Gotta Love Max Charles

Professor_X · October 6, 2010, 4:59pm

[quote]BrianW wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]BrianW wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]BrianW wrote:
About two minutes before he says he deadlifts 1000lbs he states that he only uses a ROM that allows him to feel the targeted muscle working, and that he almost always uses partial reps. And then people are dumb enough to think he meant a full rom deadlift?
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Sigh, you’re small. Stop talking.

TO quote you, “almost always.”

DEADLIFT IS NOT A PARTIAL ROM LIFT NOOBCAKES![/quote]

Do you go around your gym telling people they didn’t lift to powerlifting guidelines, and that they suck? He’s not competing, so stop getting so annoyed that he’s bigger and stronger than you and accept that he was talking about a partial rom. And you ignored my point about the lat pulldown, probably because you can’t argue against it.

you’re smaller than charles, so stop talking way.
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You are fucking retarded.

Bro, it’s not even that big a deal. Just accept that this guy is full of shit and move on. Partial Lat Pulldown? Who cares, but when you claim bigger lifts than people who actually have them when you clearly don’t is a slap in the face to those who accomplished them. This dudes dumb, we even have an eye witness in here who trains at the same gym as Max and says he hasn’t lifted remotely close to anything he’s claimed.

Anyone in here defending him is dumb, this has nothing to do with the physique he has, it has everything to do with the lies he says. I’m not going to lose sleep over something I know he can’t do, but what annoys me is a few of you defending someone who is clearly lying and calling other people retarded, jokes on you.[/quote]

I’m retarded? I’m not applying powerlifting rulings to gym lifts. And I really doubt Andy Bolton is as butthurt about this guys lifts as you and waylander have been. if anyone is at fault here its probably Palumbo for not asking what sort of rom was involved, but maybe he’s smart enough to understand that when a guy says he uses partial rom on ALL HIS LIFTS he probably means his deadlift too. [/quote]

No, Polumbo knew exactly what he was doing. Max even said that the last time he mentioned lifts he caught a lot of shit so he didn’t want to do that, but he did it anyway. It shows he isn’t polished enough to speak publicly without falling for the same journalism tactics that get other people stories in the news.

You’re right though, everyone acting like the world knows or cares what a rack pull is and those bitching because of form are being retarded.

Professor_X · October 6, 2010, 5:07pm

[quote]DieselAllDay wrote:
the guy straight up lies in the middle of the video, he distinctly says: “I never look at myself in the mirror”, I mean, is it just me, or is he not walking around shirtless and flexing constantly (first vid)[/quote]

Do you take all things this literally?

If I say I don’t eat cookies…and you find one Thanksgiving in 2001 where I ate a cookie, I am obviously lying, right?

Some of you seem to have lost basic comprehension of speech just to call someone out.

It isn’t a good look.

Polumbo even noted that he usually wears HUGE sweat shirts when he lifts but that he took his shirt off for the camera.

Stop being retarded.

Professor_X · October 6, 2010, 5:05pm

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
we’ve seen this stuff time and time again. there ARE standards across the board for lifts like squats, deads, bench press and overhead pressing. everyone knows what they are but many will argue otherwise just to be difficult. full ROM is expected and when it’s not there it’s obviously to everyone.

i can’t believe these debats go on forever. it’s either full ROM or a partial lift regardless of what you are doing it for.

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Most pro bodybuilders use partial lifts. No one would even be able to discuss what they are doing in the gym if the only thing that counted was some lift by powerlifting judge standards.

This is bodybuilding. No one gives a shit if it is a partial lift if the guy doing it has gained more muscle than any of the people talking shit.

It obviously works for him and therefore should not be changed. It should also be common sense that powerlifting judgements should remain IN POWERLIFTING AND OUTSIDE OF BODYBUILDING.

Professor_X · October 6, 2010, 5:09pm

[quote]mr popular wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]mr popular wrote:
I get the impression that you all think he meant he was deadlifting 1000lbs with a full range of motion, from the floor to lockout, which is mind-blowingly retarded if you’ve watched any of his videos.

The guy believes 100% in PARTIAL RANGE OF MOTION lifting. He said he had 10 plates a side, and then hung two in the middle from a chain… Imagine how that would work pulling from the floor…

Obviously he was doing some kind of rack pull, and knowing him it wasn’t more than 5-10 inches of ROM. The guy is Haitian too, and you can clearly hear in the interview that there are some language barriers.

Some of you are pretty stupid sometimes, you know that?[/quote]

There’s an exercise called a Rack Pull. He said deadlift. And yes, PLers hang chains and all sorts of things from the bar when DLing, I don’t see how him mentioned attaching plates to bar magically makes it impossible that he is referring to a full ROM deadlift.

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This is retarded. I didn’t even know what a “rack pull” is. I had never even heard the term before maybe a year ago on this website because I don’t hear anyone else using that term in gyms I’ve trained at. Why? Because I don’t power lift or follow powerlifting at all or care to know what that term means. I looked it up on youtube and before now would have called that a deadlift as well only in a power cage.

This guy is a foreigner who doesn’t even speak English clearly and you are being this strict with a game of semantics.

It’s good to know you care this much about the man’s speech.[/quote]

Not my fault he’s been in the US for over 20 years, still isn’t a US citizen and can’t speak english well.

As if being able to articulate your thoughts is not valued in society, HAH!

P.S. Consider this a social experiment X. See, you’ve never jumped to the defense of a white bodybuilder (I mean, ever lol), so I wanted to see if you would be all about defending Max Charles even given his ridiculous claims. Rest assured when a white BBer pops up that claims some things in the same way Max does (ridiculous lifts, no proof) I’ll be looking for you to defend him just the same ;)[/quote]

Although you seem to be missing the point a lot, I do agree that Professor X is sort of racist and does only seem to defend black people 99% of the time. LOL[/quote]

Wait, please point out the guy who isn’t black who catches as much shit as Kai and Max Charles.

Just one.

If people were calling Jay Cutler a LIAR because he said he benches 500lbs but some jackass claims it isn’t full range of motion and doesn’t count, you can bet i would say the exact same shit.

But that isn’t happening.

maraudermeat · October 6, 2010, 5:16pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
we’ve seen this stuff time and time again. there ARE standards across the board for lifts like squats, deads, bench press and overhead pressing. everyone knows what they are but many will argue otherwise just to be difficult. full ROM is expected and when it’s not there it’s obviously to everyone.

i can’t believe these debats go on forever. it’s either full ROM or a partial lift regardless of what you are doing it for.

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Most pro bodybuilders use partial lifts. No one would even be able to discuss what they are doing in the gym if the only thing that counted was some lift by powerlifting judge standards.

This is bodybuilding. No one gives a shit if it is a partial lift if the guy doing it has gained more muscle than any of the people talking shit.

It obviously works for him and therefore should not be changed. It should also be common sense that powerlifting judgements should remain IN POWERLIFTING AND OUTSIDE OF BODYBUILDING.[/quote]

i ain’t scared of your post count X LOL

it’s because i’m white…isn’t it?? LOL

I’m not going to argue with you. what i said is common sense and to argue otherwise IS retarded.

Professor_X · October 6, 2010, 5:19pm

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
we’ve seen this stuff time and time again. there ARE standards across the board for lifts like squats, deads, bench press and overhead pressing. everyone knows what they are but many will argue otherwise just to be difficult. full ROM is expected and when it’s not there it’s obviously to everyone.

i can’t believe these debats go on forever. it’s either full ROM or a partial lift regardless of what you are doing it for.

[/quote]

Most pro bodybuilders use partial lifts. No one would even be able to discuss what they are doing in the gym if the only thing that counted was some lift by powerlifting judge standards.

This is bodybuilding. No one gives a shit if it is a partial lift if the guy doing it has gained more muscle than any of the people talking shit.

It obviously works for him and therefore should not be changed. It should also be common sense that powerlifting judgements should remain IN POWERLIFTING AND OUTSIDE OF BODYBUILDING.[/quote]

i ain’t scared of your post count X LOL

it’s because i’m white…isn’t it?? LOL

I’m not going to argue with you. what i said is common sense and to argue otherwise IS retarded.
[/quote]

I am arguing because if I say I am doing an overhead press with a certain amount of weight and you come along bitching that it is a “partial rep” I am going to say “who the fuck cares because those partial reps are why my shoulders are this big”.

Get it?

No one gives a shit about textbook powerlifting form in bodybuilding because the GOAL is to build big muscles, not win a powerlifting comp.

Understand?

BONEZ217 · October 6, 2010, 5:55pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
we’ve seen this stuff time and time again. there ARE standards across the board for lifts like squats, deads, bench press and overhead pressing. everyone knows what they are but many will argue otherwise just to be difficult. full ROM is expected and when it’s not there it’s obviously to everyone.

i can’t believe these debats go on forever. it’s either full ROM or a partial lift regardless of what you are doing it for.

[/quote]

Most pro bodybuilders use partial lifts. No one would even be able to discuss what they are doing in the gym if the only thing that counted was some lift by powerlifting judge standards.

This is bodybuilding. No one gives a shit if it is a partial lift if the guy doing it has gained more muscle than any of the people talking shit.

It obviously works for him and therefore should not be changed. It should also be common sense that powerlifting judgements should remain IN POWERLIFTING AND OUTSIDE OF BODYBUILDING.[/quote]

i ain’t scared of your post count X LOL

it’s because i’m white…isn’t it?? LOL

I’m not going to argue with you. what i said is common sense and to argue otherwise IS retarded.
[/quote]

I am arguing because if I say I am doing an overhead press with a certain amount of weight and you come along bitching that it is a “partial rep” I am going to say “who the fuck cares because those partial reps are why my shoulders are this big”.

Get it?

No one gives a shit about textbook powerlifting form in bodybuilding because the GOAL is to build big muscles, not win a powerlifting comp.

Understand?[/quote]

Overhead press isnt a universally accepted term like ‘bench press’ ‘squat’ and ‘deadlift’. A ‘squat’ means bar on the back unless stated otherwise i.e. front squat. A deadlift is a pull from the floor unless stated otherwise i.e. rack pull, pin pull etc.

Understand?

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO BUILDS BIGGER MUSCLES.

EDIT !!!

This is why it matters. When someone asks you “how much you curl?” you have two options for an answer. “The weight doesnt matter much as long at is goes up regularly” or “I curl X pounds for Y reps”. The second response opens up the converstaion to the question of strength. Answering that way takes the focus completely away from the size of the person. You cant say “I lift 200lbs” and then say “No, no it doesnt have to be the same way you picuture it being lifted.”

OF COURSE IT DOES. Thats the whole point of discussing the amount of weight in the first place. No one acutally gives a shit what Max CHarles can lift. He can lift 3 donkeys stacked on top of each other for all I care. I want to know I can lift 3 donkeys the same way or not.

I may as well rent a Caterpillar Backhoe and rip over 9000lbs off the ground and call it a deadlift. Even though its clearly a “machine assisted partial ROM pull”

Professor_X · October 6, 2010, 5:28pm

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

Overhead press isnt a universally accepted term like ‘bench press’ ‘squat’ and ‘deadlift’. A ‘squat’ means bar on the back unless stated otherwise i.e. front squat. A deadlift is a pull from the floor unless stated otherwise i.e. rack pull, pin pull etc.

Understand?

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO BUILDS BIGGER MUSCLES. [/quote]

Who cares? I didn’t know what a rack pull is. I do now. It still doesn’t matter. I also know most people don’t know or care so acting like he LIED because he said deadlift when he meant rack pull is retarded.

Just correct him and move on.

maraudermeat · October 6, 2010, 5:29pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
we’ve seen this stuff time and time again. there ARE standards across the board for lifts like squats, deads, bench press and overhead pressing. everyone knows what they are but many will argue otherwise just to be difficult. full ROM is expected and when it’s not there it’s obviously to everyone.

i can’t believe these debats go on forever. it’s either full ROM or a partial lift regardless of what you are doing it for.

[/quote]

Most pro bodybuilders use partial lifts. No one would even be able to discuss what they are doing in the gym if the only thing that counted was some lift by powerlifting judge standards.

This is bodybuilding. No one gives a shit if it is a partial lift if the guy doing it has gained more muscle than any of the people talking shit.

It obviously works for him and therefore should not be changed. It should also be common sense that powerlifting judgements should remain IN POWERLIFTING AND OUTSIDE OF BODYBUILDING.[/quote]

i ain’t scared of your post count X LOL

it’s because i’m white…isn’t it?? LOL

I’m not going to argue with you. what i said is common sense and to argue otherwise IS retarded.
[/quote]

I am arguing because if I say I am doing an overhead press with a certain amount of weight and you come along bitching that it is a “partial rep” I am going to say “who the fuck cares because those partial reps are why my shoulders are this big”.

Get it?

No one gives a shit about textbook powerlifting form in bodybuilding because the GOAL is to build big muscles, not win a powerlifting comp.

Understand?[/quote]

i can’t believe i let myself get sucked into this useless shit…

this is the last i’m going to say about this crap-

i don’t care what got you or anyone else as big as they are. he could jerk off with 45lb plates strapped to his forearms for all i care if that gets him bigger.

the point is if anyone, regardless of what the fuck they do, says they can deadlift 1000 plus for reps it better actually be a fucking deadlift and not some 3 inch ROM in a rack somewhere. that’s just common sense. any douchebag on youtube seeing a video title saying “deadlift 1000lb for reps” is going to expect to see someone picking up 1000+ off the ground and if they don’t see that, there’s going to be a shitstorm of comments a mile long on why it isn’t a deadlift. these aren’t “experts” or powerlifters. these are just people that actually saw someone do a deadlift at some point in time. those poeple aren’t going to say-“well… he’s pretty fucking big, so we will just let that be called a deadlift then” that makes no fucking sense at all.

i actually feel dumber now…thanks.

BONEZ217 · October 6, 2010, 5:58pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

Overhead press isnt a universally accepted term like ‘bench press’ ‘squat’ and ‘deadlift’. A ‘squat’ means bar on the back unless stated otherwise i.e. front squat. A deadlift is a pull from the floor unless stated otherwise i.e. rack pull, pin pull etc.

Understand?

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO BUILDS BIGGER MUSCLES. [/quote]

Who cares? I didn’t know what a rack pull is. I do now. It still doesn’t matter. I also know most people don’t know or care so acting like he LIED because he said deadlift when he meant rack pull is retarded.

Just correct him and move on.[/quote]

I edited my post as you were typing this.

Edit

My first edit apparently got eaten. Thats a shame too because it was wittier and I made clearer points in it. Oh well

WhiteFlash · October 6, 2010, 5:49pm

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]waylanderxx wrote:

[quote]mr popular wrote:
I get the impression that you all think he meant he was deadlifting 1000lbs with a full range of motion, from the floor to lockout, which is mind-blowingly retarded if you’ve watched any of his videos.

The guy believes 100% in PARTIAL RANGE OF MOTION lifting. He said he had 10 plates a side, and then hung two in the middle from a chain… Imagine how that would work pulling from the floor…

Obviously he was doing some kind of rack pull, and knowing him it wasn’t more than 5-10 inches of ROM. The guy is Haitian too, and you can clearly hear in the interview that there are some language barriers.

Some of you are pretty stupid sometimes, you know that?[/quote]

There’s an exercise called a Rack Pull. He said deadlift. And yes, PLers hang chains and all sorts of things from the bar when DLing, I don’t see how him mentioned attaching plates to bar magically makes it impossible that he is referring to a full ROM deadlift.

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This is retarded. I didn’t even know what a “rack pull” is. I had never even heard the term before maybe a year ago on this website because I don’t hear anyone else using that term in gyms I’ve trained at. Why? Because I don’t power lift or follow powerlifting at all or care to know what that term means. I looked it up on youtube and before now would have called that a deadlift as well only in a power cage.

This guy is a foreigner who doesn’t even speak English clearly and you are being this strict with a game of semantics.

It’s good to know you care this much about the man’s speech.[/quote]

Not my fault he’s been in the US for over 20 years, still isn’t a US citizen and can’t speak english well.

As if being able to articulate your thoughts is not valued in society, HAH!

P.S. Consider this a social experiment X. See, you’ve never jumped to the defense of a white bodybuilder (I mean, ever lol), so I wanted to see if you would be all about defending Max Charles even given his ridiculous claims. Rest assured when a white BBer pops up that claims some things in the same way Max does (ridiculous lifts, no proof) I’ll be looking for you to defend him just the same ;)[/quote]

I made this exact claim in this very thread but my post was deleted. I’ve actually made that comment several times over the years. Let’s see if this one sticks. PX can’t seem to hide his boner for black bodybuilders. NTTAWWT.

Professor_X · October 6, 2010, 5:55pm

Whiteflash, I didn’t erase your post. The other MODs did. Apparently, I am not the only person who can see what you are all about.

Professor_X · October 6, 2010, 6:03pm

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
we’ve seen this stuff time and time again. there ARE standards across the board for lifts like squats, deads, bench press and overhead pressing. everyone knows what they are but many will argue otherwise just to be difficult. full ROM is expected and when it’s not there it’s obviously to everyone.

i can’t believe these debats go on forever. it’s either full ROM or a partial lift regardless of what you are doing it for.

[/quote]

Most pro bodybuilders use partial lifts. No one would even be able to discuss what they are doing in the gym if the only thing that counted was some lift by powerlifting judge standards.

This is bodybuilding. No one gives a shit if it is a partial lift if the guy doing it has gained more muscle than any of the people talking shit.

It obviously works for him and therefore should not be changed. It should also be common sense that powerlifting judgements should remain IN POWERLIFTING AND OUTSIDE OF BODYBUILDING.[/quote]

i ain’t scared of your post count X LOL

it’s because i’m white…isn’t it?? LOL

I’m not going to argue with you. what i said is common sense and to argue otherwise IS retarded.
[/quote]

I am arguing because if I say I am doing an overhead press with a certain amount of weight and you come along bitching that it is a “partial rep” I am going to say “who the fuck cares because those partial reps are why my shoulders are this big”.

Get it?

No one gives a shit about textbook powerlifting form in bodybuilding because the GOAL is to build big muscles, not win a powerlifting comp.

Understand?[/quote]

i can’t believe i let myself get sucked into this useless shit…

this is the last i’m going to say about this crap-

i don’t care what got you or anyone else as big as they are. he could jerk off with 45lb plates strapped to his forearms for all i care if that gets him bigger.

the point is if anyone, regardless of what the fuck they do, says they can deadlift 1000 plus for reps it better actually be a fucking deadlift and not some 3 inch ROM in a rack somewhere. that’s just common sense. any douchebag on youtube seeing a video title saying “deadlift 1000lb for reps” is going to expect to see someone picking up 1000+ off the ground and if they don’t see that, there’s going to be a shitstorm of comments a mile long on why it isn’t a deadlift. these aren’t “experts” or powerlifters. these are just people that actually saw someone do a deadlift at some point in time. those poeple aren’t going to say-“well… he’s pretty fucking big, so we will just let that be called a deadlift then” that makes no fucking sense at all.

i actually feel dumber now…thanks.
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You didn’t need any help from me with that.

This is not powerlifting. According to you, there is no way I can even discuss my training in relation to weight used because I am not lifting by powerlifting standards.

Why is anyone in bodybuilding caring about how strict a lift is done when that isn’t the goal?

He does partial reps. Polumbo said this and Charles said this…so why is everyone else making this an issue?

MOST of my lifts may count as “partial reps”. That doesn’t mean they don’t count or that I should never speak about the weight I use for fear of some jackass saying it doesn’t count as a real lift.

If someone is that big, what they are dong WORKS and that is ALL that matters.

waylanderxx · October 6, 2010, 6:06pm