely be in a position to physically deal with the situation. Only you can make that call.
Personally I probably would have got involved, but if the guy had a mate or two with him then probably not. Certainly if it had happened in certain boroughs of London where alot of guys are packing then no way would i even contemplate getting involved.
Is it also a crime to witness someone witnessing a crime and doing nothing, and doing nothing?
Mook,
First of all each state has their own set of “Penal Laws.” However, I have never heard of any state that, by law, forces a citizen to act when witnessing a crime. I know it is against the law for an off duty Police Officer to witness any sort of crime and do nothing.
However, the average man does not have that duty to act. He may “retreat to protect his own safety.”
In the United States, at least, it is not a crime to witness a crime and to nothing. It may be a crime to not report the crime under some circumstances, but only if you are assisting to conceal the it. This is known as “misprision of felony.” A bystander, as a general rule, would not be prosecuted under this doctrine.
By the way, just to clarify the historical record, the beating and murder in NYC witnessed by at least 38 people, but reported by none, was the murder of Catherine “Kitty” Genovese, which took place in Queens in 1964. You can read about it here: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/kitty_genovese/
Porkchop
Is it illegal to the witness illegal inaction of someone illegaly witnessing witnesses of an illegal inaction?
I don’t know about being Idealistic. I never was one for labeling things or people. As far as consequences go, That is laughable. How can you say the consequences for doing the right thing will ever be more severe than for not doing the right thing? Everything in this existance isn’t physical. I would far rather die doing something honorable than to wake up the next morning read the paper and find out that an escaped unarmed mental patient snapped a ladys neck in the street and then took her baby who was off to the side and out of view and threw it into traffic. To learn that I had the power to intervene and did nothing. That would be a very serious consequence. It’s all hypothetical but so are all you’re fears of getting beaten or stabbed or shot so what the hell. It’s just as likely that you whip the guys ass, the chick is eternally grateful, and takes you home and bangs you for 3 hours straight. With her twin sister. Guess i’m just a glass half full type of guy though.
Vegita,
Don’t know your age or much else about you, but I would guess you are not out of your 20’s, or married with children of your own.
I am for intervention under the proper circumstances as my very first post on this thread will indicate. However, where is the heroism if you intervene in a situation that does not lend itself to an easy story book resolution, (pimp/whore sado relationship etc)-Instead it lends itself to your immediate demise?
Is it a good idea to be a dead hero to your young son? Who may cry himself to sleep each night, and now can only dream about the things you used to share?
Is it smart to be a dead hero to your grieving wife? She may sit alone for a long time trying to come to terms as to why you intervened in a situation, which has now been revealed as going on for years in this manner.
I am all for doing the right thing. The key lies first in knowing which is the right thing to do!
a couple yrs ago a girl about 12 or younger was raped and killed by a college student and another was with him
and did nothing, watching a crime happening is not a crime but (morally)
can you live with it? this boy did and justified it despite every other person
said you should have helped her…
far as i’m concerened he’ a shit and no
person should look twice at this guy…
just my 2 cents…
Barton
ZEB,
I am in my mid 20’s and have a significant other and a dughter. And for me I would much rather die a hero than live with my fanily so they can have a coward for a father/husband. I am not one to pick and choose when/where I will act the way I feel is right. I simply act that way all of the time regardless of if it suits my individual needs or my family’s needs at that given time. I do not fear death, nor anything for that matter. It seems it is a difference of one’s values, you look at the value of your family above that of anothers. I see all people as my family and would gladly die for any regardless of blood ties.
Peace
Vegita,
It is not a matter of me being afraid to face death. I have faced death on a few occasions, have you? The older you get the more you recognize your own mortality. Dying is not the problem, leaving a family to fend for themselves, and children to grow without a father, is the problem!
Just because “you” are not afraid to die does not mean that you would not be placing your wife and children in great pain by doing so. Is that heroic? I think not.
It’s a little to black and white to state that “I would rather die a hero than live the rest of my life as a coward.” What is a coward? If you call the Police are you a coward? If you rally a few guys together and step in as a group are you a coward? If you wait a few seconds, or minutes, depending on the situation, are you a coward? I think not. It’s called using your head, common sense.
Interestingly enough “I would rather die a hero than live as a coward” also denotes a certain selfishness, in that your feeling like a “coward” must take prcedent over the welfare of your immediate family.
I guess that’s why they draft young males into the military-There is a sort of false sense of security that comes with youth.
About two years ago, one of my good friend was in the exact same position as the guy who started this thread. Exept he went and beat the guy silly…guess what happened!?
The girl that was gettin the beating pressed charges on my friend. Yeah you heard me right…the bitch went to court and said my friend assaulted her boyfriend.
So my friend had to do community service for some time.
The moral of this story: Let the bitch get the beating of her life, and if she’s a little smart she won’t get involved with the same kind of lowlives.
And if she doesn’t, well… she deserves every beating coming her way!
The RETARD
The name fits you Retard. However, even not being one of the world’s gifted intellects does not give you the right to say that some woman would deserve a beating for falling in love with the wrong guy. You are one sick chicken shit. You are a perfect example for the need to reinstate forced lobotomies. What if it had been your mother taking the beating? It shouldn’t make any difference in your warped little mind. I suggest you visit a women’s shelter over the holidays and rethink your position.
Ouch!
Those were not very nice things you said. But It’s the holidays…so merry x-mas to you too.
About my name: You have no idea how much it fits me!!
Secondly, those women you are talking about made the choice of becoming victims, which , on an evolutionnary standpoint, makes absolutly no sense. Your argument with the falling in love crap does not hold. Love is not magic, it’s a choice…you choose to “love” somebody.
And try to stay polite if you reply this time around.
The RETARD
Vegita,
No one should “gladly” die for anyone.
People who are so eager to be heroes, usually fuck everything up.
But good to know you’re out there…I’ll gladly let you die in place of me in a triumphant act of heroism.
RETARD, “love” is not a choice at all, staying with the person you love IS a choice however. When you see a hot women, do you think to yourself, “Hmmm, let’s see. This girl has a cute little heart shaped ass, and nice perky tits, along with a beautiful smile. I think I’m going to be attracted to her now.”? No, of course not, you just become attracted instantly, no decision involved. Well, love is just a very strong form of attraction.
THREEPAC: About your interpretation of love - I beg to differ.
The way you present it, I get the feeling you mix lust (or fuckable-or-not switch than take a nanosecond in hetero`s normally functionning brains) with love.
But, hey, your mileage may differ.
In my case, somewhere, I guess the brain has something to say in the process.
Love is very much like a thermometer in synch with your values/character/wants. The more a babe has what you find important and/or dream about, the more chances you will fall in love with here (I put chances in quotes to leave some leeway, I see it as direct correlation).
This takes in no way the bangable part of the equation. In fact, it potentiates it. Take 100 playmates that you would lust equally for physically. I am sure that, unless you are a harem-style guy, the only one (or maybe two) you`d fall in love with would be different of the others because of her brain/mind/character.
Somewhere, brains count.
Just my too-taxed 2 cents.
Retard, seeing where you are from, I realize it must be a genetic or old country type of inherited or learned behavior and that I was out of line. Intererstingly, the Ogawananbi tribe of NE Burkina Faso have the attitude toward women and, in fact, a man’s prowess is not measured by the length of his noodle but the amount of blood on his hands. Live and let live. Happy New Year!
avoid roids
retard and everyone else on here has a point, we’ve seen about 4 post from people how have helped woman in that situation or have had their friends help woman in that situation, each and everyone started to attack the guy or pressed charges on them, how many post have we seen where the poster goes up and kicks his ass then the girl goes and fucks him silly? Not many,for good reason, these bitches ARE like that, their in these abusive relationships becuase well, they’re stupid bitches. “HE HITS ME BECUASE HE LOVES ME” these girls getting beat on in public are very rarely classy woman
Avoid Roids
Your childlike innocence is kinda refreshing…i mean from having do deal with grown ups all the time. So keep that naive state of mind …it’ll do you good someday, I hope.
Wish you happy holidays
The RETARD