so far I hate it…you can feel them way to much,still hurts…maybe casue 10 at once was to much…I want them out…ill go back to inject ! lol
Just wait. Take Naproxin.
the pain is past no biggie at all…I hate the feeling…like haivng rocks under ya skin…I will not prob do it again…2 weeks are my 1st blood tests…ill let you know(10 was put in)
Where did they put the pellets?
After a slight elevation of mood, I crashed pretty badly. I began applying Andogel again and feel somewhat better, though not as well as pre-pellet.
4 pellets is probably not nearly enough. I will consider the twice/week injects. The trouble is that I’ve yet to find a TRT doc who would agree to that, along with Arim.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Where did they put the pellets?[/quote]
i got 10 peletts…umm…right azz cheek, middle about half way down…a lil better today,I dont notice to much…
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
After a slight elevation of mood, I crashed pretty badly. I began applying Andogel again and feel somewhat better, though not as well as pre-pellet.
4 pellets is probably not nearly enough. I will consider the twice/week injects. The trouble is that I’ve yet to find a TRT doc who would agree to that, along with Arim. [/quote]
sucks that you did not get full relief…but not surprising at all. While pellets look good on paper, at least your doctors paper, in reality most are disapointed. As far as injection frequency, what does it matter what your doctor prescribes as far as frequency? if you are doing the injections, and he prescribes 100mg per week, just split it up, backload insulin pins and use your own schedule. if he is doing injections…well that just sucks.
[quote]morepain wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
After a slight elevation of mood, I crashed pretty badly. I began applying Andogel again and feel somewhat better, though not as well as pre-pellet.
4 pellets is probably not nearly enough. I will consider the twice/week injects. The trouble is that I’ve yet to find a TRT doc who would agree to that, along with Arim.
sucks that you did not get full relief…but not surprising at all. While pellets look good on paper, at least your doctors paper, in reality most are disapointed. As far as injection frequency, what does it matter what your doctor prescribes as far as frequency? if you are doing the injections, and he prescribes 100mg per week, just split it up, backload insulin pins and use your own schedule. if he is doing injections…well that just sucks.
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you use insulin pins also ?? Ive to talk to anyone who can say for sure that TRT with insulin pins has gone up…and stayed up…this works for you ??
Agreed! If self injecting, injection details are in your control.
What do you suggest “backload insulin pins”? Many are directly loading #29, 0.5ml[50iui], 0.5" insulin needles. Slow to load, hang the needle from a supported vial and come back in a few minutes. The current house brand at Walmart & Sam’s have a longer barrel and smaller piston, injection time is reduced. And they seem to load better which suggests that the needle inside diameter is bigger than the prior product. Backloading is one more step that can introduce contamination. Do not use 1ml syringes!
[quote]KSman wrote:
Agreed! If self injecting, injection details are in your control.
What do you suggest “backload insulin pins”? Many are directly loading #29, 0.5ml[50iui], 0.5" insulin needles. Slow to load, hang the needle from a supported vial and come back in a few minutes. The current house brand at Walmart & Sam’s have a longer barrel and smaller piston, injection time is reduced. And they seem to load better which suggests that the needle inside diameter is bigger than the prior product. Backloading is one more step that can introduce contamination. Do not use 1ml syringes![/quote]
all very true and i have done just that…just my lack of patience i guess…your method is ceratinly safer in reality. But after 20 years of steroid abuse doing crap you would not believe, backloading my pins seems pretty inconsequential, LOL.
[quote]fightu35 wrote:
morepain wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
After a slight elevation of mood, I crashed pretty badly. I began applying Andogel again and feel somewhat better, though not as well as pre-pellet.
4 pellets is probably not nearly enough. I will consider the twice/week injects. The trouble is that I’ve yet to find a TRT doc who would agree to that, along with Arim.
sucks that you did not get full relief…but not surprising at all. While pellets look good on paper, at least your doctors paper, in reality most are disapointed. As far as injection frequency, what does it matter what your doctor prescribes as far as frequency? if you are doing the injections, and he prescribes 100mg per week, just split it up, backload insulin pins and use your own schedule. if he is doing injections…well that just sucks.
you use insulin pins also ?? Ive to talk to anyone who can say for sure that TRT with insulin pins has gone up…and stayed up…this works for you ??[/quote]
yes…most have gone to this especially using proper protocol. what i mean by this is if you are injecting small amounts frequently it makes much more sense to use a small pin with more exact graduations, not to mention of course being pain free. Some are even using sub-q protocol, myself i still prefer to hit a thin skinned area, usually quads where i know a 1/2" or 5/8" pin still easily reaches muscle tissue.
ok got my results today…test levels come tomorrow…
ESTRADIOL WAS 45 high… ref 12-41 !! this dr. said he will give me antis…anythnig i should say,or ask for he seems to listen ??
[quote]fightu35 wrote:
ok got my results today…test levels come tomorrow…
ESTRADIOL WAS 45 high… ref 12-41 !! this dr. said he will give me antis…anythnig i should say,or ask for he seems to listen ??[/quote]
Arimidex.
I’m going back to shots. Pellets were not worth it.
KSMan, right again, as always.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
fightu35 wrote:
ok got my results today…test levels come tomorrow…
ESTRADIOL WAS 45 high… ref 12-41 !! this dr. said he will give me antis…anythnig i should say,or ask for he seems to listen ??
Arimidex.
I’m going back to shots. Pellets were not worth it.
KSMan, right again, as always.
MY test results will be here friday or sat…but Im all set with bumps in my azz,ya can def tell there there…and feel them…i still have my RX for shots…so back I go…or should I use both dr’s and get both !
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Double scripting schedule III drugs…
[quote]KSman wrote:
Double scripting schedule III drugs…[/quote]
was just a thought,my insurance just paid for the pellets,the office visit,and putting them in,Im sure thats costly…2 weeks later they just approved a 6 month RX for TEST…they will only do 6 months at a time…
ok after trying gels,inject,now peletts,and reading many.many,posts,message boards,books,I have 1 question ? where is all the joy,strenght,libido,sex drive,better this,better that,my levels been over 700 for months,and since the peletts,its as follows
TEST SERUM–979 REF (350-1030)
BIOAVAILIBLE TEST SERUM–743 REF (128-430)
BIOAVAILIBLE % – 75.9% NO REF
SHBG serum – 17 REF (20-60)
THE 1ST MONTH AFTER STARING INJECTS I felt huge pumps got very strong,slept a lil better
but also got bloat and put on weight,ansd like with all 3 acne,now with no disrespect to anyone
here,most say oh,I know why you need ADEX !! but ive yet to see anyone say hey,im on test,feel like shit,bam took ADEX im sumperman !! (my ESTRA was 45 REF (12-41) so yes im gonna play the game,and take antis…and find out once and for all…at this point I mine as well sell my 7 boxes of ANDROGEL, 5 bottles of TEST,and years worth of RX’S …but ill wait and play the ANTI game,maybe Ill be wrong,but 3 dr’s all have said antis will not turn this all around ,even the dr who 100% on board with HCG & ANTI although im not on any yet,Iwill call him,today,but he warned me,if I keep saying its not working,he will take me of test…thanks guys
Many on TRT have had their life greatly improved with AIs. Nothing to dispute there. If it does not work your you, you may have dopamine issues that are holding you down. Dopamine problems can result from long term use of ephedra and other stimulants. You can try trials of trazodone at night [also helps one sleep], deprenyl/seleginine 5-10 mg/week, cabergoline 0.5 - 1.0 mg/week. These can be combined, which will require less of each. Wellbutrin can be effective for some, but some find it overly stimulating. In my case that eventually left me feeling exhausted.
Serum E2=45pg/ml would be expected by most to greatly limit ones libido and mental state. Try 1.0mg/wk adex in EOD dosing. You will have some results in 10-14 days. Get E2 near 22 and then if that does not float your boat, you will be positioned to feel the effects of dopergenic drug trials.
What are your DHEA-S levels?
What is your thyroid status?
[quote]KSman wrote:
Many on TRT have had their life greatly improved with AIs. Nothing to dispute there. If it does not work your you, you may have dopamine issues that are holding you down. Dopamine problems can result from long term use of ephedra and other stimulants. You can try trials of trazodone at night [also helps one sleep], deprenyl/seleginine 5-10 mg/week, cabergoline 0.5 - 1.0 mg/week. These can be combined, which will require less of each. Wellbutrin can be effective for some, but some find it overly stimulating. In my case that eventually left me feeling exhausted.
Serum E2=45pg/ml would be expected by most to greatly limit ones libido and mental state. Try 1.0mg/wk adex in EOD dosing. You will have some results in 10-14 days. Get E2 near 22 and then if that does not float your boat, you will be positioned to feel the effects of dopergenic drug trials.
What are your DHEA-S levels?
What is your thyroid status?[/quote]
thank you very much,at last test ,keep in mind I have GRAVES DISEASE,cant find them right now,but T3 normal,and my GRAVES was…so the dr says…i will for sure get on the antis,calling dr today,thanks again,
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
fightu35 wrote:
ok got my results today…test levels come tomorrow…
ESTRADIOL WAS 45 high… ref 12-41 !! this dr. said he will give me antis…anythnig i should say,or ask for he seems to listen ??
Arimidex.
I’m going back to shots. Pellets were not worth it.
KSMan, right again, as always.
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Unfortunate that it did not work for you. Perhaps you got a doc with little experience. I have used the pellets for 2 1/2 years with great results. Implants every 6 months cut down on the inconvenience and expense. A lot of people who have never tried them criticize them. Just like every other protocol, it may not be optimal for everyone but it has worked extremely well for me.