[quote]Undone wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
fightu35 wrote:
ok got my results today…test levels come tomorrow…
ESTRADIOL WAS 45 high… ref 12-41 !! this dr. said he will give me antis…anythnig i should say,or ask for he seems to listen ??
Arimidex.
I’m going back to shots. Pellets were not worth it.
KSMan, right again, as always.
Unfortunate that it did not work for you. Perhaps you got a doc with little experience. I have used the pellets for 2 1/2 years with great results. Implants every 6 months cut down on the inconvenience and expense. A lot of people who have never tried them criticize them. Just like every other protocol, it may not be optimal for everyone but it has worked extremely well for me.
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well worked as far as what ? raising my levels yes…to 979,but I feel no diferent from when there were 198,yes 198… ive felt no difference in me,with gel,inject nor peletts,at 1st with injects i did,but faded out in a few months,well i get acne !! so thats good,thanks for the reply
[quote]KSman wrote:
you may have dopamine issues that are holding you down. Dopamine problems can result from long term use of ephedra and other stimulants.
Yes, either from diminished production or lost/damaged dopamine receptors. We all have dopamine losses as we age and come changes of aging are from these changes. The rate of these losses varies from person to person and with use of stimulants and other drugs. The drugs that I described can improve one’s life if there is a dopamine problem. There really is nothing that will address this question other than some trail doses to see how you respond. If you feel a lot better and your symptoms and TRT non-response issues are reduced, that is diagnostic. So now you have indications that you could be having dopamine issues and only some drug trials will settle this.
Remember that prolactin and dopamine levels are linked. If prolactin is elevated, dopamine will be lower. That is a normal relationship. But if the dopamine system is damaged or aged to a point of dysfunction, then prolactin can easily not be a causative factor. Drugs that lower prolactin do so by increasing dopamine and these drugs can be very beneficial as AD meds. You might think that you are not depressed, but low dopamine status is a form of depression that takes away ones joy, satisfaction and sense of well-being.
Try those drugs. Nothing ventured… nothing gained.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Yes, either from diminished production or lost/damaged dopamine receptors. We all have dopamine losses as we age and come changes of aging are from these changes. The rate of these losses varies from person to person and with use of stimulants and other drugs. The drugs that I described can improve one’s life if there is a dopamine problem. There really is nothing that will address this question other than some trail doses to see how you respond. If you feel a lot better and your symptoms and TRT non-response issues are reduced, that is diagnostic. So now you have indications that you could be having dopamine issues and only some drug trials will settle this.
Remember that prolactin and dopamine levels are linked. If prolactin is elevated, dopamine will be lower. That is a normal relationship. But if the dopamine system is damaged or aged to a point of dysfunction, then prolactin can easily not be a causative factor. Drugs that lower prolactin do so by increasing dopamine and these drugs can be very beneficial as AD meds. You might think that you are not depressed, but low dopamine status is a form of depression that takes away ones joy, satisfaction and sense of well-being.
Try those drugs. Nothing ventured… nothing gained.[/quote]
thank you very much,a few months back im sure I had my prolactin levels checked,Ill find them,
also keep in mind ive taken EPHEDRA for over 12 yrs straight,some times months in a row,double strength 2x a day, ive used HOT-ROX & EPHEDRA MIXED…SPIKE, mixed, liguid,REDLINE is what I use right now daily,…ill look into my levels and get back to you, was it you who said before getting hit in the head for yrs could be a factor…lol
[quote]KSman wrote:
Many on TRT have had their life greatly improved with AIs. Nothing to dispute there. If it does not work your you, you may have dopamine issues that are holding you down. Dopamine problems can result from long term use of ephedra and other stimulants. You can try trials of trazodone at night [also helps one sleep], deprenyl/seleginine 5-10 mg/week, cabergoline 0.5 - 1.0 mg/week. These can be combined, which will require less of each. Wellbutrin can be effective for some, but some find it overly stimulating. In my case that eventually left me feeling exhausted.
Serum E2=45pg/ml would be expected by most to greatly limit ones libido and mental state. Try 1.0mg/wk adex in EOD dosing. You will have some results in 10-14 days. Get E2 near 22 and then if that does not float your boat, you will be positioned to feel the effects of dopergenic drug trials.
OK sir you win,sure I almost chocked my dr. but he got me on ARIMIDEX, 1st he said 1.5mg a day…I said a lil to much no…then he said 1.5 3 days a week,he called it in,I will pick it up in a bit,but he will change it…last week my scores E2 45 test 970… so start with EOD ? how much… cant thank you enough,sure I had to drill him,and todl him,no,not all dr’s are smart,the challenge I made was,when my E2 is low 20’s ,then will see…he had no prob at all ,saying,'you know your body better then anyone,should I take same time ? every time I take it ? am/pm ? look forward to starting…THANKS AGAIN,because of you,I did not let him talk me out of it.
What are your DHEA-S levels?
What is your thyroid status?[/quote]
[quote]KSman wrote:
Many on TRT have had their life greatly improved with AIs. Nothing to dispute there. If it does not work your you, you may have dopamine issues that are holding you down. Dopamine problems can result from long term use of ephedra and other stimulants. You can try trials of trazodone at night [also helps one sleep], deprenyl/seleginine 5-10 mg/week, cabergoline 0.5 - 1.0 mg/week. These can be combined, which will require less of each. Wellbutrin can be effective for some, but some find it overly stimulating. In my case that eventually left me feeling exhausted.
Serum E2=45pg/ml would be expected by most to greatly limit ones libido and mental state. Try 1.0mg/wk adex in EOD dosing. You will have some results in 10-14 days. Get E2 near 22 and then if that does not float your boat, you will be positioned to feel the effects of dopergenic drug trials.
OK sir you win,sure I almost chocked my dr. but he got me on ARIMIDEX, 1st he said 1.5mg a day…I said a lil to much no…then he said 1.5 3 days a week,he called it in,I will pick it up in a bit,but he will change it…last week my scores E2 45 test 970… so start with EOD ? how much… cant thank you enough,sure I had to drill him,and todl him,no,not all dr’s are smart,the challenge I made was,when my E2 is low 20’s ,then will see…he had no prob at all ,saying,'you know your body better then anyone,should I take same time ? every time I take it ? am/pm ? look forward to starting…THANKS AGAIN,because of you,I did not let him talk me out of it.
1.5mg/week in EOD doses is .43mg EOD. That is easy to do with liquid adex, hard to do with tablets. You can take .5mg three times per week. The longer half life will smooth things out. Take any time of day with or without food. You will do something like Monday, Wednesday, Saturday.
If you need a more later on after lab work, .5mg EOD would be 1.75/week.
Don’t worry about getting this exact as your T levels will not be exactly the same month to month.
If you are really feeling great at some point, ask for lab work so you know what serum E2 you had at that point in time.
[quote]KSman wrote:
1.5mg/week in EOD doses is .43mg EOD. That is easy to do with liquid adex, hard to do with tablets. You can take .5mg three times per week. The longer half life will smooth things out. Take any time of day with or without food. You will do something like Monday, Wednesday, Saturday.
If you need a more later on after lab work, .5mg EOD would be 1.75/week.
Don’t worry about getting this exact as your T levels will not be exactly the same month to month.
If you are really feeling great at some point, ask for lab work so you know what serum E2 you had at that point in time.[/quote]
OK 1st off they are so small,gonna be hard to split them…and 2nd hes slick,he gave me RX for 3 tabs a week, till my next app. with him,so I f say its not working…he will stop,and hes gonna test my E2…so you think 3mg a week is 2 much,what about 2 tabs a week ? or is that not consistent enough ? I saw what they billed my insurance for 12 tabs ,wow !! he gave me 3 tabs a week for 4 weeks…as always thank you…
[quote]KSman wrote:
You need to take what you need to take and nothing else. Get liquid anastrozole.[/quote]
my Arimidex is free…so not sure id rather pay for it ,and risk getting liguid by other means,so I try to split the pills…[/quote]
Taking too much is as bad as taking to little. I almost gave up lifting weights because of joint pain when I was taking too much.[/quote]
I have read that alot,to much is as bad as too little,the prob is there are so many opinons,as we know Ksman knows his stuff,but Ive read and was told from long time users ,you do not need antisd,if taking less then 500 grams a week,not 1 ,but 4 dr’s todl me my E2 is high cause i was heavy,not heavy cause E2 was high…lol,but I have an RX now…so look forwars to trying it
as some dr’s around here and it always,some dont…
[quote]KSman wrote:
1.5mg/week in EOD doses is .43mg EOD. That is easy to do with liquid adex, hard to do with tablets. You can take .5mg three times per week. The longer half life will smooth things out. Take any time of day with or without food. You will do something like Monday, Wednesday, Saturday.
If you need a more later on after lab work, .5mg EOD would be 1.75/week.
Don’t worry about getting this exact as your T levels will not be exactly the same month to month.
If you are really feeling great at some point, ask for lab work so you know what serum E2 you had at that point in time.[/quote]
Ok I started Monday with .5 3x a week…how long before I Should get blood drawn ?
I can get blood tests when I want them,so Im gonna go before my dr,hes looking for a reason to prove me wrong,so if the E2 is not lower,and I claim I feel better by my next app. he will stop it…so i dont wont to go back and my E2 is still 40’s or high 30’s so I will test it 1st…
thanks very much
[quote]KSman wrote:
Do not take advice/BS from gym rats cycling gear. You need to take lessons from what is known about guys on long term TRT dosing.
Some have dissolved adex tabs in alcohol and dispense that. You can use vodka.[/quote]
huh ?? Ive asked only you…and have done what you said…
not sure where that is comming from,
so if you could tell me,how long before I should get blood work ?
Ive taken M,and W so far… .5
I was responding to:
“but Ive read and was told from long time users ,you do not need antisd,if taking less then 500 grams a week”
Wait until you feel some benefits. These can take A while [1-2 months] to develop as gene expression and brain patterns are changing. Then get tested and have some idea about how you feel and the E2 number that got you there. You can see most of the E2 changes in 2-3 weeks. Many feel big changes in 10-14 days, but that is just the start.
How you feel is also tied up in your dopamine status.
[quote]KSman wrote:
I was responding to:
“but Ive read and was told from long time users ,you do not need antisd,if taking less then 500 grams a week”
Wait until you feel some benefits. These can take A while [1-2 months] to develop as gene expression and brain patterns are changing. Then get tested and have some idea about how you feel and the E2 number that got you there. You can see most of the E2 changes in 2-3 weeks. Many feel big changes in 10-14 days, but that is just the start.
How you feel is also tied up in your dopamine status.[/quote]
great thank you,so Ill tell the dr, its not enough time,but I feel better
the DOPAMINE have not started that yet,is there a test for that ?
There are some dopamine tests, but I do not think that they would be very useful. The best diagnostic is a trial of a dopergenic drug and your own observations. Cheaper than labs and very specific to you.